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cause the client is a guy.☆Fellowship of the Strings☆Violin,Viola,Cello etc., ~String Instruments Lovers are welcome!~
☆Fellowship of the Strings☆Violin,Viola,Cello etc., ~String Instruments Lovers are welcome!~
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Jan 4 2011, 02:20 AM
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Jan 4 2011, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(liez @ Jan 3 2011, 10:51 PM) hey dey....juz wanna share with you guys the new bow I just got.... its a brand called dorfler made from pernambuco wood. I'd spent my last 6 months working like hell and save like hell just to get this bow. Nice, congratulation Weight: heavy - As I loved heavy bows since I prefer songs from the romantic period. I need heavy bow to give much more expression than usual. smoothness: not smooth - volume: sure dam loud.... spiccato: yea....can do spiccato albeit its heavy but had to control the bow really well as compared to light bows where you can do it easily. price: about RM3k (RM2900++) This is my first pernambuco bow... Well, quite like it but tbh its far from the high end bow that I dreamed of. Its good in playing romantic period song... but one has to control it really well to play the likes of classical and 20th centuries. Could i know how do you choose the bow? like do you tried it out before buying? or try a few or many bows of the same model? and do you buy personally or from internet? thanks and enjoy your new toy |
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Jan 4 2011, 12:51 PM
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i used to have one gold mounted E.Dorfler that i bought for about RM4400, but it was around 7 years ago. sold it earlier last year for slightly under RM4000...
it was a very balanced bow with very good sound, but having the same "problem" that it's being on the heavy side, and not very smooth. bought an old french bow for RM2700+- that sound 10x nicer and very smooth on strings, with very bold volume yet on the light weight side. |
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Jan 4 2011, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(ollec @ Jan 4 2011, 10:02 AM) Nice, congratulation of course I tried my bow before I bought it. I hope you do the same. lol. In fact, I borrowed it from the seller for 1 whole week just to test it everyday. Besides taht, I am not a really good bow inspector so I took it for a few friends to inspect... Everyone had different comments ler.... One said not that good, heavy and not smooth... the other said its perfect bow for the price.Could i know how do you choose the bow? like do you tried it out before buying? or try a few or many bows of the same model? and do you buy personally or from internet? thanks and enjoy your new toy how do I choose my bow...hmm... I just told the seller to show me some pernambuco wood violin bow.... He didnt have many....I choose the heavier one (Of course there are even heavier ones) As I said I like heavier bow although light bows are easier to control. now to choose a bow (this is not a pro advice ler...juz my personal opinion and experience....i sark at bow lol) .... most importantly you look at the wood...its important that a bow must at least have a quality wood like pernambuco .... to me that's all I care for. But for others, they might also look at the screw, the frog and the pastille as these all play a part in determining the value of a violin bow. ![]() dorfler is a worldwide known brand as the family had been in bow business for 3 generations. here's a website that you can actually learn abit about bows. Many learners choose no to pay too much attenttion to the quality of a bow but the fact is bow is as important a good violin. http://www.doerfler-bows.com/data/products.html QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 12:51 PM) i used to have one gold mounted E.Dorfler that i bought for about RM4400, but it was around 7 years ago. sold it earlier last year for slightly under RM4000... oO yea...forgot to add.... as a side note.... it does not necessary mean the more expensive a bow is, the better it is...I once got a RM600 bow borrowed from my previous teacher works better than any other bow I'd tried in my life time...too bad, he took the bow back if not I would have very wanted to buy from him.it was a very balanced bow with very good sound, but having the same "problem" that it's being on the heavy side, and not very smooth. bought an old french bow for RM2700+- that sound 10x nicer and very smooth on strings, with very bold volume yet on the light weight side. and not necessary a bow with good wood and hair will be a good bow.... the most important part is that you can control the bow well, fully utilize the bow's potential to its max and can do spiccato with it. good pastille, frog, screw....all those raise the price of a bow although I had been scratching head asking why.... a lady offered me a bow with good pastille and frog for RM3k but the quality just somewhere around RM1k bow This post has been edited by liez: Jan 4 2011, 01:32 PM |
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Jan 4 2011, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(liez @ Jan 4 2011, 01:23 PM) oO yea...forgot to add.... as a side note.... it does not necessary mean the more expensive a bow is, the better it is...I once got a RM600 bow borrowed from my previous teacher works better than any other bow I'd tried in my life time...too bad, he took the bow back if not I would have very wanted to buy from him. oh looks like i bought a junk. and not necessary a bow with good wood and hair will be a good bow.... the most important part is that you can control the bow well, fully utilize the bow's potential to its max and can do spiccato with it. good pastille, frog, screw....all those raise the price of a bow although I had been scratching head asking why.... a lady offered me a bow with good pastille and frog for RM3k but the quality just somewhere around RM1k bow i reckon that liez is a more capable and knowledgeable person than i am. everybody should listen to him from now on. This post has been edited by little ice: Jan 4 2011, 05:59 PM |
