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post Mar 1 2009, 04:01 AM

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 17 2009, 09:24 PM)
I actually dropped Design Studio 1 a few weeks ago (to take it in the next semester instead; kind of a postponement)...I am wondering if I had made a big mistake...

The reason why I decided to drop the subject was because I realized that I had already lost 10% of the total grades even before the official commencement of the five credit core subject a few weeks ago at the start of the semester. (How I lost the 10% is a long story.)
The next reason was because I am also at the same time hoping for a more Architecture related course outline for this subject next semester , and not some Performing Arts and Fashion Designing nightmare...((I have been informed that the course outline rotates, and so happened this semester's Design Studio 1 is about Performing Arts & Novel Play stuffs...Next semester's could be about modifying Architectural spaces & designing a personal space etc...)

Today, I am feeling a little worried about the decision I had made above...I knew about the consequences and had acknowledged them. (I know that I would never be seeing & meeting with my January & March intake classmates again in all design/architecture studio subjects, I know that I will be graduating late, I know about the additional cost & fees involved, and finally, I know that I will be working with completely new faces for the rest of my diploma in design/architecture studio subjects...)

At first, all of the above were not an issue at all; but today, I am starting to get rather worried about the decision I have made...I keep thinking that I have done a very daring thing to have dropped a 5 credit CORE subject that will also ultimately change/alter the ENTIRE course of my diploma, that I have done something that I am not supposed to have done, and something that NO ONE ELSE would have done. I am beginning to think/feel that I have done something very wrong...All of this for the 10% lost and the unfavorable course outline (which will be different and hopefully more favorable next semester)...

What have you all got to say about this?  unsure.gif

Was it logical for me to have dropped Design Studio 1 because of the 10% lost and the rather scary un-architecture related course outline? And the decision to take the subject again next semester to make sure that I do not lose any marks unknowingly, and at the same time hope for a more architecture related course outline? Is this action of mine worth it in your opinion?

*Design Studio 1 is a "Prerequisite" to all following Architecture Studio subjects and Integrated Projects.
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You dropped the subject when you lost 10%, but have you consulted the course moderator yet? But since you have decided in dropping, stop yelling and start focusing. You might have the advantage of lesser subjects, giving you the absolute focus on design. If I were you, I'll take all the LAN subjects and clear it up before the next semester.


Added on March 1, 2009, 4:03 am
QUOTE(Cenarius @ Feb 23 2009, 08:35 PM)
HOW DID HE DO THAT?  shocking.gif
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Simple, if you know how to trace from a photograph. But I won't call tracing cheating either- since emulating is a method of learning to draw.

This post has been edited by yangsquare: Mar 1 2009, 04:03 AM
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post Mar 7 2009, 03:03 AM

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QUOTE(razormax @ Mar 6 2009, 05:12 AM)
Anyone knows what happen to wins art in kelana jaya? They seems to be close down and we had ordered and pay for some art stuff and now they went missing. Do anyone have their contact number other than the hp 0122650811?
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As far as I know, Wins art is a good dealer- so don't worry and try reach them later.
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post Mar 14 2009, 01:39 AM

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what does the part I exam really tests on? I can only imagine part III is on architectural practices and management.
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post Mar 15 2009, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(ericlim91 @ Mar 15 2009, 12:39 AM)
OMG,
i heard tat LIMKOKWING having a promotion for few diploma courses
included architecture course la, its only costs about 24k for 3 yrs diploma course.
and if u taking tis promotion package,
after u finished ur diploma course u can get into their 2nd yrs degree course and u will be given 50% discount for the promotion package and its only cost 12K!

so total up finishing diploma course and part 1 degree its only costs u 37k ++, its so cheap for LKW. but this promotion are vaild in these two days education fair only. So i hav to decide whether goin in or not b4 tml 6pm.

and i feels like they r cheating or wat la, coz duno y how could they offering architecture course in such low fees....i was wondering y....

and anyone graduated from LKW or studying there recently?
how is their teaching standard now?
i heard tat they said their education are vy low standard nowadays...

anyboday can giv me a suggestion?
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I'd suggest you not to take the diploma course, take the degree instead. here I find out most diploma holders lose out in terms of both cultural knowledge and presentations in 2nd year.

the degree programme is awesome, they have great lecturers in design. and our head of school is determined to aim for the part I blanket accreditation, and there lies a great future ahead of us since he was the pam president in 70s.


