Guys, wif the Celeron dual-core coming into market, i guess it's time for a "budget" corner of Intel Dual-Core overclocking. Whereby you can get processor + motherboard combo of around RM350-400 and still get 66-75% overclock over stock, for almost close to free!

This thread is solely for Celeron(Conroe-L), Celeron or Pentium Dual-Core and Intel 945GC chipset motherboard users, using on-board graphics, the budget crowd.

Let's start with myself, i've used both the E2140 and E2160 in an ASrock Conroe1333-D667 R1.0 motherboard(based on the 945GC chipset i mentioned). On the E2140, i manage to crank up a 75% overclock, jacking up the FSB from 200MHz to 350MHz before i can't go any higher, might be the Vcore as i've tried plugging in a PCI-E graphics card(so that it reduces the chance of the IGP holding back), using an IDE HDD(due to PCI lock) and am still stuck. On the E2160, it's a 66% overclock from 200MHz to 334MHz FSB.

So who else running these cheapo combos? Maybe we can start a new trend of budget Intel dual-core overclocking.

I'm in the process of updating the motherboards available locally below then RM200 price bracket and runs the Intel chipset, will update more on this first post when i get more info. Would be glad to do a review on any of the 945GC based boards if anyone is nice enough to loan me a unit other than the ASrock Conroe1333 variant.

Bumping this thread.

Setup a cheapo Asrock Conroe1333 D667 with E2160 BSELled, running 2.7ghz. I would say, this would be the best combo <RM400 . However, it's limited to the capability of your CPU @ stock vcore, as there's no option to adjust vcore @ bios. Either that, you would need a pin volt mod.

This post has been edited by kucingfight: Mar 5 2008, 01:23 PM

Yay! Finally a reply

Hoping more would be joining the "cheap ass C2D" gang. <RM400 for CPU + Motherboard combo no longer just applies to AMD

Yeah... for these cheap mobo and CPU setup, BSEL(a must) and VID(in case your chip needs more vcore) is a must as can only adjust FSB and Ram Timings.

The VDIMM mod is pretty simple as long as you've got a multi-meter.

Pairing an E2160 with Asrock 945GC-DDR667.
Running stable at 2.7ghz.

BSEL mod was an hassle.

Can get 3Ghz stable? Try using aftermarket cooler or just suicide oc and get screenshot.

It depend on the CPU itself.
Not all CPU can do 3ghz at stock vcore.

This board has no vcore adjustment. Its nothing to do with temperature (aftermarket cooler)

waaaa.....dual core can get till 2.7....very nice:)
last time i try e4500@2.2 with mobo 945chipset only can push till 2.4,then sanko n irenic tolld me to change mobo if i want to get better oc.hehe

It just because u did not try the BSEL mod.
If not you should be able to go further.

No even a little vcore change on this mobo? Hope the bsel mod can increase the chances.

what is bsel?

Not even a little unless u looking for vcore mod.
If an E2160 can do 3ghz at stock vcore on this board, it will be super good bargain isn't it?

A mod to processor pin so can fool the mobo to think this is a higher FSB processor

lol... sumthing like PS2 mod chip rite???

Depends on your chip, i had 3 E2160 hit 3GHz(333MHz FSB) stable with stock cooler and also Xigmatek HDT=S963

It's because when you use a 200MHz FSB processor, the PCI-E would go way overclocked even at 266MHz FSB, when you do a BSEL(for 200MHz --> 266MHz FSB) mod to fool the motherboard that the processor is in fact a 266MHz FSB unit, the PCI-E will reset back to 100MHz at 266MHz FSB, the reason this particular chipset couldn't overclock high was due to a non-functional PCI-E lock

There's no vcore change on the ASrock Conroe1333-D667, but there's VDIMM(there's already vmod around) and also V-chipset options available in the BIOS via 3 settings.

why e2160 got 2 version ? one is with lower heatsink one,and one is normal jus like other intel proc,
which one is better ?



and which 945gc board is the best ?

