is it possible to start with part 2 without taking part 1??

that's a simple and straighforward no.

not legally at is.

can someone recommend me good university to study architecture in malaysia?

define "good".

a well known university and has a good courses

in no particular order:

UTM, UM, USM, UiTM, UKM, UIAM and UPM.

ok thanks and is Limkokwing University of Creative Technology good or not ?

it's good enough, but its reputation has gone down as compared to taylor's or UCSI.

There is a B.Arch. course at KLIUC, the only full Architecture degree course in an IPTS.
It is very new and not accredited of course. Anyone has heard anything about the course?
The uni should have some backing from the gomen, being related to IKRAM and JKR.
I'm sure the course would be in great demand if it gets accredited. Even if it's not, it would be the cheapest option to get a B.Arch (besides UTM's SPACE programme).

Those twinning programs with overseas unis offered by the IPTS (Taylors, LUCT, etc) are not accredited anyway.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 17 2010, 02:59 PM

actually LUCT have started their BArch programme this year as well. and IUCTT have conducted their BArch programme i think since 5 years ago (refer to 1st page) in conjunction with UTM.

but at the moment, none have achieved accreditation. taylor's was the closest.

Closest... meaning? Do you mean they almost make it?
How's the quality of the course at KLIUC? Have a friend exploring the various options at the IPTS.

The overseas route through IPTS are so expensive and all are not accredited. There isn't much of choice is there?
I'd say it's not a wise economic decision to take the IPTS route nowadays. Heavy investment with low and slow return. Truth is, architecture graduates nowadays are not getting better pay than say a graduate from a three year degree course....well, not much better.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 17 2010, 04:29 PM

almost made it, yeah. but i'm not sure what exactly was it that made it not there yet. KLIUC is pretty new. if i recall correctly, their most senior batch is 3rd year. for accreditation process to begin, they must have produced at least 1 batch.

agreed on the IPTS route. heck, even in UTM we've already adopted the BIM route to enhance our graduates' prospects.

BIM as in Building Information Modelling? How does it enhance the graduates's prospects?

BIM is still limiting/restrictive;

We were under one particularly very experienced lecturer this semester for studio, & he knows BIM, had used it, & is even a master of it; however, he easily resorted back to 'pencil & butter paper' mentioning that the traditional method still works the best. He proved it too; (it was really impressive...). There were so many things/design aspects which BIM still just couldn't perform, or perform well... (Right now, BIM is still plaque with many limitations) - We are still being dependent on the IT guys for their progress to be able to take our designs one-step further.

I've used BIM, and it was certainly very "design limiting" & restrictive. (You can't do much in terms of design.)

Ditch BIM, & bring along instead a high-quality clutch-pencil loaded with 7B graphite lead & proof yourself the Master.


P.S., to add;

If you must use a software, then SketchUp-Pro (unlike the others) is the most ideal/favorable software for architecture (while the others might also lead you to think so); it is anytime better than BIM in terms of designing capability.

Contrary to the advertisement on the packages of various BIM softwares claiming that (the software) is for architects/designers; BIM softwares are just marketing, at least for now. (It is just so what a designing based software shouldn't be like.) BIM softwares are very rigid, requiring you to understand & "design" under a hard & fixed-set of rules. You are just not allowed to freely design. You need to know how the software works before you can get anywhere. It takes a lot of patience to figure out "how to get it done" and all. You just can't straightaway jump into a BIM software & start designing; unlike with softwares like SketchUp or 3Ds Max, where you can just straightaway draw, model, see the results, & edit. (BIM requires you to input the correct set of data 1st & then fully understand how it all works before design-deployment; or the result would just screw up/give error messages.. This applies to every aspect of design in a BIM software) It can end up taking very long to get something right just when the thing could easily be achieved with softwares like 3Ds Max or SketchUp in a breeze. BIM is just lacking in flexibility; it doesn't allows much room for creativity.

BIM also takes a totally different approach to designing; away from the "tradition" of designing which all architects including us have been using in design studios up to this very day. (As such, be ready to completely change the way you design.) It may be harder or easier; it depends. But one thing is for sure, you won't be having as much freedom & flexibility in design/designing as you once have, and were so used to. (Just be prepared to spend half the time often trying to figure out how to get your designs to work out & materialize instead - just when you were so used to working smoothly & finishing quickly in 3Ds Max/SketchUp, and then also get used to living with the various limitations.)

Finally (IMHO), BIM should be left as an "option" for students to explore; it won't be ideal at all to "shove" it down their throats, as it would simply "kill-off" (terminate) their potentials as designers. BIM is more ideal for those who already have "sufficient knowledge & experience" in architecture, who would just like to use BIM as a "Tool" to complement their work-flow and nothing more. (BIM softwares also tend to be rather unforgiving when it comes to interoperability.)