Added on March 15, 2009, 2:56 am
QUOTE(cottonkandy @ Mar 15 2009, 02:05 AM)
hm. is it possible for me to enter UTM straight away after SPM? i mean with having good results in SPM. as in straight away take architecture, without STPM or A-levels sort of.

if i finish the degree in taylor's, can i get a job without going for the LAM exam? and how long is the time to take another exam?
as in like i just finish taking part 1 exam, then i can take part 2 exam next day? or need like few months/year time?
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nope, you must have pre-u education to enter local public universities.

you can always get a job with a degree in architecture, you will be expected to intern in firms, help drafting and such. but of course to open an office you'll need pass all the LAM exams. lol, before continuing on part 2 you need to pass part 1. hence you need to know your results of part 1 before taking part 2.


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post Mar 15 2009, 03:26 AM

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yeah I'm a LKW student. check my works at yangsquare.com

to be honest, I felt pity for diploma course students- they dont really get the best stuff, since the degree programme is the faculty's main priority. try to get discount in the fair, if you have good spm results they might cut you some slack.
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post May 16 2009, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(silenceuk @ May 16 2009, 12:01 AM)
OMG!!
Really?!
but It's jointly run with University of Manchester...
and have high reputation in arch where i found from website.....
If compare UoM with UniMelb?
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If I were you, I would take RMIT. RMIT is superior in design rather than UniMelb. But if you need the facilities, well UniMelb is for you.
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post May 17 2009, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 17 2009, 10:22 AM)
Where did you get this from?  rolleyes.gif


Added on May 17, 2009, 10:24 am
Well I suppose RMIT have a better grip in RAIA student biennale in the current years. Plus I've heard reviews from peers here and there- though not perfectly accurate but that gives you an idea of how that school is. In fact, I am biased to look only at the steep side of the curve bell, so as an assumption the best architecture student might be in RMIT but the rest of RMIT students are just average, anyway who knows?

there will always be stereotypes which are at least partially correct like;

1. Unimelb has the best facilities, good performance in overall and design is much more pragmatic than rmit.
2. rmit emphasizes more on architecture than unimelb, so there might be some idealistic thom mayne-like geniuses hidden inside rmit. facilities suck, but what do you expect from a metropolitan school?
3. deakin has the best studio environment and occasionally produces little renzo pianos.

heck, in fact malaysian architecture schools get stereotypes too.

1. utm similarly has the best facilities, always produces good performing students.
2. usm always come close to utm but never did.
3. um is great for master thesis stuff, heavy on research.
4. uitm is the soon rising star, building great relationships across the arch. community.
4. taylors have good lecturers so they have all-rounded students. much more pragmatic than lkw some say.
5. limkokwing is overrated, sometimes produces little delusional zaha hadids and hyped as the highest % of failure in design.
6. ucsi is new, small so the management is well executed.

but what matters is not really what school youre studying in. I believe every school has at least one impressive design lecturer that you can at least tutor with. like in my college we have the reputed mr faisal from utm, Im sure azarimy knows him very well. it really depends on your confidence on going through all these obstacles, if youre the type that gives up easily - architecture is not really for you.

btw, I keep wondering schools like uitm and taylors, who is your greatest design tutor?

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post May 22 2009, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Bishop @ May 22 2009, 05:20 PM)
Correction. Taylors programme is not a twinning, it is only moderated by Melb U. Hence the cheaper fees.  thumbup.gif
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Exactly, Taylors did not twin with Melb U, they only do course moderation. You get Taylors' certificate while in LKW you graduate with Curtin U's certificate. I'm pretty sure both certs can gain you admittance to most Part II courses in Australia since several seniors of mine continued their study in RMIT. Therefore locally LKW's cert is valued more than Taylors- but none gets you exemption from Part I, so both are basically worthless. To graduate with Part I & II guaranteed, go to accreditated local unis or go overseas directly.
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post May 22 2009, 08:26 PM

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Moderation is basically a review visit by a team of professors from the main university. In LKW, our final grades are lowered/increased according to the judgment from the moderation team- so some might get higher marks even after the local lecturers graded our works. Not sure about Taylors moderation though.

