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prophetjul
post Aug 27 2013, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 27 2013, 03:04 AM)
everyone can be a fun manager?! are you kidding?
how many of us able to earn 200% in 8 years time (its NAV from 1.00 to 2.97 today)? I highly doubt there could be many. If 1% of forumers here can achieve that, I already super surprise.
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Can you sell at the NAV? biggrin.gif
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post Aug 27 2013, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 27 2013, 12:00 PM)
U get me wrong
All Unit Trust Mgt Co (UTMC) can charge management fees
Quantum wise dependent on d nature of funds and profile of UTMC

If holders r not satisfy with d UTMC, they can raise dis issue during AGM
Worst case, can propose to liquidate the funds itself
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I understand that TTB has to eat and drive his porsches.

However to make wild statements of growth and yet sitting on his rear end doing not much AND collecting his fees is rather
ummmm ......obscene.

I think someone has suggested to liquidate and realise the NAV. But TTB refused, no?
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post Aug 28 2013, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 28 2013, 05:21 AM)
Why sell? In fact, I only use spare cash to buy stocks. These cash I prepare not using them for at least 10 years also no problem.  biggrin.gif
Just buy back my 1st batch of icap at 2.35 today, waiting for gross dividend 9.5 sen coming soon. (I sold all my icap last time at 2.33)
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Hi

You were using the NAV to shew the growth. nod.gif

If you cant realise gains based on the NAV, I suggest its the wrong number to use.
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post Oct 29 2013, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 28 2013, 09:18 PM)
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That was an old posting already.

KLSE today 1818.39 and what Teng Boo said just the other day ... was incredible !  rclxub.gif
Source: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...overvalued.aspx

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High cash position for last nine to 10 months?

Just the last 9 to 10 months?

Or is it more accurate to say the fund had been carrying more than 100 million cash since 2010 !!??

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Interest from his cash maybe enough for his fees! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 29 2013, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2013, 11:44 AM)
Only in Malaysia, a fund manager can sit and do nothing and collect more and more fees each year.  laugh.gif

Sit on excess cash since 2010.
And market has been rising and rising.

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Another Msia bolih enterprise! biggrin.gif

WB of Msia........ wink.gif

Just saw your posting of the 2012 accounts

Fees = Rm 5.788 mil

Revenue = Rm24,821 mil

Net Profit Before Tax = Rm17,689


The FEES as % of Revenue = 23.3%

The FEES as % of PBT = A WHOOPING 32.72% !!!!!!!! shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif


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post Oct 29 2013, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 29 2013, 01:43 PM)
Fees is calculated based on d value of Funds managed x agreed %
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THAT is where the BLUE Ocean Scam is ...............

Do NUTHING and still reap yer Unjustified FEES..................
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post Oct 29 2013, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 29 2013, 01:51 PM)
Most of the manager of other UTs oso practice d same concept
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So makes it right? biggrin.gif

The FEES should be based on PEFORMANCE.

Otherwise its a Scam for such HIGH FEES. nod.gif
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post Oct 29 2013, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2013, 03:16 PM)
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I didn't consider his fess based from that perspective.

I agree with your last posting.
The fees should based on performance.
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THATS WHY some of our fund manager's fees can be very OBSCENE.....especially when they use

NAV.

Many of our I cap investors like to hone on NAV.

Even if TTB does NOTHING to add value, they will still reap their enormous fees based on NAV.

SO I hope the interest rate on their CASH holdings is enough for the fees. smile.gif
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post Oct 29 2013, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 29 2013, 03:25 PM)
I hope many will understand your message.

Teng Boo very lucky cos he got many loyal fans.
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When Loyalty causes blindness, it becomes CULTIC.

THATS where the problem starts..........like GEnevva Gold. nod.gif
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post Oct 30 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 29 2013, 03:57 PM)
Sitting on RM200mil cash, 3% interest income would be around RM6mil.

These interest income just to enough cover his fee laugh.gif
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Methinks Msian call it


SYIOK SENDIRI ???? hmm.gif
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post Oct 30 2013, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 30 2013, 08:45 AM)
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"Shares on Bursa Malaysia are not cheap… many stocks are overvalued at present,”


YOU CAN SAY THE SAME OF HIS OBSCENE FEES! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 31 2013, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Brandon323 @ Oct 31 2013, 10:07 AM)
By sitting on increasing cash since 2010, TTB is trying to time the market. His timing is a bit off this time. As a student of his idol Warren Buffet, he should know that it is not easy to time the market.
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Another thing which everyone should remember is

KLSE is NOT U.S Mkts.