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Jan 4 2011, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 3 2011, 03:10 PM) 3 years sharp, i actually prepared my grade 8 pieces at the beginning of 3rd year, or was it like around 8 months before the exam? I don't know how do you managed to do this but this is too incredible !to be fair, before i started the violin i already had good deal of musical trainings in general since 4 years old, as well as grade 8 in piano. so i can just focus on everything about violin, and sight reading was extra easy cause mainly just single line melody. then, teacher and environment played a big role as a whole. my teacher is that kind of "the more you hardworking the faster you learn" kind of teacher, means, he will NEVER reserve any inputs for the students. if the student is ready, he'll straight spoon feed all kinds of necessary things to student. whether the student want to follow and practice hard, it's up to the student. back then, i was a full time music student too, so i have free time to practice all day long, and people around me are all being competitive (in a good way) so i was kiasu and practiced hard. not to say my teacher is suitable to everybody, obviously i reckon finding the right teacher is essential as a starting point, hence i highly recommend my teacher. mind you, i'm not his only student to scored grade 8 under 3 years. I assume your violin teacher is professional... Well mine's not. She's studying diploma music don't know majoring what lah... But she's not a very good teacher. If I want to take professional teacher, it's like RM100 half an hour lesson. And my family couldn't afford that. Nevertheless, I found a violin centre which provides semi-professional violin classes priced at RM160 per month for Grade 1,2 and 3 while RM240 at Grade 4,5 and 6. Grade 7 and 8 is very very expensive. But I still couldn't afford. At least I do practiced for hours a day, but still I can't improve... QUOTE(liez @ Jan 3 2011, 10:51 PM) hey dey....juz wanna share with you guys the new bow I just got.... its a brand called dorfler made from pernambuco wood. I'd spent my last 6 months working like hell and save like hell just to get this bow. This guy is crazy !!! Really ! 16 months...... Unbelievable..![]() ![]() I had a student who finished Grade 8 in 16 months, believe it or not. of course, I wasn't the one who guided him for 16 months fully.... He enrolled in April. he has Grade 6 piano and good ears ( dun relaly know whether its perfect pitch anot, but if it isn't then he has really good relative pitch). In April, that was my mum started to guide in all the basics...how to hold violin etc... then he finished grade 1 scale in 1st month, then started to play grade 2 and 3 songs in 2nd month.... It was in August, I started to guide him... my philosophy in training student is 50% scale, 40% studies and 10 % songs. it means I will focus alot on scale and studies. here's the deal. If you are grade 3 onwards...you should start playing kayser (a study) and focus more on 3rd position (try to familiarize your third position by continuously playing C major on 3rd position) so in August, I trained his 2nd position...it took him 2 months to master 2nd position, at the same time, I make him master his Grade 5 scale. So for his studies, he played Kayser, positional study (a china book that let you master different position)...songs? I used suzuki ... In November, he registered for his Grade 5 exam. In November itself, I started his Grade 8 scale ( to those who are doing Grade 8 now or done it....you will know only one word can be referred to Grade 8 scale- HELL ) . Its hard but he didnt give up.... I will wanna cry out if I was him. he is a tough guy at the age of 17 at that time. In December....I realized he mastered half of his Grade 8 scale.... I made him registered for his grade 8 exam. now as a tutor...I realized...I have only 8 months to prepare for his grade 5 and 8 exam.... He finished most of grade 8 scale in January and I started his first piece of grade 8 song. but then I stop. I further trained and try to perfect only his scale and studies..... In February, I passed him to my teacher who got a shock when he knew that hes gonna take grade 8.... my teacher keep on saying he's not gonna make it for some times.... I said... he is not a skipper....he's got basics....that was what I had been training him for the past 6 months. Through hard work....He passed his grade 5 (which he didnt care at all ...lol) and grade 8.... now this student....how did he make it? -he practised about 6-8 hours a day. -he got good ears -he's discipline and determine -he listen to his tutor and so he practised nothing but basic..... -he did studies....after he went to my teacher. my teacher gave him kreutzer (another more difficult study). and I became his friend eventually and lend him some of my studies....including Hrimaly, sevcik...etc. see? everything is possible...but practise is a must! It was 2nd month already and I played Grade 2 songs... Still cannot play very well... What the hell your student is very diligent I guess I can't be like him...... I think it's my teacher's lazy attitude.... Sigh.. I really should change a teacher YET AGAIN. |
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Jan 4 2011, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(DavidAw @ Jan 1 2011, 08:35 PM) got it for 900...apparently they changed the strings to something tat's about 140 and also gave a rm19 rosin Initially, thought wanted to follow your footsteps...but now, when people started talking about rm3k bow.... |
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Jan 4 2011, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 4 2011, 07:11 PM) If I want to take professional teacher, it's like RM100 half an hour lesson. my teacher charge RM100 per hour. although i don't recommend, if financial is an issue, he's able to give you lesson per 2 weeks, so it's about RM200 per month, regardless of what grade you're in. he don't do 30mins per week lesson though.And my family couldn't afford that. but since liez has produced a record breaking grade 8 holder. why don't you try to learn under him? QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 4 2011, 07:11 PM) i reckon that you don't get carried away too much by all these grading things. acquiring a certain grade only means the player can play those 3 exam pieces, scales, and others that're required in the exam. no more, no less. in the professional world, examination board gradings are practically meaningless. it's about either one can play, or not. |
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Jan 4 2011, 08:57 PM
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dont waste time la about all these grade 8 la..diploma la..whatever la. so many people with diploma cant even play by ear! Must have a score in front of them. NO score...cant play. Really meaningless!