there are few choices:

msi
abit
asus
gigabyte
ecs

which one is more overclockable? i have tried the asus and msi,they only manage to go 2GHZ with e2160,the ecs cant overclock,

give some coment pls

This post has been edited by xk2: Mar 22 2008, 07:43 PM

Old processor tend to oc better.Haven't try 945GC board before so no comment

i have notice tat all e2160 with the date 2008 are in the lower heatsink,and those 2007 still the normal one,if both run at stock speed,which will better ?

the bigger the heatsink, better heat dissipation it is. assume both heatsinks built in the same material.

size of heatsink determine the temperature of the processor, overclockability? no but technique/skill YES !

hmm interesting, sorry kucing i am in this thread just for one comment size of the heatsink does determine how much temperature can be dissipated, also the built of it. Thus if the temperature is controlled to a certain extent, your ability to Overclock is therefore higher. Thus disregarding the proc built and stepping in nature, if the variables were to only be temps and overclockability, i believe size does matter. Basic laws of heat eh>? technique and skill does help in reducing and making use with what you have to gain high speeds.

if u back to the Q asked by xk2, which E2160 version is more overclockable.
Certainly it not determine by the size the heatsink.

It is not a must to use stock heatsink to overclock. Thus it never a benchmark to show how overclockable is that particular processor is.

in that question, well, the stepping and batch is the answer. thats why i pointed across the important point that you have to disregard the proc built and stepping in this equation. I was merely answering to your statement that says that

actually i am asking about batch la jus take the heatsink as a standard to represent the batch only,and of course,if wan overclock kao kao sure need a aftermarket heasink la,then which of u are using 945gc board and manage to overclock well ?

Most of the reason why people find the Intel 945GC chipset "not overclockable" is behind it's not just drop-in can overclock. The BSEL 266MHz FSB mod MUST be done to enable it to overclock better(to at least 333MHz FSB), that's the main "secret recipe" for the budget Intel Dual Core + 945GC chipset overclocks.

bro,can teach me how to do tat ? coz i have tested all 945gc mobo with e2160,no one can reach higher than 2 ghz

and i wanna get myself a combo of e2160 plus 945gc soon,i plan to get asus brand's 945gc,so hope u can teach me how to do the mod ?coz no money to go for p35

I ain't too sure if the Asus board would overclock much, since it's kinda a "budget build" anyway, i would really go wif the proven ASrock Conroe1333-D667 that me, kucingfight and allenultra is using.

Of course, you can try the Asus also but i'm not too sure about it's BIOS options.

Nevertheless, with the BSEL mod done, you already have a 33% increase in speed

Benchmark between 2 945gc mobo




using gigabyte 945gc micro atx mobo and Msi 945gc micro atx mobo with e2160 MO stepping

msi system:

e2160 @ 1.8ghz
1x 1gb kingston value ram ddr2 667
windows xp

super pi 1m = 33s


gigabyte system:


e2160 @1.8ghz
2 x 1gb kingston value ram ddr2 667 dual channel
windows vista

super pi 1m = 32s

This post has been edited by xk2: Apr 3 2008, 02:51 PM


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Just curious, is the comparison from local? Would love to check out the Gigabyte mobo from the owner.

ya,it is done by me,coz i choose the spec for fren

just got myself e2160 and reaper ram today.. hunting for a budget mobo now. w8 for my result. lol

hey, im kinda new here. well, i just got my E2200 (dun ask me why i didnt get E21XX instead, n its OEM, so i got it cheap)
im using MSI 945G board here n heres the result i manage to push



i cant seem to adjust the multiplier so, the furthest i could boot is on 265mhz. (mobo failed to boot when i try on 270mhz)

Just my 2 cent opinion.......

Someone claim that the latest (2008) e2160 have shorter heatsink.........my theory is that intel dont want people to reach high OC level with stock cooling....???(i saw some other forum that e2160 easily reach 2.8Ghz with stock fan and stock vcore)......

about the heatsink i dunno, but e2160 that ca achieve 2.8g with stock fan & vcore is common(i got one from allenutra 2.8g stock and still climbing). 2160 to hit 3g at stock is a gem.