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post May 24 2009, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(pickprooflemon1 @ May 24 2009, 12:04 PM)
....but u can take part 1 exam differently wat????


Added on May 24, 2009, 12:11 pmoh yea i 1 2 ask something....
is degree in architecture in taylors r accredited?
can i continue master at local u after finishing the degree at taylors?
is it possible 2 do so?
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No private Bsc Arch courses in Msia gets exemption from LAM's part I. You will need to submit your portfolio for review, so portfolio is actually your utmost important asset. Not sure about Part I's exam though.

Dont confuse with the term accreditation, there are two things you need to differentiate. An accreditation from MQA or LAN basically means the course is recognized by the Msian government, which most courses have that, Taylors and LKW included. What matters in an architecture education is the accreditation from LAM, or board of architects, which as I said, no private courses are exempted from that.

You can always have credit transfer from the first degree to the second one in public universities. However I'm not sure about how many credits can be transferred, you need to ask azarimy for that.

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post May 27 2009, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ May 27 2009, 12:33 PM)
LKW students have been going to Curtin through their twinning program all these years and they don't face such hassle.
Are you sure about that? I always thought they have to submit their portfolios.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 27 2009, 06:56 PM)
that is indeed strange. which is why as soon as i found out what happened, i immediately informed u guys here. i dont want people to assume i gave the wrong information.

however, to be clear, LKW students did their diploma here, and obtained part 1 in curtin, and eventually a part 2 there as well. so they have both 2 parts very clearly despite a twinning programme. melbourne's part 1 is not clearly or officially stated, which is the source of the problem.
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Apparently LKW have a degree now instead of the old diploma now.

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post Jun 4 2009, 03:51 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 3 2009, 08:09 PM)
right on the dot.

i would love to share the details of the accreditation process, but unfortunately i'm bound to akta rahsia rasmi. but i could do so after the accreditation process is finished.
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What does the accreditation team usually look for in the quality of the student works? Is it design adhering to building codes, drawing specifications or even the ability to design well conceptually? I know it is done according to the requirements for Part I, but what Part I looks for specifically?

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post Jun 4 2009, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(ericlim91 @ Jun 4 2009, 02:35 PM)
im planing to get one laptop for my studies and all that...

Normally im using tis laptop to surf internet...plyin such online games, dota all tat...
and oso for architecture studies...
bccoz i havent start my college so...i didnt clear about what kind of software i will be using in architecture course...i think is autoCAD those program...
anyone know what kind of software using in architecture course?

anyone can giv some suggestion about what type of laptop brands suitable for me and oso what kind of window suit to me...?

my budget was around rm 2000-2500
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you might want to check the article on my blog
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post Jun 5 2009, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(Bishop @ Jun 4 2009, 11:53 PM)
Why need to buy a new laptop for college?  mad.gif
For that budget you might as well use what ever that you are using now cause what ever you buy wont be good enough to make any real difference in performance for any 3D rendering apps. For Autocad, the bottle neck is the user, meaning you are slower than the computer, so dont really make any difference. If it does slow down then it is also your fault for bad CAD management.  whistling.gif
*yangsquare = looked at your blog. Your comment on GPU is incorrect. There is a significant difference between a workstation and gaming card(quadro and geforce). A gaming card(only good for 3D games) does not make any difference in 3D apps while the quadro(useless for gaming) have scripts specifically written for the 3D apps which will assist in rendering.

As for RAM, the speed of the RAM is more important than the actual quantity. RAMs are so cheap these days, 3Gb++ is standard. Get faster RAM asnd you will see a huge diff especially when doing Photoshop.
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I beg to differ. Both workstation and gaming cards does add performance to 3D apps, limited however to display/navigation only as long as they support opengl. On the other hand both workstation and gaming cards do not matter in 3D renderings, it is solely depending upon your CPU capability. Since workstation cards are mostly coded in opengl rather than direct3d, it makes little use for gaming.