Sure...you learn the rudiments and 'proper' technique...but beyond the silly 3 exam pieces and scales a year...whaty good is spending so much money just to get the paper?? I have seen so many people like these. If you think I am not qualified to say this...you can ask little ice. He can tell you whether I am qualified or not. |
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Jan 4 2011, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 05:42 PM) i reckon that liez is a more capable and knowledgeable person than i am. everybody should listen to him from now on. huh? I thought this is a forum. Its better to have the more knowledge, the merrier it is right? QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 4 2011, 07:11 PM) This guy is crazy !!! Really ! 16 months...... Unbelievable.. with correct daily basic exercise and hours of hardwork practise everyday, ok lar...and at least some good ears lar... its achievable.It was 2nd month already and I played Grade 2 songs... Still cannot play very well... What the hell your student is very diligent I guess I can't be like him...... I think it's my teacher's lazy attitude.... Sigh.. I really should change a teacher YET AGAIN. -its not diligence that achieve you something, its hardwork and proper guidance. and try not to give too much attention to examination songs that you are playing... Its the basics that you have to do well. Normally we can't paly well a song becoz we have yet to adapt to the necessary skills involved in the piece. e.g: fingers strength, shifting, fingers movement, and most importantly intonation and bow controlling. QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 07:51 PM) my teacher charge RM100 per hour. although i don't recommend, if financial is an issue, he's able to give you lesson per 2 weeks, so it's about RM200 per month, regardless of what grade you're in. he don't do 30mins per week lesson though. I dunno whether its record breaking or not. Coz as far as I am concerned, there are more students than I know had achieved this feat. I know guys at my age who finished piano grade 8 in 2 years, a few more who finished grade 8 in 1 year. I did not break the record and the grade 8 student I mentioned earlier was not completed by me alone. And I can't guarantee to achieve this feat to anyone who comes to me. If I am able to, I would probably be millionaire now. Fact is, I am not too fierce type of teacher thus resulting about 80% of my students don't practice their violin/piano. But if they do, I will give them what they need of course. but since liez has produced a record breaking grade 8 holder. why don't you try to learn under him? i reckon that you don't get carried away too much by all these grading things. acquiring a certain grade only means the player can play those 3 exam pieces, scales, and others that're required in the exam. no more, no less. in the professional world, examination board gradings are practically meaningless. it's about either one can play, or not. its not the tutor who produce a good student. with a decent hearing student who practices violin as you told him and with proper method, even you can produce one. Serious. This post has been edited by liez: Jan 4 2011, 09:57 PM |
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Jan 4 2011, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(liez @ Jan 4 2011, 09:49 PM) with a decent hearing student who practices violin as you told him and with proper method, even you can produce one. i don't like the idea of rushing for exams. the reason is very simple, i've seen so many yada yada certs holder who cannot play something decent. it seem that this phenomenon is getting worse each year. i'd rather produce a student who can really play, than who can pass exams. it's easy to pass exams, but it's difficult to impress the audiences. |
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Jan 4 2011, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 11:16 PM) i don't like the idea of rushing for exams. the reason is very simple, i've seen so many yada yada certs holder who cannot play something decent. it seem that this phenomenon is getting worse each year. I did that but if the parent kept on pressuring, there will be no choice. So it depends some times, i don't rush them for examinations but if they do want that grade, with the necessary skills, I will try to help them to achieve it.i'd rather produce a student who can really play, than who can pass exams. it's easy to pass exams, but it's difficult to impress the audiences. |
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Jan 5 2011, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 07:51 PM) my teacher charge RM100 per hour. although i don't recommend, if financial is an issue, he's able to give you lesson per 2 weeks, so it's about RM200 per month, regardless of what grade you're in. he don't do 30mins per week lesson though. i'm trying to use abrsm grades as a references only. in fact, i am not planning to take any exams except for grade 5 and grade 8.but since liez has produced a record breaking grade 8 holder. why don't you try to learn under him? i reckon that you don't get carried away too much by all these grading things. acquiring a certain grade only means the player can play those 3 exam pieces, scales, and others that're required in the exam. no more, no less. in the professional world, examination board gradings are practically meaningless. it's about either one can play, or not. maybe i can consider hehehe QUOTE(empire @ Jan 4 2011, 08:57 PM) dont waste time la about all these grade 8 la..diploma la..whatever la. so many people with diploma