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Benjamin911
post Jan 12 2011, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(akioen @ Jan 12 2011, 04:51 PM)
Hi, this year I'm going for industry training, do u guys have any recommendations in Klang valley, especially somewhere nearby Petaling Jaya?

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Here is a list;

(The phase "Sdn. Bhd." comes at the end of each company's name.)


AMKO Associates

Archicentre

Arkitek Samsudin

AK Architect

CS Lew Architect

DP Architects

DMP Architects

Garis Architects.

Hijjas Kasturi Associates

Ho & Associates / Nesa Arkitek

Innotech Design Architects (IDEAS)

K. E. Guay Architect

LBH Architect

MJKanny Architect

Nautilus Archi.lab

Pakatan Reka Arkitek

Perunding Alam Bina

Sayhan Lim Architect

SN Low & Associates

Surbana - http://www.surbana.com/en/index.html

TR Hamzah & Yeang

Veritas Architects

Yap Hock Seong Architect

PCM Kos Perunding

MQS Consult

BEQS Consultants

Jub Utara

DL QS Consult

Jurukur Bahan FPS

Perunding Senikos

MH Perunding Juruukur Bahan

SQ OS Consult

Jurukur Bahan Perdana


Regards.

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I'll prefer smaller firm, because i think the boss will have more concentration on u, and will get a chance to involve more and learn more. Want to build up a relationship with a firm for next time internship.
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I'll prefer smaller firm, because i think the boss will have more concentration on u, and will get a chance to involve more and learn more. Want to build up a relationship with a firm for next time internship.
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If that is the case, then you can try speaking to your lecturer(s) or dean in charge; if any of them is so happened to be a Part III holder/architect running a small firm/office, then you can try getting to work under them.

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QUOTE(akioen @ Jan 12 2011, 05:18 PM)
I'll prefer smaller firm, because i think the boss will have more concentration on u, and will get a chance to involve more and learn more. Want to build up a relationship with a firm for next time internship.
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having more attention from the boss might not always be a good thing. a lot of students realized that they cant make mistakes or else be seen as incompetent. architects always assume that the practical student have already reached full maturity. we have no idea why biggrin.gif.




anyways, thought i share a few interesting notes:

i. UiTM will be the 1st university in malaysia to start the 3+2 degree+masters programme. they are accredited by both LAM and RIBA.
ii. UTM, UM and USM will follow suite in the next 2 years.

more to come.
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Jan 12 2011, 08:12 PM)
Here is a list;

(The phase "Sdn. Bhd." comes at the end of each company's name.)
AMKO Associates

Archicentre

Arkitek Samsudin

AK Architect

CS Lew Architect

DP Architects

DMP Architects

Garis Architects.

Hijjas Kasturi Associates

Ho & Associates / Nesa Arkitek

Innotech Design Architects (IDEAS)

K. E. Guay Architect

LBH Architect

MJKanny Architect

Nautilus Archi.lab

Pakatan Reka Arkitek

Perunding Alam Bina

Sayhan Lim Architect

SN Low & Associates

Surbana - http://www.surbana.com/en/index.html

TR Hamzah & Yeang

Veritas Architects

Yap Hock Seong Architect

PCM Kos Perunding

MQS Consult

BEQS Consultants

Jub Utara

DL QS Consult

Jurukur Bahan FPS

Perunding Senikos

MH Perunding Juruukur Bahan

SQ OS Consult

Jurukur Bahan Perdana
Regards.
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Thank you..

btw...any UiTM Architecture nye Alumni here??
KVReninem
post Jan 19 2011, 08:16 AM

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Hi guys,

I need your view about construction management course.

What are the prospect of Construction Management in Malaysia.
What about the prospect of Urban Planners?

As you can see, Architecture/Build Environment field is a quite saturate & requires finance from govt (msia).

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post Jan 19 2011, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 19 2011, 08:16 AM)
Hi guys,

I need your view about construction management course.

