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post Sep 8 2008, 12:34 PM

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Ironic. Rosberg spun, nearly took out Kimi and Lewis when he got back on track without looking and what he get? Nothing, not even a fine.
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post Sep 8 2008, 02:58 PM

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terrible! they seem to be extremely bias on McLaren.. juz like wat Hotwheels did on Ferrari F1 models compared to McLaren F1 models... extremely bias! mad.gif FIA YOU SUCK! but i will still watch F1... sweat.gif
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post Sep 8 2008, 04:13 PM

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what happen to Hotwheels with Ferrari?
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 8 2008, 12:34 PM)
Ironic. Rosberg spun, nearly took out Kimi and Lewis when he got back on track without looking and what he get? Nothing, not even a fine.
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Wasn't that a race incident?
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post Sep 8 2008, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(cristiano7mu @ Sep 8 2008, 04:13 PM)
what happen to Hotwheels with Ferrari?
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Hotwheels has no problem with Ferrari but with other teams... previously the quality of F1 models such as the McLaren, Renault and Williams have poor quality especially the body paint is rough... but for Ferrari models, the body is glossy, more shiny and smooth...

Hotwheels currently confirm their license in producing Ferrari F1 cars ONLY... meaning tat McLaren, Renault and Williams will no longer be in production as F1 models from Hotwheels...
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QUOTE(Jasonist @ Sep 8 2008, 02:58 PM)
terrible! they seem to be extremely bias on McLaren.. juz like wat Hotwheels did on Ferrari F1 models compared to McLaren F1 models... extremely bias! mad.gif FIA YOU SUCK! but i will still watch F1... sweat.gif
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i second that... ferrari always got the advantage vmad.gif
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post Sep 8 2008, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Sep 8 2008, 08:30 PM)
Wasn't that a race incident?
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And lewis wasn't? I mean that was dangerous driving.

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post Sep 8 2008, 11:20 PM

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FIA = Ferrari Intelligence Agency

lol best thing i read at youtube so far laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Sep 10 2008, 07:02 AM

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Ferrari cars are part of FIA. Don't belienve???

Look at their nose, "FIAT" => FIA Team is printed on the nose. Hahaha...
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post Sep 10 2008, 01:05 PM

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I dont know why you guys are so worked up over this. Isnt it well-known that FIA is ferrari's guardian angel? I stopped watching F1 since last year because of all the FIArari-favoring fiasco, but came to know about this incident when I heard it on the radio in monday morning.

I've viewed some replays on youtube, and I can say that the "Lewis-gained-more-momentum-by-cutting-chicane" is total BS. Yeah, he did gain on Kimi coming out the chicane, but he LIFTED. Even the speedtrap at the S/F line shows Hamilton is 6-7kmh slower. If there's any advantages gained earlier, its already been nullified the moment he lifted. Is FIA trying to tell me that by being 6kmh slower, Hamilton's car still has more momentum when both cars are of the same weight?
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post Sep 10 2008, 02:29 PM

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McLaren lodge Belgian GP appeal
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McLaren have lodged an appeal against the punishment that stripped Lewis Hamilton of his Belgian Grand Prix win.

Stewards hit the Englishman with a 25-second penalty, demoting him to third, for cutting a chicane as he battled with Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen.

McLaren said they are appealing on the grounds that Hamilton had immediately ceded the position back to Raikkonen.

"We hereby confirm we have lodged notice of appeal," said McLaren chief executive Martin Whitmarsh.

The appeal has been lodged by the UK's national sporting authority, the Motor Sports Association, with Formula One's governing body the FIA.

There is some debate about whether the rules allow for teams to appeal against a time penalty - but that will be decided by the FIA court of appeal.

Triple world champion Niki Lauda has already described the stewards' decision as "the worst judgement in F1 history".

"It is the most perverted judgement I have ever seen," said the Austrian, who won the title for both Ferrari and McLaren.

"It's absolutely unacceptable when three functionaries (the stewards) influence the championship like this."

After the race, a McLaren spokesman said: "Having passed the lead back to Kimi, Lewis repositioned, moving his car across and behind Kimi to the right-hand line.

"He then outbraked him into the hairpin."

The incident that led to the penalty arrived at the end of lap 42 as the rain Hamilton had been praying for duly arrived.

It allowed F1's wet-weather king to reel in leader Raikkonen and on the approach to the Bus Stop chicane, he had the Finn in his sights.

Hamilton darted around the outside, both drivers locked up their brakes on entry and Hamilton took evasive action by using a run-off area to his left.

The rules say drivers are not allowed to gain an advantage by cutting a chicane.

Returning to the track in the lead, the 23-year-old knew he had to yield his position, otherwise he would have been duly penalised.

Hamilton appeared to do so, with Raikkonen crossing the start-finish line narrowly ahead, before Hamilton dived across the track to the inside and overtook the Ferrari into the La Source hairpin.

But race stewards Nicholas Deschaux, Surinder Thatti and Yves Bacquelaine saw things differently.

The McLaren spokesman had added: "We looked at all our data and also made it available to the FIA stewards.

"It showed that, having lifted [off the accelerator], Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line.

"Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal.

"We are a racing team and we will now focus on Monza (the Italian Grand Prix next Sunday), with a view to extending our lead in the drivers' world championship."

Despite his joy at the apparent win, describing his fight with Raikkonen as "one of the most exciting for a long time", Hamilton perhaps had an inkling as to what might transpire.

"We were still able to race at the next corner and I gave him his spot back and I think it was fair and square."

Hamilton has incurred the wrath of the stewards on other occasions already this season.

