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 ☆Fellowship of the Strings☆Violin,Viola,Cello etc., ~String Instruments Lovers are welcome!~

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post Jan 15 2009, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 11 2009, 04:52 PM)
hi... could anyone advice where/who i can go to for cello setup?

especially to:

first, see if my bridge is properly done, if not, help redo it

then, see if my sound post if properly located if not help adjusting it

finally, advice me what i can do to make it sounds better.

** of cause what would the cost like to do that?


thanks a lot for any advice given!!!
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post Jan 17 2009, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 15 2009, 03:43 PM)
lol his name is cello but reversed. laugh.gif

anyway becareful not to advice him until be a maniac like me. brows.gif
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Hey little ice, what kind of maniac are you? if i may know tongue.gif

..its better to be a maniac, otherwise, it'll be all too boringggggg.
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post Jul 18 2009, 11:05 PM

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3 packages for cello bugs....


package 1)
33 very informative/useful talks from professional cellist David Finckel..

http://vimeo.com/5066491


package 2)
internet cello society:

http://cello.org/

enjoy the many tips/article section

package 3)
the many forums from the internet cello society:

i especially like the "cello chat", "cello by night", and "equipment and instrument"

http://cellofun.yuku.com/



hope you'll like it smile.gif

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post Jul 21 2009, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(kimmie @ Jul 21 2009, 11:17 AM)
had once tried viola:) very soothing and mellow sound:) unfortunately not much music piece for that instrument in mysia
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hi kimmmie,

download all your viola music here smile.gif

http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_Compositions...uring_the_Viola

and those are not all the viola music on the site,so be patient and crawl through the list smile.gif enjoy!
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post Jul 28 2009, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:37 PM)
OH MAI GOSH! THANKS OLLEC! yays i have more pieces to play. and yea, viola has a more 'bassy' sound, buts its mellow and sexy =D thats what i think.
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welcome, i'm glad you enjoy it, now you probably can play a concerto/sonata written for Viola and Viola alone, not some transposed violin pieces rclxms.gif

anyway, how long have you been playing viola? do you still learn viola in miri now?
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post Jul 29 2009, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Jul 29 2009, 12:06 AM)
i'm currently in KL now studying (not music though), hmm, its my 3rd year playing viola now. Still lots to learn and appreciated =D Wonder is there any small orchestra which i can join here. Don't think my uni has one. hmm...
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wow, playing for 3 years on the viola, you must be loving it a lot. Does that mean viola is your first string instrument? of you play violin also before? i can't imagine parents asking their children to learn piano brows.gif unless they themselves also love it!!

are you still learning viola from a teacher now? is your teacher good? ever plan to take any exam?
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post Aug 3 2009, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(BABIyat @ Aug 2 2009, 07:17 PM)
btw, non of the dealer of US willing to ship a cello to Malaysia xD those that i asked

i wanna ask something:
1) how to know a quality bridge?
or they are just the same? i see many bridges from different countries, does that make any different?

2) under what situation removing the sound post would be advisable?
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Well, the general rule is don't buy from e-bay,

And this reputable string instrument "shop" actually ship to Malaysia, and the 3 month's ago, this is their reply regarding shipping to KL area.

" Shipping is going to run in the neighborhood of $400 USD. I can get you an exact amount if you can supply a shipping address. Delivery would be within 3-5 business days. I assume importing a musical instrument is taxable, as it is in every country we have shipped to so far, but if you call your local customs office they can tell you for sure. Our warranty works the same for you as with any of our domestic clients. Any damage to the instrument that is a direct result of faulty craftsmanship or materials is covered. Shipping back to us is your responsibility, though we take care of the return shipping cost. I will say that of the hundred or more instruments we've sold internationally, none have ever been sent back for any kind of repair, nor do I know of any that have ever required any sort of repair. "

That price is for a cello, so a viola would surely cost less, and the best part is the insurance, so if it breaks on arrival (not DOA smile.gif ), you do not suffer lost.

Where is the "shop" ? here it is http://www.stringworks.com/

There is also a forum in the side, and their salesperson is very friendly. Can give it a try.
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post Aug 3 2009, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Aug 3 2009, 11:26 AM)

actually, the reason behind not buying from ebay is simply the risk of scam. the rest pretty much applied for other online shops - you can't try the instrument so there's risk that you don't like the instrument and need to be returned. so imagine the shipping $400x2, you get the idea.

i've bought 4 violins from ebay, all turned out fine and as described. do i like them? some yes, some no, but i sold those i don't like locally for roughly the same price.
and that's exactly the reason why i don't insure my violin. insurans definitely will cover the lost, but custom will also tax based on the insurans as you need to declare the value. brows.gif
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yes, true, because buying a string instrument is a very personal thing. It's not like a McD buger that taste equally bad day in day out, so when you buy a BigMac, you always know what kind of disappointment you are getting. smile.gif

But every string instrument is unique, and if you can try tens of violin in the shop of a few shops, or ask someone else to play on it, so that you can listen (because it does sounds different when listening to it as a player compare to a listener) that will helps a lot in choosing the right baby. That's just my personal view, and the main reason i didn't buy from stringworks.