What are the prospect of Construction Management in Malaysia.
What about the prospect of Urban Planners?

As you can see, Architecture/Build Environment field is a quite saturate & requires finance from govt (msia).
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Contruction management is not recognized as a profession in Malaysia. By recognition, I mean the profession is regulated by Acts of Parliament. In Malaysia, anybody can call himself a construction manager but not everybody can call himself an architect.

Town planning is OK, it is a recognized profession. Town planners in the local authorities are people with a lot of authority. A lot of town planning work in the private sector is also done by architects though the authorities have made it mandatory for projects more than 5 acres (2.5 hectares) to be submitted by a registered Town Planner.

The demand for architects is still better compared to the two other professions. The bulk of work in the building industry is in the private sector, not the public sector (govt) even though the latter pays better fees.
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post Jan 19 2011, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jan 19 2011, 12:10 PM)
Contruction management is not recognized as a profession in Malaysia. By recognition, I mean the profession is regulated by Acts of Parliament. In Malaysia, anybody can call himself a construction manager but not everybody can call himself an architect.

Town planning is OK, it is a recognized profession. Town planners in the local authorities are people with a lot of authority. A lot of town planning work in the private sector is also done by architects though the authorities have made it mandatory for projects more than 5 acres (2.5 hectares) to be submitted by a registered Town Planner.

The demand for architects is still better compared to the two other professions. The bulk of work in the building industry is in the private sector, not the public sector (govt) even though the latter pays better fees.
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Yup, I do agree the Malaysia standards of job title.

if speaking about Construction Manager, what is the relevant of Masterbuilder Malaysia? Or CPID? to Malaysia Build Environment.

Currently I`m in Australia, I get to know the construction bodies like AIB & MasterBuilder which also strongly relate itself with its bigger body, Architecture - RAIA.There is also small body like HIA which will tell about the housing situations in Australia.

While on about Urban Planner, Yes I do know that Malaysia too, like to categories Urban Design to Architects, working on Masterplans & policy setting done by town planners.

Yes, as many of you guys heard. Malaysia need architects, alot of them according to Najib ETP & future.


But, i`m wondering, How far will Malaysia starts to work properly with its big picture of > Engineers, Accountant, Architects, Bankers, Doctors, Nurse, Business men. If you sing the songs of recommended course & takers, you know how it sound like...




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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 19 2011, 12:17 PM)
Yup, I do agree the Malaysia standards of job title.

if speaking about Construction Manager, what is the relevant of Masterbuilder Malaysia? Or CPID? to Malaysia Build Environment.

The Masterbuilder's Association is just that, an association or a club for people in a trade or profession. It has no power. Just as PAM which represents the architectural profession does not have power. It is just a mouthpiece for the profession, a collective voice.  It is LAM or the Board which has power under the law.



Currently I`m in Australia, I get to know the construction bodies like AIB & MasterBuilder which also strongly relate itself with its bigger body, Architecture - RAIA.There is also small body like HIA which will tell about the housing situations in Australia.

While on about Urban Planner, Yes I do know that Malaysia too, like to categories Urban Design to Architects, working on Masterplans & policy setting done by town planners.

Urban/town planner mean the same thing.

Yes, as many of you guys heard. Malaysia need architects, alot of them according to Najib ETP & future.
But, i`m wondering, How far will Malaysia starts to work properly with its big picture of > Engineers, Accountant, Architects, Bankers, Doctors, Nurse, Business men. If you sing the songs of recommended course & takers, you know how it sound like...

I don't undertand what you are saying.
I would not recommend people to take a course in Construction Management. It is just too general.


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post Jan 19 2011, 09:41 PM

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One question, i tried applying for IPTA thru UPU's website just now, but i can't seem to find Sarjana Muda Senibina / B.Sc of Architecture for UTM, UIAM, and UKM. They are not in the list. Could only find for UM and UiTM.

