Sigh...Let's get this straight...

PART 1 & 2...it doesn't matter where you get them. Say, if you get Part 1 & 2 from Melbourne U, or Curtin U, or AA or wherever...as long as PAM recognizes it, you are accredited with PART 1 & 2 PAM. Note that usually more than an institute would recognize that qualification. RAIA (Royal Australian Institute of Architects) would recognize Melbourne U as well. So would RIBA (Royal British Institute of Architects). It has NOTHING to do with PART 3. It merely means you are qualified for PART 1 & 2 in Australia, Malaysia and Britain (and whichever country's institute of architects that accredited Melbourne U). You DO NOT need to sit for PART 1 & 2 exams within Malaysia or Australia or Britain (and whichever country's institute of architects that accredited Melbourne U).

Note that, usually, when a country's institute accredit that particular Uni for PART 1 & 2, that country's board would do the same as well. In Malaysia's case, LAM. BUT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. Just usually. Check their website for a list of accreditted schools. Melbourne U is accreditted by LAM & PAM. So far, my bosses had told me that a graduate from universities that LAM accredits would not have any problem sitting for LAM Part 3.

Part 3 is different. Institute can do nothing on Part 3. Only the Board, in Malaysia's case, LAM, would be the one to register you as a Professional Architect. And you can only get Part 3 by sitting for exams within that particular country. Say for example, you get Part 1 & 2 in Melbourne U, you can sit for Part 3 exams in Australia and Malaysia (not sure about Britain). Note that if you are not Malaysian, you wouldn't be able to sit for exam within Malaysia because of our dasar-tutup-pintu. That is not the case in Australia and Britain - if I'm not mistaken. Azarimy, correct me if I'm wrong.

Malaysia
LAM - The board that sets the rule, etc. and the one that you need to register with...the governing body. You need to register to practice in Malaysia...
PAM - It's just an institute...just like Persatuan Bulan Sabit Merah...just that it is for Architects. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as PAM accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Malaysia) to enter though.

Australia
AACA - Actually there are several boards within Australia, South, Western, etc. You need to register with each of them to practice at their jurisdiction.
RAIA - Institute as well...like Pengakap. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as RAIA accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Australia) to enter though.

Britain
ARB - The board, the government, the law, etc.
RIBA - Institute, like Girl's Scout. You need to be an undergraduate in an accredited or recognized school (anywhere in the world as long as RIBA accredits/recognizes), or have Part 1, 2, or 3 (Britain) to enter though.


So, simply put, if you finish your Part 1 & 2 in Melbourne University, you are accredited with Part 1 & 2 PAM & LAM, RAIA & AACA (not sure which jurisdiction) and RIBA (not sure about ARB though). You can sit for Part 3 in Malaysia (under LAM) and Australia (under AACA or whichever jurisdiction Melbourne is under). Not sure about Britain though.


Coming back to Malaysia to work? Well, Malaysia has lots of opportunity. But currently, it is still the Chinamen busniess model at play, that's quickly design, quickly build route. Don't care much about design, arts, etc. Just want a building for profit to come in...whether it's residential, industrial, commercial, etc. So, you like that scenario? It's changing, but at a slow pace. More and more architects have a say...but only a few. Even the contractors don't respect architects much. You like that in Malaysia? That is just 1% of the problem. There are many problems as well, such as planners trying to rob our architect's rights.

In Britain, the architects have the ultimate authority. The contractors have to follow the architect and the clients usually respect the architects, because the architects is A GOD-DAMN PROFESSIONAL WHO KNOW HIS GOD-DAMN TRADE FOR HE/SHE HAD STUDIED, RESEARCHED, WORKED, LIVED, AND SACRIFICED FOR THAT FIELD FOR A DAMN @#$%^& PERIOD compared to the client. So, your choice: a place where you are respected and get to design albeit less work (due to Britain/Australia being well developed) or; a place where you are everyone else's kuli and have lots of jobs in hand...


Sorry...too emotional

This post has been edited by clayclws: Feb 18 2008, 01:55 AM

just a slight correction:

if u dont hold a LAM part 2, u cant sit for LAM part 3. if u've got RIBA part 2, u need to register for ur LAM part 2. the registration process is straightforward 2 steps:

i. a showcase of portfolio
ii. a brief interview

this is to ensure ur RIBA part 2 is really up to par. we dont want a RIBA part 2 with sub-2.00cgpa, if u know what i mean. if LAM is satisfied, u'll be registered as a part 2 architect, and ready to start ur LAM part 3. but if LAM is not satisfied with ur part 2 (in case of twinning programmes and such), they will require u to sit for an exam, usually in the form of assignment/logbook as well as written.

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Added on February 18, 2008, 1:58 am

well, that's due to a turn-key / design-and-build methodology that we've adapted in order to cut the red tape. it's not necessarily bad. but most of the time people rather cut the design process short and not the construction process. this is the problem.



well, not exactly so in the UK. remember that in the UK, ANYBODY can submit. so who needs architects? haha.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Feb 18 2008, 01:58 AM

Azarimy...since u're from UTM...what is ur opinion of fresh graduate of architecture part II start working in Singapore?