Hamilton's first punishment was in the second race of the season in Malaysia, where he and team-mate Heikki Kovalainen were handed five-place grid penalties for impeding other drivers in qualifying.

Hamilton was then demoted 10 places for the French Grand Prix after driving into the back of Raikkonen in the pit lane in the previous race in Canada.

Add the drive-through penalty in Magny-Cours and a 5,000 euros fine for being late to a press conference in Valencia a fortnight ago, and it has been a controversial year for Hamilton.

But win or lose the appeal, he still has a lead going into the final five races of the season.

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 8 2008, 11:20 PM)
FIA = Ferrari Intelligence Agency

lol best thing i read at youtube so far laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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LOLed at Ferrari Intelligence Agency rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Sep 10 2008, 01:05 PM)
I dont know why you guys are so worked up over this. Isnt it well-known that FIA is ferrari's guardian angel? I stopped watching F1 since last year because of all the FIArari-favoring fiasco, but came to know about this incident when I heard it on the radio in monday morning.

I've viewed some replays on youtube, and I can say that the "Lewis-gained-more-momentum-by-cutting-chicane" is total BS. Yeah, he did gain on Kimi coming out the chicane, but he LIFTED. Even the speedtrap at the S/F line shows Hamilton is 6-7kmh slower. If there's any advantages gained earlier, its already been nullified the moment he lifted. Is FIA trying to tell me that by being 6kmh slower, Hamilton's car still has more momentum when both cars are of the same weight?
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If race stewards give the driver who cutting chicane chance then the rest of drivers will follow suit. It is a metter of rules & principles. Hammy thought he was smart but the stewards out smart him.

Do you think if Hammy lifted and braked at the chicane, he could be that close behind Kimi at start-finish line?
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post Sep 11 2008, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(patricktoh @ Sep 10 2008, 09:24 PM)
If race stewards give the driver who cutting chicane chance then the rest of drivers will follow suit. It is a metter of rules & principles. Hammy thought he was smart but the stewards out smart him.

Do you think if Hammy lifted and braked at the chicane, he could be that close behind Kimi at start-finish line?
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Yes, I think they would be damn close. Very close indeed. Had hamilton not cut the chicane and keep stepping on the brakes instead, his tyres would lock, he would not be able to steer in time and crashed into kimi. Now thats "close".
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QUOTE(patricktoh @ Sep 10 2008, 09:24 PM)
If race stewards give the driver who cutting chicane chance then the rest of drivers will follow suit. It is a metter of rules & principles. Hammy thought he was smart but the stewards out smart him.

Do you think if Hammy lifted and braked at the chicane, he could be that close behind Kimi at start-finish line?
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He very well would have been. Maybe even closer than he was. Not to mention at a speed that's faster than Kimi, instead of 6km/h slower.

Lewis' acceleration going out of corners were much much faster than Kimi's, coz his tyres generated way more grip than the Finn's. More heat in the tyres - more grip/traction - faster acceleration - better braking.

It was obvious that Kimi struggled to accelerate coming out of the chicane. And he had comparatively cleaner tyres, as Lewis would have picked up lots of dust/rubble while cutting the chicane. McLarens' superiority in low temperature conditions is mega.
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Obviously nobody ACTUALLY know what will be the case if Hamilton brake instead of cutting the chicane. All your comments are only your prediction or some even biased towards whether you support Ferrari or Hamliton.

Remember it's easier to say than actually doing something. tongue.gif
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post Sep 11 2008, 06:02 PM

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I wonder why Kimi struggle so much in wet, i mean both him and Lewis are on the same tires no?It's not like lewis went off to change his tyre when it rains or something.

Pls pardon me if i'm missing something regarding the tires ya smile.gif
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post Sep 11 2008, 06:35 PM

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Yeah they were both on the same tyres at that point.

But tyre performance vary significantly in changing temperatures. It's well known that the Ferraris are much easier on its tyres compared to the McLarens. When the track temperatures are low like it was in Spa (plus it rained a lil bit near the end, which lowered the temperature even more), the Ferraris would struggle to generate enough heat into their tyres. The McLarens on the other hand, are harder on their tyres, means it was easier for them to keep their tyres in the optimum temperature range, that would enable them to generate as much grip as possible.

On the downside though, being hard on their tyres means the wear rate increases, so on tyre demanding tracks, their tyres would be totally worn out by the end of the stints. And this might have a detrimental effect on their race strategy.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 11 2008, 05:54 PM)
Obviously nobody ACTUALLY know what will be the case if Hamilton brake instead of cutting the chicane. All your comments are only your prediction or some even biased towards whether you support Ferrari or Hamliton.

Remember it's easier to say than actually doing something.  tongue.gif
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see my post and my lovely GIF on this subject on the main F1 thread
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post Sep 11 2008, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 11 2008, 05:54 PM)
Obviously nobody ACTUALLY know what will be the case if Hamilton brake instead of cutting the chicane. All your comments are only your prediction or some even biased towards whether you support Ferrari or Hamliton.

Remember it's easier to say than actually doing something.  tongue.gif
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Come on la kawan. If the condition of the track is dry, I'd agree with you. But the track is WET. WET=bad traction=tyres easily locking up. Is it that hard to "predict" what will happen next if that happens?

Anyway, if he brakes hard and hit the red car, I think everyone knows that there's gonna be some fiasco again simply because in F1 (Ferrari 1), its always about the red car. The red car can do whatever stunts they want and get away with it smile.gif So yeah, avoiding the red car instead of hitting it is a smart choice

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