This post has been edited by gamers maniac: Apr 10 2008, 01:30 AM

searching around the internet, find out even got 1333 FSB mod & 1600 fsb mod... can it be done on my e6300?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=132900

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=149513

2.9ghz at stock vcore would be very good.

My E2160 only managed to do 3ghz at stock vcore.
Goldfries' did 3.2ghz, kucingfight's did very well too.

Basically e2xxx max out around 2.8 to 3.0ghz for stock vcore.

This post has been edited by allenultra: Apr 16 2008, 10:06 AM

Yay count me in,just got my hands on a cheap Pentium Duo Core E2140 1.6Ghz and a Gigabyte 945GCM motherboard with 1GB RAM and onboard graphic card.

Planning to oc above the 2.4Ghz mark

Got any advice and comments on this motherboard?

This post has been edited by 779364: Apr 16 2008, 10:17 AM

bros, using e2140, the Biostar mb that I have cannot oc in bios ..cannot change the fsb..stuck at 200 ...when use the software provided by mb disc and change to fsb 290, says oced but when run 3dmarks no diff--how come? Doesn' twork? tx

try bsel mod, see if the cpu boot on the board.
then try OC from there.



ronho, try the bsel mod first. then use clockgen to push if BIOS oc option sux.
Flash to latest bios?

well, i research bout bsel Pentium Dual Core E2xxx series, the only thing i got is how to mod E21XX series, but never E22XX series, so kinda worried if its E22XX can be bsel mod like E21XX

beside, its seem that there is someone using E2200 bsel mod to 2.9 ghz (well im hitting this with FSB OC), will it OCable after bsel safely? (i dun wan to fry it yet)

fyonne, u seem a bit confused here.

bsel mod is for CPU with 800mhz to be recognised as 1066mhz when slotted into the board.
it works on e4xxx series as well but not all motherboards support bsel modded CPU.

"dun want to fry it yet"....monitor the temperature and make sure heatsink fit nicely, what would u worry then?

bro, use what to bsel?? heard some pen but buy where and what name?? some rear demister thing???? whrer??? txtx

Silver Conductive Ink Pen

ya if u got conductive pen, that's the best. Or go for the all cheapo way, use kitchen foil + glue

conductive pen how to get bro?? buy from hardware shop or ..... tx

i found tat my e2160 modded cannot get higher than 2.8 at msi p35 neo f mobo,while a original e2160 can go above 3.0 on it,so...after modded will block the potential of overclock ?

This post has been edited by xk2: Apr 19 2008, 02:20 AM

conductive pen aint cheap, at least like rm80 or something

are you comparing stock & modded on the particular e2160 on ur P35? u don need to BSEL mod for P35, unless u wanna it to boot @ 266fsb everytime

my fren got an e2160 which is put on p35,it can overclock to 2.88 daily use,then i wan to see my modded e2160 if put on p35 can overclock more than 2.88 or not,but the result is cannot ,it only manage to archieve 2.6 but in msi 945gc board,my modded e2160 manage to get 2.6ghz no problem,so i think it is not suitable to put a modded e2160 to p35 chipset

cannot wait to test my modded e2160 on my asrock wolfdale1333 board i have all hardware (proc+ram+mobo+ gc) in hand now but the casing and psu all in hometown

This post has been edited by xk2: Apr 21 2008, 05:04 PM

not suitable to put e2160 on p35 chipset?
if then how my e2160 did 3ghz on my gaygaybyte?

ur friend e2160 != your e2160.
Its not the same, not all CPU with same overclockability.

In that case, your not having the CPU as the controlled factor. Pop ur fren's cpu n i'm sure it will do 2.88ghz on your board (assuming ur board isnt the limiting factor)

ditto, well said

conductive pen is rm 80/90 ??? wow, better go get new mb...

where can i get full tutorial of bsel mod? seems interesting

can google and easy to find...for 2140 need to connect 2 times and wondr how to do as so small...how the taikos here do it ?? pit aluminium foil how to put???so small!!

u can read HERE. sure la it's possible to do, else we wont be reporting here

Well.. i can always help out on the "kitchen foil mod", for a fee of course

Anyway... for the 945GC based mobos, u only need the 266MHz BSEL mod as you'll be overclocking the chipset to 333MHz FSB, instead of making the chip think it's a 333MHz FSB processor.