I'm applying under Diploma/Setaraf. Are they not offering for diploma grads or did i missed something?

This post has been edited by croviax: Jan 19 2011, 10:03 PM
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 19 2011, 12:17 PM)
Yes, as many of you guys heard. Malaysia need architects, alot of them according to Najib ETP & future.
But, i`m wondering, How far will Malaysia starts to work properly with its big picture of > Engineers, Accountant, Architects, Bankers, Doctors, Nurse, Business men. If you sing the songs of recommended course & takers, you know how it sound like...
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The foremost problem is how to convince them to come back to Malaysia after they've graduated. Looking at the issue of corruption alone is enough for me to seriously consider migration. If corruption is never tackled as a real issue, Malaysia will always stuck being the manufacturing-base country rather than a knowledge or professional base. The government should address the serious issues rather than just singing songs of the rather never coming future.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jan 19 2011, 05:01 PM)
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Okay, thanks clarifying it.

So until when will Malaysia Architect regulations start to change? hmm.gif


QUOTE(yangsquare @ Jan 20 2011, 01:04 AM)
The foremost problem is how to convince them to come back to Malaysia after they've graduated. Looking at the issue of corruption alone is enough for me to seriously consider migration. If corruption is never tackled as a real issue, Malaysia will always stuck being the manufacturing-base country rather than a knowledge or professional base. The government should address the serious issues rather than just singing songs of the rather never coming future.
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Corruption is part of the society to make things work out. But there is 2 side to it.

Corruption in China itself had forced the country to seriously take it as death penalty & mobilize its society upward. While in Malaysia, we are good too with corruption, but its like India. Corruption like Bureaucracy that a cricket New Delhi stadium takes longer than expected to finish...n Malaysia falls in this category.

You cant remove pure corruption.
Just read freakonomics or watch the show smile.gif

Malaysia, will forever be a manufacturing-base-export-high-skill-labour-out. Architects also play role in inception of our vision. Arent we already doom for the next 9 years?

Why do we have produced so much -Civil- Engineers & etc when our road still totally crap & why are we not creating urban planner but having Architects to do it when an Architects itself got more than what it can handle?

Im not disputing about the role of Architects, but i`m just wondering. Where is Malaysia in this so called Transformation mode? laugh.gif

Sorry Architects & Architecture student, i`m bringing this out of the normal building talks n how you guys orgasm how nice the designs is & whats n what so much the architecture itself but hardly talk about the after things we design n build.. what it resembles


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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 20 2011, 12:54 AM)
Okay, thanks clarifying it.

So until when will Malaysia Architect regulations start to change? hmm.gif
Corruption is part of the society to make things work out. But there is 2 side to it.

Corruption in China itself had forced the country to seriously take it as death penalty & mobilize its society upward. While in Malaysia, we are good too with corruption, but its like India. Corruption like Bureaucracy that a cricket New Delhi stadium takes longer than expected to finish...n Malaysia falls in this category.

You cant remove pure corruption.
Just read freakonomics or watch the show smile.gif

Malaysia, will forever be a manufacturing-base-export-high-skill-labour-out. Architects also play role in inception of our vision. Arent we already doom for the next 9 years?

Why do we have produced so much -Civil- Engineers & etc when our road still totally crap & why are we not creating urban planner but having Architects to do it when an Architects itself got more than what it can handle?