cant even play by ear! Must have a score in front of them. NO score...cant play. Really meaningless! well i don't suppose i have a pair of good ears... but i realized when the tone is too flat or too sharp.Sure...you learn the rudiments and 'proper' technique...but beyond the silly 3 exam pieces and scales a year...whaty good is spending so much money just to get the paper?? I have seen so many people like these. If you think I am not qualified to say this...you can ask little ice. He can tell you whether I am qualified or not. and i know how to tune my violin by sitting in front of my piano haha (no tuner) . i can guess a note but doesn't guaranteed correct everytime. but i still don't know how to listen to perfect fifths on violin. QUOTE(liez @ Jan 4 2011, 09:49 PM) huh? I thought this is a forum. Its better to have the more knowledge, the merrier it is right? i don't tend to break record... because... i feel that it really was too fast......with correct daily basic exercise and hours of hardwork practise everyday, ok lar...and at least some good ears lar... its achievable. -its not diligence that achieve you something, its hardwork and proper guidance. and try not to give too much attention to examination songs that you are playing... Its the basics that you have to do well. Normally we can't paly well a song becoz we have yet to adapt to the necessary skills involved in the piece. e.g: fingers strength, shifting, fingers movement, and most importantly intonation and bow controlling. I dunno whether its record breaking or not. Coz as far as I am concerned, there are more students than I know had achieved this feat. I know guys at my age who finished piano grade 8 in 2 years, a few more who finished grade 8 in 1 year. I did not break the record and the grade 8 student I mentioned earlier was not completed by me alone. And I can't guarantee to achieve this feat to anyone who comes to me. If I am able to, I would probably be millionaire now. Fact is, I am not too fierce type of teacher thus resulting about 80% of my students don't practice their violin/piano. But if they do, I will give them what they need of course. its not the tutor who produce a good student. with a decent hearing student who practices violin as you told him and with proper method, even you can produce one. Serious. even you have the skills but you don't have any music knowledge/experience it's still like... erm... bad. i prefer to be a concert violinist than a violin soloist... hehehe This post has been edited by Stuffi: Jan 5 2011, 02:13 PM |
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Jan 5 2011, 03:54 PM
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Jan 6 2011, 09:36 PM
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thanks.
but... i don't understand... playing notes and music...? i guess the truth meanings aren't simple right? |
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Jan 6 2011, 11:13 PM
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Jan 6 2011, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 6 2011, 09:36 PM) thanks. playing notes...read the score and play... but... i don't understand... playing notes and music...? i guess the truth meanings aren't simple right? playing music.... read the score, understand the song and play with suitable touch.... many definitions. don't have to care much about those definitions first... just play the violin well is more than enough for lower grade students. all the philosophies should come when you got into Grade 7,8 or diploma. QUOTE(ilovestitch @ Jan 6 2011, 11:13 PM) i have problem interpreting the 4 notes that are arranged vertically.... play which note first or how is their rhythm... someone pls help! from bottom to top. in your case, press B on A string and G on E string...then 'slash' your bow from G to E string at once...lol.... where I personally prefer playing 2 double stop....which is G and D first then B and G....in your score, they like you to do the high G for a 3 counts. This post has been edited by liez: Jan 6 2011, 11:31 PM |
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Jan 6 2011, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(liez @ Jan 6 2011, 11:21 PM) playing notes...read the score and play... but i dun understand the rhythm, is it play openG and openD for 1st beat, then B and high G note for 2nd beat, then high G note alone for 3rd and 4th beats (because this note got 3 beats)? but there is another 4 semi quaver or 1 beat at behind, so total we have 5 beats in first bar?playing music.... read the score, understand the song and play with suitable touch.... many definitions. don't have to care much about those definitions first... just play the violin well is more than enough for lower grade students. all the philosophies should come when you got into Grade 7,8 or diploma. from bottom to top. in your case, press B on A string and G on E string...then 'slash' your bow from G to E string at once...lol.... where I personally prefer playing 2 double stop....which is G and D first then B and G.... in your score, they like you to do the high G for a 3 counts. |
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Jan 7 2011, 12:07 AM
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no need too precise...lol...just play open G, D, B and high G in 1st beat and hold the last note for 3 beats.
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Jan 7 2011, 12:53 AM
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meaning first beat - B note+ high G note, another 2 beats for high G note alone? total high G sustain 3 beats?
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