Actually stringworks are quite helpful in helping online buyers, you can choose different set up, and they will test (as they are players too) for you if it meets their standard. And you can even request for a particular shade of tone, e.g. a bright one? a dark one? etc etc...

but for me, nothing beats choosing my own baby smile.gif though i know the choices are limited here...
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post Aug 5 2009, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Aug 4 2009, 02:52 PM)
not sure, but the onwer calvin is more experienced.
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Calvin is more experience means he have luthier skill too? thanks
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post Aug 8 2009, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Aug 6 2009, 11:10 PM)
there's no true luthier in malaysia. smile.gif

Calvin can at least repair some work like neck trimming (i've had a good violin but the neck is too wide, need to trim down a little) and he did a good job on that, though the varnishing is not bad too. of course, fitting new bridge and soundpost is not much of a problem. not too sure how deep his knowledge is, so far i don't dare to take my primary violin for anyone in malaysia to do major fixing. while i got my violin trimmed bridge and fitted a new soundpost (by 2 different person), both of damaged my violin's varnish in different way. zzzzz...
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hehe, then would you dare to let them install new pegs? this model that i'm thinking of 'pegheds' involve reaming the existing peg holes to slightly bigger size... i love those pegs, just worry no one here is skillful enough to install them
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post Aug 11 2009, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(BABIyat @ Aug 11 2009, 09:38 AM)
yea  tongue.gif
* is wipe off the rosin after playing

how do you guys clean the strings?
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http://vimeo.com/4495194

use the green nylon scratching pad that you use to clean your cutlery smile.gif look at that video... by Emerson Quartet cellist David Finckel


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QUOTE(ollec @ Aug 11 2009, 11:28 AM)
http://vimeo.com/4495194

use the green nylon scratching pad that you use to clean your cutlery smile.gif look at that video... by Emerson Quartet cellist David Finckel
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Opps...sorry..quoted the wrong video, that one is about applying rosin on cello,

the right video on cleaning cello is here http://vimeo.com/4364518

enjoy smile.gif

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post Aug 12 2009, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Aug 8 2009, 10:27 PM)
calvin might be able to do it, i'm not sure as i never have any experience with him personally or from other people. but the guy at carismen dolce (damansara shopping center) can do a good job on it, but be sure that you really communicate with him very clearly first, and can be expensive to do so...

however, my guess is fitting new pegs need to trim the pegs to fit the hole (given that the holes are properly drilled). you wouldn't want to make the holes bigger as it'll wear out after years of usage, by then it need to be bushed.

lastly, if your pegs are fully functional and problem free, i'd suggest you not to change anything. if it ain't broken, don't fix it. if i'm you, i'd just leave it as it is. beautiful pegs can be pretty on the violin but to me pegs are more important as a tuner and strings holder, and there's no guarantee that you'll like the outcome of the peg fitting works.

PS: even guai lou can do crappy works, i'm not saying all the luthiers in malaysia sux, but given that they don't care about the varnish, i don't see they qualified as a lutheir in my book. but at the moment, looking for them seems to be the best bet.
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hi, "peghed" is not for looking nice and cool, it helps you to tune and prevent slipage which occur more frequently on a cello, and it can totally eliminate the needs of finetuner, allow you to have a tailpiece that is free of additional weight, thus improving the sound (generally speaking).

and "peghed" works by mechanical gear, so you cannot trim that pegs like normal wooden one, so no choice but to ream the peg hole tongue.gif

more info here: http://www.pegheds.com/
(imagine you can do fine tuning by the pegs using your finger without strong wink.gif )

and some discussion by professional cellist about this pegs:

http://cellofun.yuku.com/topic/7799/t/My-a...back-again.html

may be this is the best thing since slice bread tongue.gif, but really, like you say, i worry if anyone local here can install thie **sigh***
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post Aug 18 2009, 11:14 PM

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what do you all think of this violin shop? since it is listed here...the owner mr.wong rite?

Early Music Venture
Old Klang Rd,
Tmn Desa
(PENDING ADD, RECOMMENDED BY CRABJIM)
For violin, & repair et
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post Sep 10 2009, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(ngwinnie @ Sep 7 2009, 11:53 PM)
and how come barenreiter edition RM70 more expensive, is it better? it doesn't have suggested finger notations either compared to the peters one
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barenreiter is considered the best researched edition, and very accurate to the origianl. It has no finger notation because it is the requirement for advance /pro player, where they like to work out the fingering themselves based on their understanding of the music, and their interpretation of the music according to their understanding of the composer. So it is for serious study.

but if you are new, and want to get a taste of how it sounds, it is also good to use edition with fingering from famous player, to imitate how they fingered the piece, and to learn. But ultimately, when you are at a higher level of playing, you would surely have you own view on how to interprete bach, and then it's time to get the brerenreiter smile.gif


