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Boon3
post Dec 9 2021, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 9 2021, 01:48 AM)
Last year crash he didn't buy much, after few months after the crash he bought a lot of stock like SAM, bioalpha and Airasia.

Sold MSC around RM0.80 and now trading at RM3.50
His boustead sitting at huge losses among all portfolio, macam sudah 70%+ loss on paper
The airasia cost macam RM0.84, the loan stock subscription would cost them about RM9mil

Ah Boo still getting 6mil for year 2021 and 6.6mil for year 2020
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Now AA is only 0.785...... tongue.gif

The bulk of icap money is in money market fund. 180+ million. Don't see him touching that. Which leaves the 22+ million in bank balances. Will he use it for AA rights? ( not much money left for...) Or has he dump the stocks like previously in Axiata...
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post Dec 9 2021, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 9 2021, 07:26 AM)
Now AA is only 0.785...... tongue.gif

The bulk of icap money is in money market fund. 180+ million. Don't see him touching that. Which leaves the 22+ million in bank balances. Will he use it for AA rights? ( not much money left for...) Or has he dump the stocks like previously in Axiata...
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forgot all about the 20 sen special dividend..... well that about sealed it for me. I am fairly certain Teng Boo will not be forking out 9 million plus for this rights issue.....
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post Dec 9 2021, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 9 2021, 07:26 AM)
Now AA is only 0.785...... tongue.gif

The bulk of icap money is in money market fund. 180+ million. Don't see him touching that. Which leaves the 22+ million in bank balances. Will he use it for AA rights? ( not much money left for...) Or has he dump the stocks like previously in Axiata...
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The price already factor in the recovery a bit after lockdown, but to recover like pre-covid is quite unlikely in the next one year.

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 9 2021, 09:21 AM)
yhtan

forgot all about the 20 sen special dividend..... well that about sealed it for me. I am fairly certain Teng Boo will not be forking out 9 million plus for this rights issue.....
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iCap got 180mil cash eh, 9mil also cannot fork out kah sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Dec 9 2021, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 9 2021, 09:23 AM)
The price already factor in the recovery a bit after lockdown, but to recover like pre-covid is quite unlikely in the next one year.
iCap got 180mil cash eh, 9mil also cannot fork out kah sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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180+ in money market funds wo.... you think Teng Boo wants to touch that meh? tongue.gif

Leave the 22 million plus in cash balances....
after minus out the 20 sen special dividend (lazy to count) how much left?
then you think he no want to leave extra cash around for his fees.... *cough* *cough*

remember last time? Axiata same story... rights issue.
this fella die die dowan to subscribe.... rather lose the millions..(issit 12 million? cannot remember liao)




i dun see any future at all with AirAsia...
the 2 things that brought AA down... excessive debts/leasing + hedging...

those 2 things...
is embedded skin deep in AA la...
100 billion worth of new airplanes outstanding....
survive is one issue... survive with all current debts/leasing issues is another....
so when you factor in that it HAS TO take delivery of new airplanes, how la?
which means... more debts? or more buy and then sale/leaseback?
either way it chooses... more debts/leases

how? it's playing football but give the opposite team a 4 goal handicap. sweat.gif sweat.gif


and then hedging....
since start of AA, ah Toni yes always been aggressive in hedging...
last time? lose big big.... but never change...
this round... losses were really huge (amplified by AA massive hedging positions) ...
so when AA starts to recover, the spots on the leopard will return and the company will start hedging all over again....



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post Mar 4 2023, 11:38 AM

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Boustead taken private?

Big ouch for Teng Boo.

According to its AR 2022, as at end May 2022, icap sitting on losses of more than 18.3 million for its Boustead shares.

Yet another big loss for icap.. much bigger than Axiata!!

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post Mar 4 2023, 01:24 PM

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pg 65...

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Boustead closing prices on 31St May 2022 was 75 sen.



yhtan ... p/s : see the Capital A losses?
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post Mar 5 2023, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2023, 01:24 PM)
pg 65...

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Boustead closing prices on  31St May 2022 was 75 sen.
yhtan ... p/s : see the Capital A losses?
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investment in boustead has huge losses, airasia average cost at 0.85. rclxub.gif
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post Mar 5 2023, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 5 2023, 01:56 AM)
investment in boustead has huge losses, airasia average cost at 0.85. rclxub.gif
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Not forgetting the mega losses in Parkson.