In the end of the day, computer is just a tool- no matter how powerful your equipment or how beautiful your 3d renderings are- it won't get you good grades if your design is not up to par.
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post Jun 7 2009, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(ericlim91 @ Jun 7 2009, 06:04 PM)
so...
is that meaning i just need to get a laptop with more hard drive space and better RAM at least for 2GB,
and also a better graphic card?

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get one with screen bigger than 14", so that you wont be stressing your eyes out doing cad all the time. go for an external hard disk and max out your ram. and a dedicated graphics is a must. I guess a budget around 2.8k can get you that.

brand does not matter, as long as youre confident with their service/warranty.

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post Jun 8 2009, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(ericlim91 @ Jun 8 2009, 07:28 PM)
does Dell Studio 15 rm3099 more suitable?
im attracted by tis...

Processor
Intel® Centrino® 2 Processor Technology- Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor P8600 (2.40GHz)

Operating system
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium

Memory
3GB DDR2 SDRAM

Monitor
15.6” HD WLED Display with TrueLife™

Hard Drive
250GB* Hard Drive

Optical Drive
Slot Load DVD Burner*

Graphic Card
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4570

Wireless Network Card
Intel® WiFi Link 5100 802.11a/g/n Half Mini-card

Service
1-Year Limited Hardware Warranty, In-Home / On-Site* Service After Remote Diagnosis

http://www1.ap.dell.com/my/en/home/noteboo...s=dhs&cs=mydhs1


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the price is too much for my budget..


Added on June 8, 2009, 7:32 pm

i heard that b4  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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I think that is good enough for your venture. now go brush up your photoshop skills.

btw, it is not appropriate to say that nvidia is better than ati. both works good in sketchup. however, for now I recommend ati since nvidia's image has dropped since the mass nvidia powered graphics laptop failure.

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post Jun 13 2009, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(silenceuk @ Jun 13 2009, 02:03 AM)
erm..I din get Manchester uni...so sad for me to know that...and I've declined the UniMelb's offer..
so...now i have to go to UK....
I had applied Uni liverpool, Dundee, Queens Uni Belfast
hopefully I can get...I will go there for my part 1 then transfer back to Manchester for my part 2...
Are these unis good?


Added on June 13, 2009, 2:04 am

this is a modern architecture school?
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AA is probably one of the best architecture schools in the world. Rogers, Hadid, Koolhaas and Ken Yeang graduated from AA.
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post Jun 16 2009, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Jun 15 2009, 11:36 PM)
What? Is Architecture that hard? biggrin.gif

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Anyway, after experiencing 1.5 years of Architecture education (at Taylors), I personally "observed" and "felt" that Architecture education is actually NOT that difficult, it is only difficult when one actually really tries to "strive" for "Excellence" (basically try to strive to "EXCEL" in the projects, assignments, and (or) exams as such.) Only then, Architecture education becomes challenging; and increasingly so, as one's desire for excellent results and grades increase... Otherwise, based from my experience and observations around my current level, the course is actually not that difficult at all, as long as one follow the assignment briefs, instructions, guidelines, and pay attention to the lectures, tutorials, and forums. (Just don't do the wrong thing.) (Always pay attention to the lecturer and to the assignment and grading requirements/criteria.) Then you will be fine. (Always do the right thing.) (Know what the lecturer wants, or is looking for.) smile.gif

I also realized that in Architecture education, the assignments are all "open based" (subjective) in that, one has the freedom to decide on his/her "Design". For example, person A can think of a design that is simple and straightforward, yet cool and attention grabbing; yet one that does not requires sleepless nights to achieve. On the other hand, person B can think of a design that is unimaginably complicated and detailed; one that would definitely demand sleepless nights upon sleepless nights to achieve; yet one that might also be receiving tons and tons of criticism from the critics later on...)

That is why one of the interesting things about architecture education is that; one gets to decide or take control over his/her projects/assignments, (and decide on his/her fate). wink.gif

The bottom line is: Architecture education is as hard as how you want it to be. (The decision is in your hands.)

Just my two cents opinion based on how I feel and observed about the Architecture education at my current stage.

