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post Jan 23 2008, 12:15 AM

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i think xbox and ps3 work almost same as pc, they got their own cell processor to process date fetch from data from the roms... just the cell processor are processing more thread then regular PC so i think probably tht makes the graphic processing smoother than regular PC.. while regular PC are using Graphic card to calculate the graphic data while CPU calc others such as physic and AI...

Xbox and Ps3 simpler OS which specific for gaming also make it faster then PC OS which consumes ram and also meant for office applications


No the cell processor isn't more powerful, it's just that it's priorities lies elsewhere, where else a PC can run GP code and let the OS sort out shit and the processor handle itself, the Cell is harder to program for as it trades die space for pure FPU performance. Think of it as an idiot that can run 60kmph easily but won't stop if a car is heading his way. It requires more handholding, more optimization and certainly more programming time. No, even the PS3 has it's own dedicated GPU, which is a geforce 7900 Equivalent.

PROTIP : The PS3 looks good because it's games have low native resolutions and then are upscaled. And code is more streamlined on the developers part.

Some rendering is hardware limited in form, it's obvious that the 8800 series will beat the 7900 series in the PS3 in terms of qualitative rendering, no amount of fancy programming can push hardware limitations, although you can trick the end user or implement more costly forms of rendering at high perf hit levels.

If you must know, a 2k PC can beat a 2k PS3 soundly. The end.

Fun factor is still at debate, i've had alot of fun with a Wii and it has totally rubbish specs.




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post Jan 23 2008, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:15 AM)
No the cell processor isn't more powerful, it's just that it's priorities lies elsewhere, where else a PC can run GP code and let the OS sort out shit and the processor handle itself, the Cell is harder to program for as it trades die space for pure FPU performance. Think of it as an idiot that can run 60kmph easily but won't stop if a car is heading his way. It requires more handholding, more optimization and certainly more programming time. No, even the PS3 has it's own dedicated GPU, which is a geforce 7900 Equivalent.

PROTIP : The PS3 looks good because it's games have low native resolutions and then are upscaled. And code is more streamlined on the developers part.

Some rendering is hardware limited in form, it's obvious that the 8800 series will beat the 7900 series in the PS3 in terms of qualitative rendering, no amount of fancy programming can push hardware limitations, although you can trick the end user or implement more costly forms of rendering at high perf hit levels.

If you must know, a 2k PC can beat a 2k PS3 soundly. The end.

Fun factor is still at debate, i've had alot of fun with a Wii and it has totally rubbish specs.
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finally pro come and explained... looks like its programming tht makes the diff mostly... pc are more clever machine.. lol

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post Jan 23 2008, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Jan 22 2008, 11:07 PM)
those console graphic 50% depents GC 50% is depents on CD...dun forget xbox 360 is using HD-DVD!...HD-DVD is 50% more clear than DVD....Even Xbox 360 is using Nvidia7900XT as GC...result out also same as 8800GTS.....WHen i play Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter...in Xbox graphic = PC Very high setting (PC i used 8800GTS SLI result = same graphic to Xbox 360 HD-DVD result)
PS3...DO it got GC..i tell u it dun have.....WHY PS3 graphic so so Pretty?

PS3 using 8 Extreme Processor (Normal PC is 5Ghz super max OC with nitrogen liquid) But PS3 Processor is 20GHZ=2Trilion per second speed without OC MEANS 8X20 GHZ = 160GHZ PROCESSOR in PS3!!!!! plus using Blue-Ray Disk...150% more clear view than DVD....PS3 no GC but result same to 8800Ultra Triple SLI result (Do u guys see Grand Tusimo newest one? play games like see a Movie...SO SO  real....Even 8800ultra triple SLi also cannot do that maybe.......
Back to X-box 360....it using HD-DVD and x-box processor is 1 trilion per second speed...means 10Ghz Processor without OC....so PC how to beat those console ? Console no need GC at all using it processor power can make ur games see very nice and Very Fast!!!