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QUOTE(smcg @ Sep 2 2009, 02:16 AM)
yes, i know him and what do u want to know more about that?
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because they are many who posts here talking about chambers and especially Euro String, but not many talked about this shop, and i understand that they sell eastman equipment, which is also a very respectable brand. therefore would like to know more about them if anyone has experienced with them. thanks


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post Jan 16 2010, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(chesterland @ Jan 15 2010, 03:59 PM)
Any sifu here can give some tips on playing good intonation? my teacher said that my intonation problem..somehow i cant really press the right notes sometimes...
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that is very encouraging that you pay attention to intonation, because without that you cannot play at a higher level...good:)

the best advice is to ask your teacher, because no one here can see and hear how you play. And you will receive many advices from experienced users with the best intention. THe problem is this is not something that can be teached by words on a computer screen. A good teacher should be able to train you, help you identify the problem, and even hold your hands and fingers to show you how it is done....

talk to your teacher, or change your teacher if she/he cannot tell you how to improve.
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post Jan 23 2010, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(BelowAverage @ Jan 23 2010, 12:36 AM)
heyhey, lets not start a flamewar!

each is entitled to their own opinion of practice and learning, so nobody is right or wrong.

And mishugina, im pretty startled at your word "noob" in refering to lyn members. you are in no help at all, insulting, and flaming little ice.
if you have your opinion, write it in a good manner, like a musician.

look at empire, eventhou he have different opinion about getting a good intonation, he dont go around using words like b*****, drugs, noob or whatever. he answer it properly, and with mannerism, but straight to his point. that's what i call a good musician!

sorry, i dont respect your way of communicating for now.

if you dont like what you see, and don't want to reply in a manner of a musician, then dont bother at all
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exactly.....and as if Paganini or whoever have played string instrument in the pass 300 years are all out of tune because of a lack tuner. By the way, it is called a tuner, not an "intonationer"....

and try also to understand what is equal temperament and other tuning system...before you give yourself to the compromised world of tuner... keyboard player may have no choice, but we are string players...

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QUOTE(MISHUGINA @ Jan 23 2010, 12:21 PM)

I'm not saying these folks open their tuner during duration of live concert but if a student's aural perception is so bad, how to get him to understand equal temperament and such on his own without getting solid basics grounded 1st?

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that is a good and very important question, but if the answer is to ask this student, whoes teacher tell him "just play, just listen, just practice more", to use a tuner to get that solid basics ground, then you are not helping him

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post Jan 25 2010, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(dopeycheese @ Jan 25 2010, 12:05 AM)
someday i need to sit down and list all the frequencies for different tuning systems, hopefully tie-in some calculus and whatnot... any ideas here?
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may be this sites would interest you?

http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/ChordsIn...JustIntonation/

enjoy smile.gif

EDIT: can get this book from kinokuniya too...RM65++??

http://www.amazon.com/Equal-Temperament-Ru...64350196&sr=8-1

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post Feb 3 2010, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Feb 3 2010, 12:56 AM)
i read an article... the only thing that tis poor dude managed to salvage after hurricane katrina hit his house was tis cello....and it still performs perfectly after the it  biggrin.gif

like the color and design.... tryin to get more info .... wan to upgarde my son's cello soon.....  wood is very subjective and i need to bring him
to Europe to obtain it and a risk of wat we will be paying too..... at least tis plastic cello ensure for its quality....  hmm.gif .

Do u agree wit me pal ?
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i think Luis & Clark cello would be a smash...

consider what they already can do with a Luis & Clark viola...(not possible on wooden one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf2w2zMNvzE

imagine what they can do with a cello or double bass

so i say go for it pal...and make your wife happy too
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post Feb 3 2010, 11:39 PM

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Yet another intonation reply smile.gif

here is how to train your intonation using your ears and not your eyes...

(pre-condition, tune your instrument nicely before you try this, and make sure your teacher teach you what to hear, and how to differentiate, with your ear not eyes, what is out of tune and what is not.

http://vimeo.com/7545785

apply for violin viola too...


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QUOTE(subangman @ Feb 3 2010, 09:46 PM)
tat's a veri funny ads........... if less than US$10 bucks ... i dun mind have it.. in fact highly promoting for them around my Kampung here.

my wife wouldn't b happy as she doesn't really knows how to cook....  doh.gif

anyway ... thx for ur clip.. brighten up my gloomy day .... luckily not today not sunday............. (Gloomy Sunday).

veri nice song : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiOyvxgcob4&feature=related
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may i beg you to let me try it once you have it smile.gif ? it's not wooden so there is no way i am going to make even a scratch on it, no matter how careless i am tongue.gif

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post Feb 4 2010, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Feb 4 2010, 12:07 AM)
sure .....JANJI ...100% will honor my words if i manage to bring it back from the cowboy land to bolehland.... but it's a cello.

but not to mince meat or bash potato....LOL...
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haha....thanks Man..cello is fine, and for a cello, definitely wont use it for mince meat or potato....that's too easy...

i think at least a road bully will do justice with that mean cello smile.gif

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