I so far have no luck whatsoever with getting my BSEL modded to work in P35 chipsets though, have to remove it only it'll boot in my P35 motherboard(s) but it works wonderful on my 945GC motherboard(s).

i want e2xxx cpu.... gonna rejoin the budget team soon ._.'"

I actually BSEL'd my Celeron 420 with a small strand of silver wire. Hahah...

guys..im using E2160 n abit I-N73HD mobo..n i wanna try OC..what is the most stable speed i need to increase?since multiplier is locked at max 9,can lower only..

This post has been edited by geniousboy: Apr 23 2008, 08:27 AM

bro kuchingfight, can just do the bsel and can run 350 fsb ? heard that got bsel to 266...that one safer ....

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Added on April 24, 2008, 11:20 pmbro kuchingfight, can just do the bsel and can run 350 fsb ? heard that got bsel to 266...that one safer ....

This post has been edited by ronho: Apr 24 2008, 11:20 PM

geniousboy, no one will know how far you can OC.
ronho, you answer will be same like geniousboy's Q.

E2160 is meant to run at 1.6ghz, Intel never gurantee how far it can overclock.
Some E2160 max out at 333fsb, which is 3ghz, some max out at 350fsb.....
some even max out at 300fsb only.

So do you guys get it? Not all CPU manufactured have the same overclockability.
If so, why people busy looking for stepping, reading review, etc?

No free lunch dude.

ronho, u have 2 understand the purpose of the BSEL mod. It's to 'fool' the NB strap so it doesnt limit prematurely. the 945GC is only good on 266fsb. from there onwards, manually adjust the fsb till ur cpu maxes out@ stock vcore

cool down la bro..they are learning..

yeah..we are learning..im just asking..dont have to get emotional..btw,thanx for ur info..i'll try myself after this.

Here are some information about 'super budget overclock' platform..


the board use in this review is a conroe1333 with DVI,the non DVI version is much more cheaper and i think the performance should be same,i oredi get my ' Wolfdale1333 d667' in Thunder Match at only RM145 ,tis board will pair with my e2160 modded,i not yet have the chance to test the performance due to my other parts is located in my hometown,only can look at the mobo and proc everyday and imagine myself




the pricelist state 'Conroe1333 d667', but the stock they selling is actually 'Wolfdale1333 d667'...i think the performance is same

i'm seeing quite a number of celeron ocers nowadays.. what's the average oc on those?

does this means a 1066fsb capable mobo can be oc to 1066fsb++ without any problems or limitations?

The 1066Mhz and 1333Mhz spec's refer to the memory speed's that the mobo is capable of supporting....you can change the FSB speeds by changing the processor multiple setting in BIOS (if its not locked)

then can the multiplier for e2180 can be changed??

Of course YES

and to add, only downwards..not bi-wards

.5 multiplier only penryn can.

the max multiplier for e2180 is 10x only rite??

did bsel on my 2140 and now running at 266fsb..biostar p4m900 cannot adjust the fsb from bios...anyone can give ideas how to?? adjust fsb 300 in bios but when boot up still says 266fsb only..???

clockgen perhaps?
not all chipset capable of running high fsb anywat

i just know about this thread, finished read all posts here, thanks guys
will get a E2140+stock HSF mybe next week, and get a decent 945 chipset mobo, n try to oc it, hopefully can get a good result

btw, a little silly question, is it a must we check with ohm meter after do bsel before put in the proc onto the mobo? coz i read in 1 site saying that (they r not saying it must, but they stated about it)

No. Just do the mod to connect the pins that need to be connected.