DO u see Console games make u lag before? LOL!!!!
Conclusion:Console gaming they no depents on GC they used quality on HD-DVD or Blue Ray Disk to win PC......and Processor too~~~

Here the Link to let u see :PS3 power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCDhMJ6-r4&feature=related

Console Graphic Tech is far more higher than PC graphic setting.......
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Jan 22 2008, 11:42 PM)
that why console is far far diffrent than PC..PC depents ur GC power...Console Depents ur HD or blue ray Disk power

XBOX360 dun have any Graphic card..WHy it can so pretty? in PC world HD-DVD is cd stroage but in console world HD-DVD is thier graphic nice or not nice le.......Xbox360 it just using HD-DVD Tech clear view plys it 10GHZ processor to make entie games works.....IF Console got GC with 10GHz processor...u can go into 4D world alrady...LOL!!

so this 2 cannot compare to each other~~~
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Jan 22 2008, 11:51 PM)
WHy ps1 and PS2 graphic so many diffrent..Both no GC...IT because the CD diffrent only.......DVD is much higher space compare to CD that why it can make more detail stuff into it~~~~MOre detail stuff = more Pretty Graphic it can goes~~~ DO PS2 got Graphic card...Answer is NO!! That why in console world CD /DVD /HD-DVD/Blue-ray is thier Graphic Card!!! SO it cannot compare to PC..PC have GC
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post Jan 23 2008, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Jan 23 2008, 12:19 AM)
finally pro come and explained... looks like its programming tht makes the diff mostly... pc are more clever machine.. lol
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When a PC runs multiple threads, the OS or Windows generally schedules it, and the processor breaks it down and reschedules it more for superior performance.

This doesn't happen on the PS3 or the Xbox360, all threads have to be preprogrammed, preassigned, preoptimized and such, that's why the best games that a console has to offer usually comes out a year or two after the console is released, because all the burden of extracting performance from the code is put on the shoulder of the programmer rather than the chip designer.

A simple analogy would be in the PC

3 Threads are asked to be run at the same time. Any 3 threads lah, random, say one is program A, and the other 2 thread is from other programs B and C

1) OS Schedules threads, sends threads 1 and 2 to Core1 and thread 3 to Core2
2) Processor buffers instructions, schedules and rearranges the instructions.
3) Processor dispatches for processing.
4) Result.


In say the Xbox360.

There are 3 threads now from 1 program. But remember, there's no fancy PC scheduling here.

So,

1) Programmer assigns Thread 1, 2 and 3 to Cores 1, 2 and 3
2) Programmer optimizes code that best suits the Xbox processor
3) Programmer factors in branching, nests and other code conditions
4) Programmer tests the code and reoptimizes it
5) Load into game and Xbox360 processor


TL:DR, PCs can run alot of unoptimized code and differnet programs well without issue. This is great for multiple use or general purpose machines like most comps are.

Consoles can only reach their maximum potential with very optimized code and alot of programming. Great for single purpose machines, like the Xbox which is for entertainment only, not work.



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post Jan 23 2008, 12:33 AM

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hmm kiddo.. wither ur high with gaming or just hmm crapping all the way.. LOL cant help laugh to the Description of processors lol. Thats Legend man notworthy.gif

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PS3 using 8 Extreme Processor (Normal PC is 5Ghz super max OC with nitrogen liquid) But PS3 Processor is 20GHZ=2Trilion per second speed without OC MEANS 8X20 GHZ = 160GHZ PROCESSOR in PS3!!!!!