1. Yeah...and there's the unethical architects...
2. Yeah...so I've heard. But more people appreciate good design in UK than in Malaysia.

in a way, architectural practice in the UK is very much an expert service provider. meaning, anyone can design their own house, but when they submit, they'll have lots of things to consider like construction, buildability and most importantly - liability. but if they wanna make their lives easier, hire an architect.

something like, anybody can repair their plumbing in their house given time and determination, but to make ur life easier, just hire a plumber.

albirri,

fresh graduates working in singapore? err, good lah! i'd support anyone who're keen to widen their horizons first before settling to work in malaysia for good. most of my friends are working overseas: singapore, UK, US, china/hongkong as well as the middle-east. although quite a few of them have already starting to move back to msia...

OMG...you compared us to a plumber

Anyway, I get what you mean. But surely there is a better comparison than a plumber now...

believe me, that's what people in the UK compares architects to. either that, or the design whore. take ur pick LOL.

Haha~! That won't stop me from going there

UK...I think AA is the best...which school r u going?

Huh? Going there to work lah...not studying.

Sorry...interrupting in the middle...My senior went there last July. She's in Manchester now...She worked here for three years at T.R Hamzah & Yeang and she is one of the best staff and Dr. Ken Yeang really like her...

ken yeang likes ALL girls .

anyways, there are several good schools for architecture studies in the UK. AA and bartlett are pretty strong in undergraduate studies, and focus on theories and design explorations. cambridge, sheffield and edinburgh are very strong in research, making them the best post-grad archi schools in the UK.

there are also schools which has their own specializations that some of the top schools arent that good in. for example, bath has the best conservation/archaeological research, strathclyde in architectural computings and so on.

OT: id dr ken yeang married ? lolx

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Added on February 18, 2008, 6:22 amgood luck senior !

This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 18 2008, 06:22 AM

Dr. Ken like her as one of the best staff he ever had...this girl won a few international competition and very hardworking. That's why this lady actually (already married) was put in the contract admin in TR Hamzah & Yeang. Actually I was in TR Hamzah also for my practical training...hehe

albirri, which Uni or Col are you from? Which year? You seem to admire Yeang so much...

I'm from UIAM...Now in final year, my part II. Bachelor of Architecture. I got about a month to finish up my thesis..."International Watersports Complex at Pulau Duyong, Kuala Terengganu"..not really admire him, but kinda like his bioclimatic and sustainable approach...

i like dr ken yeang also; maybe it is his age now; the age of sustainability

clayclws,

I really thank you a lot for your great informations.

Finally, I also understood what azarimy was trying to tell me about LAM/PAM.

In the end, I know that I would just need to be good in my Architectural studies, or else, I would just need to sit for the LAM/PAM Part I and Part II exams in order to qualify for legal Architectural practices in Malaysia.

As for the Part III, I can just come back and work for it in Malaysia if I want to.

As always, my advice would be, work overseas, get enough experience and good portfolio first before coming back. You may want to evaluate Malaysia's current architectural scene at that moment before coming back. If everything is ok, then, come back.

Actually, i want to make a statement. i am in dilemma but now i've solve it. I was a spm leaver and now in dilemma in choosing course for my future. After a lot of thinking, i finally will choose architecture. I was attracted with engineering, actuary, and architecture. I was attracted 2 actuary because of the high pay when working. But, mathematics is really not my stuff. Then i don't want to choose actuary because i dun want to spend my working life in misery because of something i'm not interested (if i ever pass the course). So i go back to my first choice which is architecture and engineering. But now i'm kinda stuck between this two. During in high school, i choose technical science stream. Manage to get good grades in my engineering drawing which my marks is always 90+. But i'm not good in drawing/art. i'm interested in art lyk anime,manga,n many more. just that i can't draw well.So, i kinda stuck to engineering because engineering is one of my choice too. But, i always thinking if malaysia is flooded by engineer. I wanted to be automotive engineer. but in malaysia there is no R&D going on for foreign company. They only do assembly. I'm interested to get involve in making, designing, and anything on clean/environmental friendly car. So i want to ask your guys opinion. I wanted to create something not just sit in the office and do some quality checking. I wanted to use anything i've learn so that all my hard work learning wouldn't wasted just like that.

1. Architecture: i'm good in engineering drawing, and engineering technology. Interested in anything that include building, or something that i create for other people benefit. But, i can;t draw. i have interest in drawing and art.
So, i want to ask:
a)what is the worldwide demand for architects in the next 5-10 years?
b)can i really put my skill on the creation or just be someone puppet/robot when i'm working?
c)the most important, do you think architect salary in malaysia is underpaid or nice?
d)job chances for working oversea? i want to exchange idea with other people.

2. Mechanical/automotive engineering: i'm also quite good in my engineering technology. My dream is to build something which can be useful in human life and the earth.
So, i want to ask:
a)what is the worldwide demand for mechanical/automotive engineering in the next 5-10 years?
b)can i really put my skill on the creation or just be someone puppet/robot when i'm working?
c)the most important, do you think mechanical/automotive engineer salary in malaysia is underpaid or nice?
d)job chances for working oversea? i want to exchange idea with other people.

Please help me. i'm in dilemma right now.

Edited: I can draw, just not very good at it. Can i improve my skill since i'll be 18 this march?

This post has been edited by destroyer: Feb 20 2008, 04:39 PM