What ur max fsb before doing bsel mod?

bro, before bsel only 200fsb---set in sofrware but does not change...feb increase only after bsel...maybe mb constraints ??

no i mean max oc....

bro, cannot oc from bios...so where got max oc? can bsel then fsb266...else fsb200 only. Bios got settings but not work one...tx

It is advisable, if you have a multimeter to check the connectivity of the connection before plugging in, just to be on the safe side.

aha, dumd of me to forget this thread---even got some posts here.. ..managed to get 1 MSIn945 board and was surprised to be able to oc as the old biostar mb was a non ocer. e2180 went to 275 fsb (not yet push) and will report here later...funny that after bsel, the mb did not see the 266 fsb--so maybe didn't work...so its 200fsb direct to 275 fsb...if don't do bsel, what's the max possible???? tx

i wanna play budget pc alsooo...!! How is the celly for ocing... is it worth.. also what board can do 500Mhz for a celly?

not all boards recognises BSEL,

play budget ah... mm 500fsb u need G33 lor.

hey guys,i plan to sell my asrock wolfdale1333 ,and i plan to get a g31 chipset mobo which is oso value mobo,wan to know will my current bsel mod work on tat mobo oso ?

get ECS 945GC/1333Mhz.... damn cheap and recognize BSELed processor.. ^^

I have actually set my eyes on a Palit N35PV as motherboard for my target Rock Bottom OverClock system - the reason being that supposedly nVidia chipsets overclocks better than Intel ones on those budget KVR type of memories as the FSB is completely decoupled from the memory bus speed and the rest of the NB components. Unfortunately PC Zone who have listed it at RM195 told me that they are no longer stocking it, and the next cheapest nForce 7100 motherboard is RM215@TM (above the RM200 budget), so it looks like a 945G is the next best thing, unless anyone can point me to a good prices NF7100 mainboard.

Fortunately (or unfortunately) I'm thinking of grabbing a E6300 (I think) from a friend and those thing have 1066MHz FSB. Anyone here have experience doing this 1066 -> 1333 FSB mod ?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=132900

i jus change my asrock wolfdale1333 to msi 945gcm7.and change ram to this ocz ddr2 800,previously using KVR fp-y5.
i found tat my e2160 can reach 299mhz on asrock,but with tis msi board,i only can go untill 295,duno is my ram's problem or wat.since there is not much adjustment to play in this mobo BIOS,so quite hard to tweak it step by step







This post has been edited by xk2: Jul 26 2008, 11:29 AM

got 3.6Ghz on Intel E5400.. Uses BSEL mod and doing some bios settting just using MSI ms-7507 cheapboard.. try on E2180 got 3.1GHZ max... FSB got Max at 1.1Ghz only...

hi, I got a Pentium D 805 anyone know how to overclock it? need guide thanks

Nice way to necro 3yrs old thread, for Pentium D 805, Just change the FSB from 266 to 333FSB. This will make ur CPU run @ 3.33Ghz from 2.66Ghz. A clean 666Mhz overclock without upping voltage.

if u wish to bring it pass 3.5GHz with our kind of weather, u might need some voltage increase.

This post has been edited by billytong: Jun 12 2011, 02:41 PM

And also need to see your Motherboard spec, not all motherboard can OC too much, and need to slow slow up

got intel pentium dual-core user here?? guys im kinda newbie of OC-ing around here..but if got sifoo around here hope can learn it from you guys btw...today i try to push up my old G41 mobo to the max of its FSB (1333) and the mobo still can hold up it..here i upload the attachment..btw im using E6600 model question is..my idling tempature only can going low to 35 & 37 celcius..is it normal or should below more than that??

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why u complain low temp on CPU?

I got similar CPU pentium Dual core E5800 but 800FSB version,

Stock @ 1.28v @ 3.2GHz (200FSBx16)
G41 mobo
Cooler Master TX-3

I manage to pull @ 3.73GHz(266x14) @ 1.29v

or

3.83GHz(333x11.5) @ 1.322v

So I think u can lower ur voltage down to 1.32-1.33v Not sure if mine is golden chip or not, because it can do the same 3.83(333x11.5) @ 1.322v only on Prime95 and battiefield3 beta a few days.

not bad for a old CPU to play latest game.

g41 mobo max fsb 341
but if increase pcie frequency 100 to 104 you will get 350 fsb max

Hi, can anyone help me with my E5300, it has stability issues when I try pushing it further. Info on this thread, http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2175062

try lower the ram divider.