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here comes the pro FTW...!!!
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post Jan 23 2008, 12:36 AM

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hmmm, learn alot from u bro... so in simple way means in PC, we got OS act like a car driver driving a car to its destination, same as OS do, scheduling and dividing jobs for processor's execution through memory and so on... while on a Xbox platform, all must be spoon feeded by a programmer to optimize it, so xbox is just executing a preprogrammed software... am i right? notworthy.gif

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post Jan 23 2008, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:43 AM)
@lich
future godlike brows.gif hmmm i am noob in all this leh. You must teach me brows.gif
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still got lotsa thing to learn... we learn together with empire23, the real pro...
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post Jan 23 2008, 08:22 AM

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Thanks for giving comments guys..
But none of you are giving the answer??
I know that a high end PC can win the xbox360 easily..
I just wanna know from you guys' point of view..
the 'performance' of 360 is equivalent to what type of PC configuration (processer, graphic card, etc,etc) ??
arghhhh!!
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post Jan 23 2008, 11:26 AM

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certain part xbox 360 beat pc, however PC component always up to date, plus xbox 360 wear n tear faster than PC, dunno why
erm rm2500-3500 pc price maybe same performance with xbox, but lots of advantage to pc la,


QUOTE(RegentCid @ Jan 22 2008, 11:07 PM)
those console graphic 50% depents GC 50% is depents on CD...dun forget xbox 360 is using HD-DVD!...HD-DVD is 50% more clear than DVD....Even Xbox 360 is using Nvidia7900XT as GC...result out also same as 8800GTS.....WHen i play Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter...in Xbox graphic = PC Very high setting (PC i used 8800GTS SLI result = same graphic to Xbox 360 HD-DVD result)
PS3...DO it got GC..i tell u it dun have.....WHY PS3 graphic so so Pretty?

PS3 using 8 Extreme Processor (Normal PC is 5Ghz super max OC with nitrogen liquid) But PS3 Processor is 20GHZ=2Trilion per second speed without OC MEANS 8X20 GHZ = 160GHZ PROCESSOR in PS3!!!!! plus using Blue-Ray Disk...150% more clear view than DVD....PS3 no GC but result same to 8800Ultra Triple SLI result (Do u guys see Grand Tusimo newest one? play games like see a Movie...SO SO  real....Even 8800ultra triple SLi also cannot do that maybe.......
Back to X-box 360....it using HD-DVD and x-box processor is 1 trilion per second speed...means 10Ghz Processor without OC....so PC how to beat those console ? Console no need GC at all using it processor power can make ur games see very nice and Very Fast!!!

DO u see Console games make u lag before? LOL!!!!
Conclusion:Console gaming they no depents on GC they used quality on HD-DVD or Blue Ray Disk to win PC......and Processor too~~~

Here the Link to let u see :PS3 power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCDhMJ6-r4&feature=related

Console Graphic Tech is far more higher than PC graphic setting.......
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in that case i bought blu ray disc for pc for playing game, so i get better graphic playing game,

HDDVD/Bluray is an upgrade from cd/dvd for data storage, if u wan to see movie with high quality one,
high qualty vid need more,

i think u dont understand bout cd/dvd/HDdvd drive and graphic processor
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in gaming u cant compare the game graphics(execute data) with movie's (Picture)

so tell me, whats da difference if bought PS3 DVD with PS3 CD (3 cd required), i get better graphic or i hav to change 2nd/3rd cd to play da game whistling.gif

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post Jan 23 2008, 12:16 PM

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For everything you got...WIKIPEDIA!!

XBOX360

Summary XBOX360->
Custom triple core (not the same core as dual cores in PC) processor from IBM 3.2GHz
500Mhz ATI graphics card, 90nm process, with a daughter die(?) attached
512 MB Memory clocked at 1.4 GHz. However this memory is shared by GPU & CPU

As you can see the architecture is very different from a computer...so i cant tell you what the equivalent of a PC, yet. Later i do a little more research then i'll post an equivalent. IN the meantime you can read the wiki =)


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post Jan 23 2008, 12:33 PM

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anyway..both are design for different usage.. as those guy said.
however, through anandtech website (which gien by one of the guy above):

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There's not much that's impressive about the PPE, other than it's a small, fast, efficient core.  Put up against a Pentium 4 or an Athlon 64, the PPE would lose undoubtedly, but the PPE's architecture is one answer to a shift in the performance paradigm.  Performance in business/office applications requires a very powerful, very fast general purpose microprocessor, but performance in a game console, for example, does not.  The original Xbox used a modified Intel Celeron processor running at 733MHz, while the fastest desktops had 2.0GHz Pentium 4s and 1.60GHz Athlon XPs.  Given that the first implementation of Cell is supposed to be Sony's Playstation 3, the simplicity of the PPE is not surprising.  Should Cell ever make its way into a PC, the PPE would definitely have to be beefed up, or at least paired with multiple other PPEs.



