Firstly, the sole reason why this thread is here is because of the Forum.

When having a forum, you have forumers, you have different people with all walks of life. Hence, different people will share their views or ask questions.

That is the reason of a forum. Like it or not questions like this will pop up once in a while.

You can't do anything because this is a forum. It is as simple as that. Nothing to wonder about.


Hmmm...this thread refers to local malaysian. It has nothing relevant to do with the Japanese as we are not talking about citizenship.

If you are comparing among countries then, I also have some disagreement there. Japan WAS an economic power house in the late 80s and 90s.

Now it isn't. Technologically driven yes, but pricy, over populated.

Anyway, bear in mind. Japanese people are also chinese people, they're language is the ancient language dialect in china.

And don't ever forget about WWII okay, apologies can never cure those been hurt during the war. And ignoring or taking out WWII history of the Japanese from their own history books in their own education indeed shows how they have advance.

Somehow I agree with this statement but I won't put into the generalisation of all english educated girls.

There are some nice ones, no doubt about that.

However, if you notice while they're in their teens of course it will be childish or immature thinking or thoughts.

However, people grow up and some don't. You just need to weed out the bad weeds from the good ones.

This post has been edited by KirklandLee: Dec 12 2008, 06:38 PM

Which is why, the more they do, the more English people could or would retaliate if they found any offensive statements. Vice versa as well. Its obvious the huge differences these two could have spark more patronizing reference over the other not to mention some are really disparaging ones though i admit most of them here comes out from the mouth of an English Ed. But this is not a thread to discuss which is fairly better over the other. Pros and cons are always there, but it is how you actually harmonize between these two, now that's for me its much more interesting to discuss. The only thing i have found interesting about this thread is that i do not learn anything at all, now that's pretty amusing and shocking to me.



We DO can argue with the stereotypes we've listed here, biased or not, and as you've said it, because you found each point based on your observation and experience to be true. But what about others? What about others who think the point isn't true at all? Should we just let all the hating pouring into this thread and sit down let others dissed them. No, most of them will stand up and have some pride to defend what they aren't and what they are. In short, your observation does not necessarily equates to others and that's the reason why this thread still exist to this very day. Because we here kept arguing (positively and negatively) with stereotypes and generalization to the point we here do not where we're heading or talking about.



Put it this way, how do we actually describe a banana? Do we categorize them because of their level of education and language proficiency? Do we describe them because of the friends they hang out with? Or perhaps their family background? Or the chicks the guys hang out with? Regardless, this term 'banana' shouldn't be exist at all. It's true, we need a certain grouping so that we can easily identify them, but sadly, grouping only causes more hating, stereotyping and thinking narrowly towards one another nowadays. Not just english but chinese as well. Guess you ever heard the 'la la', 'ah beng', 'ah seng', term. We're trying so hard to be descriptive to ourselves and yet we forgot how our description might have as well hurt others. That's the flaw i sensed in each of us. Just like you said, natural. Sad isn't it? Which is why if we prolong such argument to find out which one is better over the other based on a certain quality or more as a point of reference, i don't think we are able to reach a conclusion unless there is no conclusion at all.



Sorry dear, but i'm not opting for majority but minority or individuality (easier and fairer) Well, guess your friends have their own agenda and issues for them to handle. I believe when it comes to this, it depends as well on the level of maturity and yeah, perhaps family upbringing and social culture. Whatever it is......good luck to you though



Aren't we all special in our own way? Thus, that's the reason why i believe this thread shouldn't actually exist. And if we think outside the box, how about those malay educated out there. Wait, aren't we all learn to berbahasa?

Besides, i'm proud to rojak three languages together

I like to tease bananas, AND i will lend a hand when it comes to reading mandarin, right kirk ? I see your mandarin is improving ?

I've always wanting to say this 'You have a funny way of quoting people's post

It's alright. You have your style, if i must say.

Yes, im fully aware of such people thus there are reasons why we actually defending and offending over statements some properly and others improperly. Our job here as a forumer if possible, is to make our post sounds properly. No offense. I guess that's the way it supposed to be. If others do it improperly, we could influence or teach or educate them to post properly. How's that sound?

I do acknowledge the 'sad' environment we have here in the forum. But if there is a chance for me to make a proper statement or tell others that their statement is improper, believe me the slightest bit of me will do it. Sorry my friend, i don't just sit down and let it flow naturally. You gotta be contagious once in awhile. True?

