Haha sorry thank you for helping explain. I am very bad in explaining thing but i dont like to force ppl ( your so called persuasion ) Like some ppl when their mindset is fix they will be the comfort zone it protect themselves from everything ppl say . I dont blame them but at least i know i tried.

no funder. I don't mind psychology majors as long as they don't do their psychobabble on me. Their favorite phrase is "That's textbook" and it drives me crazy.
I'm doing EE.

This post has been edited by spunkberry: Jul 25 2008, 03:57 PM

Have u ever felt an energy or a force thats very powerful and it keep channeling among a group of ppl it just makes everything feels good.

Haha anyway its ok i rest my case.

digi, persuasion, is not forcing, don't categorize them both together...=)

persuasion is an art of changing one's perception

as i remember persuasion, lets say you are attending a seminar on being environmental friendly to factory operators

who should you employ as your speaker?
a) an environmentalist?
b) another factory operator who practices environmental friendly methods?

although asking an environmentalist is a good thing, as he is most likely to be more knowledgeable on these things, but in this situation, b ) would be likely a better choice as people would like to listen to the field they are more likely to be involved in and listen to them comparing to a phd holder...=)

get my point?

to spunkberry,

tell me more about that textbook phrase...sounds new to me...LOL
and mind my blurness...what's EE again?lol

This post has been edited by LostWanderer: Jul 25 2008, 04:02 PM

tat kind of mindset can be in tats a joke dude. Do you need to study psychology to understand human?

Put it this way, the most profound way to describe the method of persuasion, is to show to OTHERS that we're INTERESTED with them. Trust me bro, i believe you will get the idea

from wat i understand persuasion means something u ask repeatly or doing it repeatly.

I might not understand your persuasion but my art is more to showing oneself the big picture.

I have no idea what you just said. LOL but I have a psychology major friend who does exactly that - over analyzes people and thinks he's superior because of that. But that's just him ... so far.

persuasion means showing others we're interested with them. Thats a new line to me. Thank you will study on that topic more.

Nope. Have you tried writing a persuasive speech? There are certain things you must do.
Persuading someone is the act of trying to convince someone to believe what you believe, do what you do. Not showing the big picture or asking repeatedly or whatever it is you just said it is.

This post has been edited by spunkberry: Jul 25 2008, 04:04 PM

No no no...my friend, is not the conclusion of it, its the method to achieve it.

no, you don't need to study psych to understand human...

we understand human on our own way
but by studying psych, you just get those terms which makes them (human) more complicated than you know them already...LOL

This post has been edited by LostWanderer: Jul 25 2008, 04:05 PM

This post has been edited by DiGi: Jul 25 2008, 04:06 PM

digi, that's a good thing that you realize what would be the less of you if there isn't a buddy which helped you along your road of life

now you just want to share that knowledge you gain to help others, which is also a good thing...=)

This post has been edited by LostWanderer: Jul 25 2008, 04:10 PM

its not but urge or convince is an action you do more than 1 time so its call repeatly.
But i do get the other idea what your persuasion means. Thank you

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Added on July 25, 2008, 4:12 pmYeah. i do realize that if without him i might be still saying how my life sux
Thank you for that compliment too. I have always wonder what if i never met him i can imagine where my life would be heading.

This post has been edited by DiGi: Jul 25 2008, 04:12 PM

you don't need to be repeatedly exposed to the stimuli to be persuaded, you just get accustomed to it, through tenacity...like what your parents told you to not talk to strangers or if not you will get kidnapped or something like that...lol

if the persuasion was strong, like what martin luther king jr or mohammad ghandi is, you just need it once, and there, you change...=)

This post has been edited by LostWanderer: Jul 25 2008, 04:14 PM

yea my parents doesnt persuade. They will repeat it again and again so it gets screw into my head.
Anyway thank you lostwanderer for sharing i gain some knowledge from you.

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Added on July 25, 2008, 4:16 pmYou have a point. I guess i need to master the art of persuasion then.

This post has been edited by DiGi: Jul 25 2008, 04:16 PM

there are many ways to persuade people. If you do it often its call manipulating

It depends persuasion could be good sometimes and even bad.

yup, manipulating is also another form of persuasion, the only difference is, manipulating just gets the other person to follow your way, while persuasion is to change one's mind...lol

in short, manipulation is usually for raking in self benefits, i believe

come on digi, sometimes, it's not probably your style as well, but in persuasion, there might be also the need for another to change

if this mindset was shaky, then you might get to break through it easily, but if it was strong, you get fired back, it just becomes stronger...so, the battle continues...and the winner stays with their points

the loser, either one gives up persuading or the persuadee changes his or her mindset, and it became the opposite extreme then...=)

it's all in the books...XD

ok, i might sound confusing above, sorry...in short and better english

if the victor is the persuader, he makes the persuadee on his side, and the persuadee stand now is as strong as the persuader

if the persuader loses, this will cause the persuadee to have a stronger point of view, due to the idea generation which happened at then, and would have a stronger point than before the persuasion...=)

This post has been edited by LostWanderer: Jul 25 2008, 04:29 PM