But yeah, the fees he collected has increased... must be the inflation... to 7 million.

LOL... as others have said... that's an easy 70 million in fees in 10 years time.

... and does the loyal followers even realise this....
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 5 2023, 07:04 AM)
Not forgetting the mega losses in Parkson.

But yeah, the fees he collected has increased... must be the inflation... to 7 million.

LOL... as others have said... that's an easy 70 million in fees in 10 years time.

... and does the loyal followers even realise this....
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i saw there is huge changes on iCAP top 30 shareholders, some prominent investors during his early stage is gone in the latest AR.

As usual Ah Boo still pocket 7mil annually whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Mar 6 2023, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 6 2023, 03:03 PM)
i saw there is huge changes on iCAP top 30 shareholders, some prominent investors during his early stage is gone in the latest AR.

As usual Ah Boo still pocket 7mil annually  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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I really wonder if the shareholders really understand the math behind all the fees charged, cause in the long run, Teng Boo wins.

as easily shown in a posting in 2020..

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as simply calculated, come 2029, the total fees charged against iCapital (since listing) works out roughly to a staggering 140+ million or more than rm1.00 per share. shocking.gif

Clearly there's only ONE winner here!



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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 6 2023, 03:14 PM)
I really wonder if the shareholders really understand the math behind all the fees charged, cause in the long run, Teng Boo wins.

as easily shown in a posting in 2020..

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as simply calculated, come 2029, the total fees charged against iCapital (since listing) works out roughly to a staggering 140+ million or more than rm1.00 per share.  shocking.gif

Clearly there's only ONE winner here!
whistling.gif
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He claim he is a value investor, but value investor like Warren Buffett would not hesitate to cut loss if the management screw up or make a really bad decision.

U think Boustead management is good? if i compare Boustead and Sunway, i will prefer the Sunway management. Even kucik meow like me can tell the management quality difference, u telling me Ah Boo don't understand all this? Oh ya their share price has been trading 40% below NAV, just a matter of time people will gang up and dissolute icapital whistling.gif
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Legalised scam. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 6 2023, 03:31 PM)
He claim he is a value investor, but value investor like Warren Buffett would not hesitate to cut loss if the management screw up or make a really bad decision.

U think Boustead management is good? if i compare Boustead and Sunway, i will prefer the Sunway management. Even kucik meow like me can tell the management quality difference, u telling me Ah Boo don't understand all this? Oh ya their share price has been trading 40% below NAV, just a matter of time people will gang up and dissolute icapital whistling.gif
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Yes and sadly, over the years, there are others questionable decisions made. wink.gif

I reckon the one biggest mistake/regret was Parkson.

The fund got in Parkson in 2008. And my oh my, I was told, the market went crazy over Parkson shares. And it was an amazing winner in the fund portfolio...

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Dumped in 21 million and within a year, it was carrying a gain of over 24 million! Amazing!


but as we all know Parkson went downhill in mid 2010s....

and the latest annual report showed the fund carrying over 20 million in losses!!! ...

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what a shocking turnaround....




Not mistaken, the fund made some impairment losses of over 10 million for its Parkson shares around 2015-2018... (need to check la)





but then... yeah... with all the fees collection... I wonder if he's really bothered with the multi million dollar losses!
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post Mar 6 2023, 03:57 PM

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Irony. 2008 was the year, the fund bought into Boustead Holdings...

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nice 'unrealised profit'...

and when we compare the latest 2022 AR..

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this meant, the fund bought more (average down ar? laugh.gif) and turned the profits to a potential multi-million dollar losses!! blink.gif blink.gif


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post Mar 9 2023, 01:44 PM

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... and of course .... they are gonna be obvious noises made against offer price for Bstead... ie grossly unfair given the many obvious assets that Bstead has... wink.gif

and this is clearly highlighted in the edge article...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/658357

yeah... the cows are always gonna argue till the chicken comes home that the offer is not fair but ... until the cows win, this is yet another example (share price) < NTA is not a sure win investment strategy .....

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