At least, im acknowledging the situation here and obviously i want to do something about it. Now that's what forum activity should be.

If forums to you are meant as a mean for discussion, why don't we use forum as a tool to help others as well? Help others to understand better morally and ethically? Critically and analytically as well.



Seriously, i do not know where did you catch my drift here, but i believe when i put japanese into context it means as we are debating, there are others whom are actually better out there? I'm sorry to say if i meant things subtly but i don't think i have intention to make it direct either And im not referring to the Japanese and how are they brought up. In other words, this thread is pointless or perhaps promotes understanding and improvisation to the minimal? I'm referring to harmonization and unity here.



If you notice, those are generalization already.

Hey, we all have our bad moments.

Improved a lot in my pinyin. But still there is room. I haven't found the sentence to make a girl melt yet. muahahhaa

WTF? What do you MEAN you like to tease bananas?

This post has been edited by KirklandLee: Dec 12 2008, 08:41 PM

Chinese ed are more reserved. The ones i meet anyways, but once they get to know u, they are more open. It takes awhile as compared to english ed.

EDIT: It's either that or their intimidated by my height.

This post has been edited by used2bcow: Dec 12 2008, 08:08 PM

Yes, to answer your question. This is my style. This is my style of typing and quoting.

But you can understand it right? and it serves its purpose.

No. you did not offend me, but like I said you have your views and others or mine may differ from it.

Let me ask you, what is proper and improper? What is right and what is wrong?

For me as long the view is explained in a logical manner and with ample reasoning. I might or might not accept it, its based on my own reasoning and beliefs.

What you THINK may be right for you but not for others.

Bear that in mind, different people different views. Different countries different culture.

So it doesn't mean your right is might or your re-education is right to others.

That's how I see things. (Not blasting you but this is how I look at things)




Secondly, This is a forum hence misinterpretations will happen. From your post and may i open and close quote "As we speak here, the japanese there advances much faster than us here trying to pronounce a, b, c or ih, er, san or both.". To me it refers to a race called the Japanese.

Now I throw the ball to you, what does the japanese has to do with the english ed and chinese ed girls here in malaysia?

If you never meant to compare or use the japanese as a reference. That remark should have not appear in your post, my dear friend.



Yes, I have to agree with you on this. This is MY Generalisation.

but if you read on I did say "However, people grow up and some don't. You just need to weed out the bad weeds from the good ones.".

Hence, you are just referring to one sentence and it will be meaningless but you missed out the other sentence which I said people grow up.

That is how I see it, I am not right nor I am not wrong. As this is how I feel the current situation right now.

But heck, I'm only one guy anyway who just want to tell you that.

I'm not a perfectionist and I don't try to be one. It is simple as that my Dear Friend.



This post has been edited by KirklandLee: Dec 12 2008, 08:19 PM

If you want to say this, then we might as well say the chinese people are actually african people. All races, regardless of geographic location are somewhat related, so to call the Japanese people, Chinese people, is a display of incredible arrogance and ignorance. They have grown into their own culture and language thousands of years ago.


Teens are immature, regardless of the way they're brought up


Bro, the term banana is very simple. Its a chinese who can't speak chinese. Yellow outside, white inside. You simply cannot escape grouping people, it will always exists whether you like it or not, and even you will do it yourself too. What you can do, is not judge people by the stereotypes. Don't be surprised however when majority of such people fit into their stereotypes


who isn't I can't speak chinese properly, but I know enough words/phrases to mix it with malay and english

Then I also can say we humans are actually apes. As we speak I am eating a banana.

you monkey!

That's why the earth is going to blow up into little bits and pieces. Becoz God just hate em haterz and those who generalise..and then some one smart asks, siapa punya god?.....Oh no....and the cycle continues on and on and on....racist la, religionist la, sexist la...all the ist ist....i'm no chinese, im no malaysian, im no asian.....i'm an earthling....until some alien life form is discovered....planetism? Just get along la....pleeeeezzz.

Watch out man! I'm a Silverback.

I eat hawks for breakfast. especially silver ones to paint my back.

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Added on December 12, 2008, 8:28 pmchill leh....it's just a debate.

Don't get too emotional. No one is fighting or flaming here.

This post has been edited by KirklandLee: Dec 12 2008, 08:28 PM

I've met indians who knows nothing about Tamil
I've seen Malays who spoke crap Malay and write shit malay grammar.

