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 chinese ed gf vs english ed gf, let the debates begin lulz

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Canon_Ixus
post Dec 12 2008, 10:33 AM

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I'm a Malay school educated.

My 1st girl is a Chinese ed, speaks english superbly, studied in Melbourne, came back with a bit of aussie accent. She's still as cool as ever

My 2nd girl (also my current fiance) is a Chinese ed, learned to speak english on her own, as her families don't speak english, neither did her classmates, but she read books and listened to music, and had a Caucasian teacher lady to teach her english also. She's good in english now, reads management books, leadership books and biographies, listens to english musics (after getting to know me..lol) but her pronunciation still lacks the punch (like pronouncing the "R"s), she knows hakka, mandrin, basic Japanese (spoken and written), and know she's learning Thai (coz she's working there).

While myself? Only english and malay, and some crappy cantonese.

I sucks in all other languages except english.

In this aspect, I'd say Chinese or English or Malay educated has no bearing whatsoever on the individual. But it is how one is brought up, and influenced by the circle of influence one was in since childhood.


Added on December 12, 2008, 10:35 amAnd the reason I preferred a Chinese ed girl is also because she can cover my lack of comprehension in the Chinese language, while I can cover for her in English.

If you put two bananas together, you'll get nothing but bananas.


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post Dec 12 2008, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(lux @ Dec 12 2008, 04:45 PM)
Hmm..as Chinese people, I wonder why are we so quick to categorize ourselves. Seems like a lot of people are on either one of the spectrum, with so few claiming to be in-between. smile.gif I find the stereotypes of both Eng & Chinese-ed girls to be quite accurate. But what's up with the dissing of the Chinese-eds?

I wholeheartedly agree with the statement. While I understand the importance of English as a dominant language in the professional field, I too believe that to know, at least, to understand some basics of your mother tongue is important. So far, I've never met any Malay who doesn't know how to speak Malay, or Indian who does not know Tamil. It's only the Chinese, for some, who choose to distance themselves away from learning Chinese, speaking in Chinese and even some, who are even proud to be "banana". :/

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I've met indians who knows nothing about Tamil
I've seen Malays who spoke crap Malay and write shit malay grammar.

The thing is, you're comparing to a race in which their mother tongue isn't a national language.
From this, there are many instances where learning their mother tongue is limited, especially when their family doesn't commune in such language nor are good enough to teach. The 1st few generations that migrated here would know, but after a few generations down the line, it gets diluted and assimilated to the local languages

It happens to every race that migrated to foreign land and gets assimilated over a few generations.
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post Dec 13 2008, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(lux @ Dec 13 2008, 12:43 AM)
One thing that's gotten me to question about English-ed people...is their tendancy to adopt English names. As far as I know, not every Chinese person who has an English name is necessarily Christian. I have English-ed friends who tell me that being called by their Chinese name makes them feel uncomfortable, and unnerving. I really wonder what is up with that. It's as if they are ashamed of their Chinese roots, that's why they shun their Chinese names, and or refuse to speak/learn Chinese. Well, of course, not everyone is like that yeah. smile.gif
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My english name was given by my dad and it carries a significant meaning as well.

If one grew up being called his english name, certainly it is uncomfortable to be called some other name even if its his name in chinese.


Added on December 13, 2008, 1:42 am
QUOTE(silverhawk @ Dec 13 2008, 01:35 AM)
Now what is really hilarious, is chinese ed people adopting english names. They don't know the meaning of the word, and just because it sounds nice, the adopt it into their name. I've heard a girl introduce herself as "kinky" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Some even called themselves FANNY.

I laugh at their ignorance.

This post has been edited by Canon_Ixus: Dec 13 2008, 01:42 AM
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post Dec 14 2008, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(calibre2001 @ Dec 13 2008, 09:00 AM)
This argument would work in places like UK,US where the minority population is very small and thus are likely to assimilate into the local mainstream society.

In Malaysia, we have a significant chinese population who still speak chinese dialect/mandarin as their mother tongue. We also 'proper' have chinese schools and a vibrant chinese media. In short, the chinese language is very much alive and kicking here. Bananas are an oddity given the context (although you can trace the phenomena back to the british days..)

Based on the local demographics then, it is kind of unacceptable to be a nonspeaking chinese in malaysia. It's all about who's in control at the end of the day.

Unacceptable by whom based on whose standard and is it absolute and should it be imposing?

Do note that regardless if a chinese speaks his own language or not, it isn't the universal language nor the national language, although learning additional languages are still better but never an absolute necessity. It is just an extra.
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post Dec 14 2008, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(lux @ Dec 14 2008, 02:46 AM)
That's quite sad actually. I do agree that in a multi-cultured society in Malaysia, there isn't really an excuse for a Chinese not to know at least the basics of his/her mother tongue (not necessarily fluent), since it is so widely spoken here. Chinese may not be a universal language, but it is one of the most widely spoken languages in the world. You could say that it's not a necessity for a Chinese to know his mother tongue. But that is personal, and it reflects the attitude and mentality of the person towards his/her own culture.
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Of which is only limited to one's perception should it take precedence over other priorities in his life, not absolute and should not be determined by other people other than yourself.

Sad or not, is a relative opinion. The important aspect is for the better survival of one in the world in which he competes in. It can be in any language whatsoever. Knowledge in one's mother tongue isn't the determinant factor for the quality of life in an individual, for there is no factual nor documented correlation between these two.



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