We are

a) small

b) immature-Not a lot of world class companies since we are mostly jaguh kampung

c) EPF probably owns 50% of mkt

d) Add LTAT,PNB,etc......KL mkt is probably 75% owned by these lot
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post Dec 3 2013, 02:35 PM

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Article in this week's edge mag

"Not all (shareholders) might be happy to hear that the amount of dividends they collectively received was only 27.5% of the RM36.3 million of icapital.bz's total operating expenses to date, of which RM32.7 million went to Capital Dynamics in the form of fund management and investment advisory fee."


Good Job! TTB! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 3 2013, 03:26 PM)
That RM36.3mil is cumulative since iCap listed?
Yes. Since listing.
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post Dec 4 2013, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 4 2013, 08:39 AM)
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Whatever happened to long term investing?

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It went with TTB's quotes: "Finding attractive stocks is a challenge"


" We don't get paid for activities, just for being RIGHT. thumbup.gif As to how long we will wait, we will wait INDEFINITELY. shocking.gif "

How much FEESS he gonna FLEECE INDEFINITELY? drool.gif


TTB lost BIG on meico Chipboard as well.......

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...L2-px6yktj8PRDQ
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post Oct 13 2014, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 8 2014, 08:46 PM)
Do I feel pity for him?

No I don't.

Refer posting #458 again.

I highlighted the fees by posting the snapshot from the annual report.

This was the snapshot from that posting...

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And from posting #478
Now I free.

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I decided to take a snapshot of the fees issue.

Drum roll.......................................... please.

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Total fund management fee is 3,109,491, investment advisory fee is also 3,109,491.

Total fees is now................... 6,218,982 !!!!!!!

Pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewit !!!!!

brilliant eh?

So if he DARE to collect more and more and more fees from the fund each year while maintaining the market is over valued EACH YEAR since 2010 (last year he said "Shares on Bursa Malaysia are not cheap… many stocks are overvalued at present,”  - source: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...alued.aspx)..... why should I feel pity for him if he gets critics highlighting what he's doing exactly?

( ask many investors.... wasn't it a fabulous 2013? and 2014? How many investment grade shares rocket to the moon? Inari no good? Not an investment grade stock? Last year, one could close eye and buy Inari at below 70 sen nia.... What's the high this year? oh wait, Teng Boo said many stocks are overvalued last year! )
Side note:

When I was making that snap shot of his fees he whalloped from the fund...

I noticed the ADVERTISEMENTS expenses.....

The previous year, 2013, the fund spend 20,975 on ads.
For 2014, the fund spend 708,202 on ads!

708 thousand ????!!!!

What the ...................... ????

Major face palm time! 

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OMG!!!!!
Come on....

this is a bloody closed end fund...

what's there to advertise?
I cannot believe it really.
TTB said shares overvalued last year.
So instead of buying shares, he spends 708 thousand on ads!

Then I remembered.......................

His face..... on RAPID buses all over town!

OMG!!!!!

The fund is putting good use of those extra cash!!!!
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Nice way to make $$$$$$$$$$$


investment Advice: DO NOTHING.........


Make fees Rm6mil........... thumbup.gif


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post Oct 13 2014, 10:54 AM

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Remember : A BROKEN CLOCK IS RIGHT TWICE A DAY


VERY VERY SOON, AH TAN WILL BE RIGHT .......FOR RM6MIL ADVISORY FEE laugh.gif
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post Oct 14 2014, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 13 2014, 07:40 PM)
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LMAO!

What a damn bloody egoistic and see-two-pig answer!

He's simply too egoistic la....

Which rather explains him spending huge lump sumps of the fund cash on advertisments -  so that everyone can see his silly face on Rapid buses!
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Wonder is Warren Buffet advertises Berkshire?
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post Oct 16 2014, 02:30 PM

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Ah Tan gonna be right very sooonnn........... thumbup.gif
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post Nov 19 2014, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 19 2014, 08:19 AM)
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That ranting part via media is so appalling and sickening!

Is this part of Malaysian culture?

Actually the solution is quite simple....
Liquidate or....
Teng Boo should just shut his mouth and for once, instead of sitting on his ass, he should for once START WORKING as a fund manager...
and go make money for his closed end fund.

Said so many times already....
Adapting a cash policy while the market is zooming higher and higher each year for the past donkey years just proves that Teng Boo got his market strategy horribly wrong.

Go get him to work hor.....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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TTb will be right ONE fine day. A broken clock is right twice a day. laugh.gif

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