The thing is, you're comparing to a race in which their mother tongue isn't a national language.
From this, there are many instances where learning their mother tongue is limited, especially when their family doesn't commune in such language nor are good enough to teach. The 1st few generations that migrated here would know, but after a few generations down the line, it gets diluted and assimilated to the local languages

It happens to every race that migrated to foreign land and gets assimilated over a few generations.

O? Ahahahahaha shy le.

Got quote.

"Too many reasons to hate, too little to love. Will humanity ever learn?"

This post has been edited by used2bcow: Dec 12 2008, 08:40 PM

IF that ever happen my friend. We would all live in harmony and we wouldn't have wars.

sadly, This is life and it comes with hardships but with hardships comes with sweetness after the hardships.

or did i get that right?

erm...i tot ai ni = love you where xi huan ni = like you

actually is..

sadly, This is life and it comes with hardship but with hardship comes sweetness after hardship.

...i think...

Please stop making it sound like im saying you stereotyping over teenage girls. I did told you 'we all have our bad moments'. Let's admit to that shall we.

Well, right or wrong, i seriously don't care about it, because i know, we're not going to end up at the court facing jurisdiction.

It's okay, everybody told me that anyway.



Yes, we're on the same page. I guess its all about beliefs. Its about how am i going to convince you whether it is or is not. Am i right? If you chose not to believe it up to you then but please do validate your points as well, simple as that.



I'm not sure why would you make a big fuss about this. If you want me to talk about other nations, heck why not. Its just an example and its the given best example i could think of at that moment. And besides, i did told you the purpose of me putting an example of nation into context which is the Japanese.

You don't have to tell me that. I'm fully aware of that statement as i've been telling them alot as well. But what i want you to know is that, convincing others assuming that you are able to validate your points with proper and logical reasoning is also a righteous thing to do. But if given that the person refuses to believe our points then that's up to them. Simple as that, we're not being persuasive enough. It's not like I tell them 'Yo, man you are wrong!' Am i right? You don't have to make it sound like im schooling others. My point is located at each person ability to convince over the other. Liberty still exist there. I'm not condemning the others am i not?

Believe me, i do acknowledge different people have different POVs, heck i've been eating that for breakfast. But i just hope you could understand this. I'm not telling them what to do nor did i want to seek for approval. I will TRY to convince them or persuade them to see how i see or observe things and at the same time try as well to be in their shoes, so that it may seems that i'm interested in understanding their nature and their point of arguments. Listening passively and actively as well. If they still persist to argue or to belief things in their own way, go ahead. Did i patronize them? No.

My point is. Acknowledging the matter is one thing. What you're trying to tell about the respecting people view, yes i gotta agree with that. But agreeing and disagreeing is one thing. But, if i have a point to construct and tell, i might as well use my liberty and free will to tell where i stand as well, given that im able to gather enough logical and constructive points to debate on. At least im doing it purposely. Wait, i think both of us did as well. Ok, silverhawk you're in as well

If there are misinterpretation it is our job to make it sounds 'right'. We are after all have trouble in passing the flow of true and correct information. Thus, this is where forum stands as well. If it happens, well too bad. This is where good people will help to make others understand better.



And why does it sound offensive or intriguing to you? Can you at least persuade me to answer such statement which i already did told you why? Rather than telling me its wrong to put Japanese in the context? How about i put the Arab educated into context. Would you still look at my statement the same or would you look at it as me putting it into context as a method for me to distinguish that its purposeless to actually argue in this thread?

And about distinguishing what is proper and improper or what is right and wrong. Put it this way. I know where you're heading and i know how you want me to spill my beans. But at least we here are educated enough to know how to distinguish what is proper and improper to ourselves. Try put negative emotions into a statement. To me that's improper enough, and i will try my best to make it sound properly. Well enough?

I don't think we're able to answer what is right or wrong. It's a matter of questioning 4Ws and 1 h about right or wrong. If i can answer it, basically its a matter of ethics and philosophy. I guess even you are aware of that. I guess its better for both of us to stand on the neutral side where we can accept possibilities. How's that sound?

This post has been edited by peinsama: Dec 12 2008, 11:12 PM

gosh pein..why so angry....pat pat*sayang

True. Simple enough to stereotype us people as well



I love Malaysia~

It's nice to remix languages.

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Added on December 12, 2008, 10:57 pm=.=;

hey hey, the fingers i tell you....better don't near me!



This post has been edited by peinsama: Dec 12 2008, 10:57 PM