Feel free to share about your perspective/point of view of the Architecture Education. (Not necessarily in the context of difficulty alone...)

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I think Ill have to disagree with you on this one. Architecture is hard, there is no doubt about that. If you compare other courses for example, architecture is guaranteed to give you sleepless nights; regardless of your work is good or bad. compared to benjamin, I had 2.5 years in architecture; and I've seen my coursemates fail year after year. In fact, if I were to count back how many friends from the first semester that are still remaining with me, I can count them with my fingers.

Most take easy way out with graphic design, photography and interior design if they are still wondering if they're supposed to be in architecture. Like benjamin said, you can do only sufficient work to pass your design rather than excel, but the next semester demands double amount of effort of what previously. For example, final project of semester 2 will be designing a residential house; the next semester you'll be designing a house for the first project and a series of pavillions for the final project.

That is only scale of the projects growing bigger and bigger. The amount of skill levels (drawing conventions, scale/proportion, modelmaking, graphical layout) also doubles every semester - using back the same skill level of the previous semester (just to pass) will surely fail you in the subsequent semester. That is where the books become important- not as reference or inspiration - but more to increase the level of thought you put in design.

Some of them really did their best, but still gets really harsh criticism in reviews- while some are naturally talented. Unlike other courses that you can memorize your way through the exams, in architecture we spend only few hours cramming whole semester's scope in exam. Regardless of how good your structural calculations or your knowledge in building science, people still rank you in terms of your design skills.

The workplace becomes another issue, you'll wonder why architecture take so much effort and money to graduate yet your future salary will be lower than those 4-year licensed professional engineers. After all, what takes you to pass all through these challenges is the passion of architecture. If youre that kind of person, you'll do your best and appreciate your works even though the financial payout is low. As students however, you must learn to love exposed concrete and understand why- or else you'll just graduate and work as draftsman, complaining why you take architecture in the first place.
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post Jun 17 2009, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(biancalarainechan @ Jun 16 2009, 11:52 PM)
thanks, you helped a lot on a few decisions i was going to make. first, i was offered the star education scholarship for 3 yrs of diploma in architecture in unity, but i was stupid enough to reject it because i thought it would be better to do foundation and then straight to degree, so i applied for Bsc(HONS) in UCSI ( i was kinda attratcted to the facilities and etc ) and now that i know its not an accredited institute, im back to square one. UNITY. so i applied back to unity,
thank god they still offer me scholarship.
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You better be sure with the decision you are taking. by going with diploma in unity youll need to take 7 years (3 years in unity and another 4 in utm) to complete your B.Arch. and ASSUMING you will be accepted into second year of utm. that's a big risk to take. I'm not sure but if youre going for diploma its much safer to take utm's diploma directly, which will take you 6 years into b.arch assuming you pass all the semesters.

but if I were you, I will take the degree (w/ foundation) whether if its ucsi, taylors or lkw, degree in either way is still better than a diploma. with a degree in your hand, at least you can apply into 4th year in public unis to patch your way to a part II, is that correct, azarimy?

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post Jun 17 2009, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 17 2009, 08:33 AM)
bah, i miscounted. i wanted to be the first poster in page 100 tongue.gif
it depends on how u look at it. if u take into consideration STPM, the total would still equal to 7 years as well. that's what everybody goes through normally.

diploma has an advantage over part 1 unaccredited degree. with a diploma, u could join an accredited part 1 degree and secure the part 1. if u score ur diploma, u have a better chance of being accepted straight away without having to work for a year or two. keep scoring until u finish part 1, and u'll sail through to part 2.

with part 1 unaccredited degree, u still need to sit for the part 1 before u can go for part 2. assume that u finish in march/april, u have about 3 months to sit for the LAM part 1 exam AND apply for the part 2 degree that should start in july. most people just resort to overseas degree.
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I'm a bit confused in terms of the course period here;
assuming one gets out from o-levels

diploma (3 years) -> second year B.Arch (4 years); totalling 7 years
foundation (1 year) -> Bsc Arch (3 years) -> B Arch ( 2 years); totalling 6 years

As far as I know, graduation for Bsc Arch is in the decs; and if the intake is in june then there would be 6 months for part I exam, isnt it?


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