Im not disputing about the role of Architects, but i`m just wondering. Where is Malaysia in this so called Transformation mode? laugh.gif

Sorry Architects & Architecture student, i`m bringing this out of the normal building talks n how you guys orgasm how nice the designs is & whats n what so much the architecture itself but hardly talk about the after things we design n build.. what it resembles
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there's a big difference in developed countries compared to malaysia. we havent reached critical mass on crucial sectors like engineering and architecture - meaning we're still building new infrastructure and buildings and have little time to put into maintaining and improving. in the UK for example, i worked with a firm specializing ONLY in kitchen renovation. well, at least that's all they were doing when i was there for about a year lol.

they could go into other things to maximize their profits, but they prefer not to, and specializing give them a niche area where everybody knows them for their work. it's a small office, catering for a small city (heck it didnt even have its own website), but they have no problem sustaining the 7 people in it. and they take pride with their job.

i have friends here in malaysia venturing into niche areas as well. one of them focused only on ID and houses, and have managed to excel with zero reliance on government projects. architects in his office are being paid RM6k each, and that is not including other benefits.

the thing is, a lot of us are actually capable of venturing into specializations, but at the moment there is no need as there's not enough people to do the casual works even. for example, we're still producing schools using JKR template (u know what i'm talking about!), but slowly over the past 10 years, people have been subbing schools to proper architects. why? because people see that they produce better school designs (well, JKR standard isnt hard to surpass to begin with). if we have enough good architects to compete using better and better designs, then the bad architects wont have a chance to get a job, and must work hard to improve themselves.

until critical mass is reached, all we can do is improve ourselves and wait for the world to catch up.


Added on January 20, 2011, 1:10 pm
QUOTE(croviax @ Jan 19 2011, 01:41 PM)
One question, i tried applying for IPTA thru UPU's website just now, but i can't seem to find Sarjana Muda Senibina / B.Sc of Architecture for UTM, UIAM, and UKM. They are not in the list. Could only find for UM and UiTM.

I'm applying under Diploma/Setaraf. Are they not offering for diploma grads or did i missed something?
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got lah. who said dont have?

i just checked. it's there. choose:

IPTA - the ones u want
KATEGORI - Diploma/Setaraf
ALIRAN - Sains

it should list what u want.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 20 2011, 01:00 PM)

got lah. who said dont have?

i just checked. it's there. choose:

IPTA - the ones u want
KATEGORI - Diploma/Setaraf
ALIRAN - Sains

it should list what u want.
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Yes it's there when checking the course that they offer, but when filling the forms, it's not in the drop down list.
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call UPU. problem solved.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 20 2011, 01:46 PM)
call UPU. problem solved.
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Ok will do. Thanks
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 20 2011, 02:00 PM)
there's a big difference in developed countries compared to malaysia. we havent reached critical mass on crucial sectors like engineering and architecture - meaning we're still building new infrastructure and buildings and have little time to put into maintaining and improving. in the UK for example, i worked with a firm specializing ONLY in kitchen renovation. well, at least that's all they were doing when i was there for about a year lol.

they could go into other things to maximize their profits, but they prefer not to, and specializing give them a niche area where everybody knows them for their work. it's a small office, catering for a small city (heck it didnt even have its own website), but they have no problem sustaining the 7 people in it. and they take pride with their job.

i have friends here in malaysia venturing into niche areas as well. one of them focused only on ID and houses, and have managed to excel with zero reliance on government projects. architects in his office are being paid RM6k each, and that is not including other benefits.

the thing is, a lot of us are actually capable of venturing into specializations, but at the moment there is no need as there's not enough people to do the casual works even. for example, we're still producing schools using JKR template (u know what i'm talking about!), but slowly over the past 10 years, people have been subbing schools to proper architects. why? because people see that they produce better school designs (well, JKR standard isnt hard to surpass to begin with). if we have enough good architects to compete using better and better designs, then the bad architects wont have a chance to get a job, and must work hard to improve themselves.

until critical mass is reached, all we can do is improve ourselves and wait for the world to catch up.
1. Your point is waiting for critical mass to do the changes? (are you refering to body like Outdated LAM & Irrelevant want to be regulators PAM)?
2. Yes I do agree changes can be done with this critical mass. But heck, How long more that Malaysian will start to see what developer hyped & design isnt what & who we are?
3. Of course, most profession there r the category of good & bad & level at the top pyramid. But again, like locals graduated Architects, besides working for govt. What are they capable of changing the scene of Maybe Malaysia failed Architecture? Most of the best landmark arent design by Malaysian but Overseas Architect.