AnandTech

yet this article wrote in March 17th, 2005.

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post Jan 23 2008, 12:45 PM

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yes Stanley, thanks. But I just wanna know the performance of the configuration of 360 is equivalent to which PC configuration?
I mean the estimation. No one tried to estimate it. Thanks for giving 360's configuration guys. sigh wink.gif
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Jan 23 2008, 12:45 PM)
yes Stanley, thanks. But I just wanna know the performance of the configuration of 360 is equivalent to which PC configuration?
I mean the estimation. No one tried to estimate it. Thanks for giving 360's configuration guys. sigh wink.gif
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oh well, sad. my bad duh. doh.gif
anyway..the anadtech web should clear your doubt.. no?
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hehe.. havent watch it.. my bad.. tongue.gif
i'll look at it..


Added on January 23, 2008, 1:08 pm
QUOTE(Abyssio @ Jan 23 2008, 12:16 PM)
For everything you got...WIKIPEDIA!!

XBOX360

Summary XBOX360->
Custom triple core (not the same core as dual cores in PC) processor from IBM 3.2GHz
500Mhz ATI graphics card, 90nm process, with a daughter die(?) attached
512 MB Memory clocked at 1.4 GHz. However this memory is shared by GPU & CPU

As you can see the architecture is very different from a computer...so i cant tell you what the equivalent of a PC, yet. Later i do a little more research then i'll post an equivalent. IN the meantime you can read the wiki =)
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dis spec of pc sure can pwn anytime..........
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9950 3.5GHz, 12MB L2 Cache, 1600MHz FSB (2 units)
Asus MotherBoard support 2 LGA 775 Socket Processor
ASUS GeForce 9800GTX 1GB 512bit DDR4 SLi (2units)
Corsair Dominator Twin3X2048-1800C7DF DDR3 1800 7-7-7-20 2GB (2x4units)
Allngap Ram Blower (2 units)
Samsung 64GB SATA II SSD For OS (2 units)
Western Digital WD1500ADFD Raptor 10,000rpm 150GB SATA 16MB HDD Cache (10units)
Sony Blue-ray Burner BWU100A (2 units)
Sony Blue-ray Disk Drive BDPS300 (2 units)
D-tek Fuzion + Nozzle kit , EK Gpu Water Block , Swiftech Mcw30 Chipset Water Block , Idwaki High Grade Industrial Pump , Cool-Trek DP1203 3x120mm Radiator , Allngap Custom Reservor , Primoflex Blue UV Tubing , PC Ice Coolant
Silverstone TJ07 BTX Custom
Sharp Aquos LC-52G7M 52 inch Wide LCD TV
Pioneer 10.2 Surround Sound Speaker (custom)
Logitech G25 Racing Wheels
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse + Razer Mouse Pad
Logitech ChillStream Controller
PC Cooling Power Power Supply 1500KW
Belkin Wireless and DSL combo Modem
Super High speed Internet
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ahh damn.. this is tOO much if only wanna pawn xbox 360
for sure..
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it's like comparing an elephant and a whale......superpower but on different platform
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ermmm....my dvd case is small....i only need a single dvd for my xbox360 rather than 4 dvds for a game....no install2 no waste of time, no worries of hdd space and so on.............performance wise, time wise, money wise and many2 wise....xbox 360 wins...
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Since no one seems to have actually answered the original question, i would put the 360's hardware performance as such:

GPU - R580 clocked at about 400-450mhz
CPU - Core 2 duo, around 2.4-2.8ghz

kthxbai.

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