As such, it wasn't too surprising to hear that some architecture schools have actually banned the use of BIM softwares in design studios. (But it is also not ideal to go to this extreme.)

Last but not least, if you are now feeling lost, confused, or in-doubt, then go and purchase yourself a good quality clutch-pencil, fit in a 6B/7B high quality graphite lead, grab a stack of butter paper, & now you have the best method of designing in the studio! (Nothing can ever go wrong with that! )

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Dec 18 2010, 07:14 AM

u used BIM for designing? it's not what it's for, son.

BIM is for integrating the work. u'll be able to do a wider range of work in limited time with less assistance from the support group (technical assistant, architect assistant, draftperson etc). at the same time, u'll have a wider capability in making decisions regarding structural, M&E, costings or even the BQ without having to wait for the respective professionals to decide them for u.

u dont really use them during designing stage, are u?

with BIM, the graduate will have less reliance on their underlings and more capable of becoming an independent agent. and what office could resist having a staff that could do 2-3 workers' job?

Attempted to use BIM for designing, but ended up instead producing designs that were incredibly boring, meaningless, or unremarkable. (It shouldn't be surprising.)

(To students): The best method in the design process is to start by making a model of your design idea (by using thin materials that can be cut quickly); you may end up making a few study/conceptual models (it depends) before the final model. (This was what I did last sem for my final project, and got an A+ for it.)

On the other hand, I did hell lots of painful work using BIM this sem and only got a "less than ideal grade".. Most of the students who used SketchUp for their work got pretty good to stellar grades.. (That's because it is so much easier to design in SketchUp, while I was using some of the most rigid software a.k.a. BIM for designing. )

SketchUp seems to be everything BTW.. It can be used for drawing/sketching, modeling, & even rendering; and uses less memory & processing power than 3Ds Max for rendering. (One of the BIM softwares on the other hand severely crashed & corrupted my system few days ago & forced me to repair my windows installation.. BIM softwares tend to be very heavy & resource demanding; it will slow down the entire system.)

BTW, Ecotect Analysis & the Navisworks series are good. Then there is also a whole bunch of other BIM "fascist" softwares where the more popular ones are Chief Architect, Rhinoceros, PowerCadd, Solidworks, TurboCad, VectorWorks, Archimedes, Architrion, ArrisCad, CADsoft, FormZ, Softplan, & the Bentley Microstation series as such. (There are many many more out there, but all of them tend to be rather "fascist"; each having their own unique advantages & shortcomings..)

Regards.

well, here in UTM we've used sketchup since it's first inception. however, over reliance of beautiful shapes and spectacular drawings still failed to mask the hardcore essence of architecture - the designs must be eventually buildable and the designer must have the full capabilities of realizing it.

hence BIM are only taught at upper years, at the moment only at 4th year levels and above, where they are capable of designing on the fly. so they will spend more time to make the building work - for example, if the aircond ducting would intersect a low beam as it jots out of the AHU, or if the core design is optimized for fire escapes and those kinda things.

these are the stuff that BIM greatly assists. u dont have to call the engineer to figure out if the cantilever u're doing is buildable or not, the software assists u with it. and sketchup doesnt do that. sketchup is a substitute for the pencil, it assumes u've already got enough knowledge in ur design vocabulary to produce the design.

I understand & agree that at the upper years, designing code compliance buildings becomes necessary; as such, BIM would have its place then.

On the other hand, at the earlier years, the "design" & "aesthetics" are always of the uttermost importance; hence, having a flexible approach of designing becomes crucial. As such, flexible designing softwares like SketchUp becomes handy.

Even then at the upper years, students should not be depending entirely on BIM. (Unless all they wanna design is just "run of the mill" buildings..) BIM is no substitute for "pencil & butter paper" and the other traditional means at the early stage.

Anyway, I'll be really interested to see some of the BIM works produced by UTM students when they are available.

Regards.

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Added on December 22, 2010, 4:31 amFYI, would like to strongly caution that depending too much on BIM would end up producing results like the following;

http://www.morningside-heights.net/lawani.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7670590.stm
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/worlds-top-10...81120-6c5o.html
http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/the-...houston-192416/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/5094860.stm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/netmonkey/205279106/
http://gridskipper.com/archives/categories...t_buildings.php
http://gothamist.com/2010/07/05/ugly_build...y0Pic=5#gallery

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-...n=Gallery&ino=6
http://dailygumboot.ca/2010/07/the-worlds-ugliest-buildings/
http://gridskipper.com/archives/entries/057/57328.php
http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2003/11...t_architecture/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38167147@N02/...in/pool-conarch
http://www.myhumors99.com/2010/12/12-of-wo...-buildings.html

(Was looking through a list of "ugliest" buildings ever build.)

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Dec 22 2010, 04:46 AM

I found all the buildings u posted not ugly at all.

can i study landscape architecture after studying architecture?
say master of landscape architecture or urban planning