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problem solved..
i saw at the pictures, it shows that u want to choose for 3rd choice right??
u can only choose architecture course in 1st and 2nd choice since it has a interview..

1st and 2nd choice only..
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 20 2011, 01:00 PM)
there's a big difference in developed countries compared to malaysia. we havent reached critical mass on crucial sectors like engineering and architecture - meaning we're still building new infrastructure and buildings and have little time to put into maintaining and improving. in the UK for example, i worked with a firm specializing ONLY in kitchen renovation. well, at least that's all they were doing when i was there for about a year lol.

they could go into other things to maximize their profits, but they prefer not to, and specializing give them a niche area where everybody knows them for their work. it's a small office, catering for a small city (heck it didnt even have its own website), but they have no problem sustaining the 7 people in it. and they take pride with their job.

i have friends here in malaysia venturing into niche areas as well. one of them focused only on ID and houses, and have managed to excel with zero reliance on government projects. architects in his office are being paid RM6k each, and that is not including other benefits.

the thing is, a lot of us are actually capable of venturing into specializations, but at the moment there is no need as there's not enough people to do the casual works even. for example, we're still producing schools using JKR template (u know what i'm talking about!), but slowly over the past 10 years, people have been subbing schools to proper architects. why? because people see that they produce better school designs (well, JKR standard isnt hard to surpass to begin with). if we have enough good architects to compete using better and better designs, then the bad architects wont have a chance to get a job, and must work hard to improve themselves.

until critical mass is reached, all we can do is improve ourselves and wait for the world to catch up.


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I agree that it's way better to do small jobs and do it well rather than do volume work and can't give full attention to each job. The latter scenario is true with most of the local firms. The situation is made worse by the lack of competent support staff and low professional fees due to commericial pressure. The risk and liability of a job not done properly is increased tremendously. The trend of going into niche market, specialization, doing quality work as opposed to quantity work, etc is growing and that is the way to go for a service industry like architecture to be sustainable.

Since the 80's, almost all the projects under JKR are farmed out to private consultants, except for really small projects which they do in-house.
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 20 2011, 06:07 AM)
1. Your point is waiting for critical mass to do the changes? (are you refering to body like Outdated LAM & Irrelevant want to be regulators PAM)?
2. Yes I do agree changes can be done with this critical mass. But heck, How long more that Malaysian will start to see what developer hyped & design isnt what & who we are?
3. Of course, most profession there r the category of good & bad & level at the top pyramid. But again, like locals graduated Architects, besides working for govt. What are they capable of changing the scene of Maybe Malaysia failed Architecture? Most of the best landmark arent design by Malaysian but Overseas Architect.
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i think u dont quite catch what i meant.

critical mass here is not about any policies. it's about the mindset of the masses set against the practice. for example, countries with large population have no problem producing good athletes. that's because they have no shortage of talents, their initial pool is extremely large.

we malaysians have that pool too, but it's concentrated in one or two sports. badminton for example, is one of our biggest pool as we keep having new talents joining the ranks, equalling to powerhouses like china and indonesia (which has pools multiple times larger than us). but football? we're absolutely crap.

same here in architecture. our pool is too small to reach critical mass in the next 10 years. there are about 1700 registered architects in malaysia, and there are 27million people in malaysia. that's one architect for almost every 16000 people. meaning, even if u're NOT GOOD, u can still cari makan as an architect in malaysia. that's how sad it is.

but, when u keep adding more people into the playing field, the good ones tend to dominate. and this is what we need. it doesnt matter what policy we make, it wont change anything as long as demand is higher than supply. it opens to substandard work and practices.

in my opinion, LAM is still relevant and current. what's NOT current is their website. dont let it fool u. wink.gif

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