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post Apr 6 2008, 05:15 AM

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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 5 2008, 11:24 AM)
Thanks for the info. So in total you'll have 3 dual OPA627s in your Zero. And you already upgraded yours with better caps/components earlier. I think the upgrades already cost as much as your Zero if not more tongue.gif

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actually the mods + opamps alone costs more than the ZERO itself already laugh.gif

now just itching for the 627s to arrive..


QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 5 2008, 09:35 PM)
Emmm .... I just cant see any LME49720 impression in DAC section after few days of waiting? You guys threw the tissue paper wrap into rubbish bin ade? biggrin.gif
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i still cant find mine...cant remember where i put it cry.gif
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post Apr 6 2008, 07:01 PM

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LT1364
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
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4.
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LT1361
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3.
4.
5.

LT1469
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3.
4.
5.

Now we got the ball start kicking, anyone else? Target a 20 unit bulk smile.gif

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post Apr 6 2008, 10:55 PM

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As I am going thru the thread, I found the experience is more rewarding if I try to experiment diff opamp and analyse the behaviors of opamp for your liking.Pls find review from lawrence here and lets see who wants what.

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I am highly recommended OPA627.
See below:

The op-amps used are generally of poor quality, corrupting the analogue signal, having a disastrous effect on the sonic capabilities of the CD player. The effects are a smearing of detail, reduced dynamics, congestion of instruments on complex music passages causing a mass of sound, rather than a spacious, airy, sound stage. The quality of the mid-high frequencies is particularly poor, where the mid-band is brittle and aggressive, and higher frequencies are edgy, cold and fatiguing to listen to.

The following op-amps produce the poorest results; NE5534, NJM2114, NE5532, NJM4558, NJM4560, AD711, AD712, LM833.

The performance of op-amps from different manufacturers varies considerably. Therefore, selecting a single type of op-amp to meet the parameters required for the analogue output stage involved analysing data sheets and conducting many listening tests.

The important parameters for sound quality are high speed (or bandwidth) low THD, fast settling, and low input noise. The most natural and musical sounding were FET-Input types as opposed to bipolar.

Burr Brown OPA 627 BP(single, ceramic) on Browndog adaptor
Price: US$28 each (Total US$56 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $61
Comment: Two words sum this chip up........ "absolute class" This is single chip and it was necessary to fit two single channel 627's onto a single to dual Browndog adaptor which Adapts two single-channel DIP-8 op-amps to a dual DIP-8 pinout. These 2 single channel op amps absolutely trounced anything that had gone before them ..... the width of the soundstage, the clarity and the sheer presence make this my choice of op amp for use in the Chiarra without a shadow of a doubt. The sound is just so "clean", so "natural", so "musical" and so "detailed" with the 627's on board. The Burr Brown 627 "is" headphone heaven....... absolute class act.


LM4562(dual, ceramic)
Price: US$30.
Comment : A "Very" revealing chip, sound similar to the OPA627 but puncher around the edges. I found this chip gave out "way" too much information for my liking. It is analytical to the point that certain pieces of music can become impossible to listen to, especially bad recordings, it reproduces every last detail / imperfection with microscopic accuracy which, at times, can be detrimental to the overall enjoyment of the music. For those that love a warts and all insight into the music then this is the star of the show but it may not be to everyone liking. It may be an op amp which can beat OPA627.

Burr Brown OPA2604 (dual, ceramic)
Price: US$10.
Comment: OPA2604 sounded very warm, very laid back and very easy to listen to but slightly veiled in the detail department. "Chocolaty" and "syrupy" though a good easy to listen to Op amp., This may just be what the doctor ordered for those who like a laid back, thick, chocolaty, easy going and easy to listen to sound.

Linear techonolgy LT1057(dual, ceramic)
Price: US$20,
Comment: Without a shadow of a doubt this op amp is the star of the the centry. Easy to listen to, easy to pick out every last detail and ever so natural. There was an ethereal quality to the sound that only ever heard on high quality loudspeaker based systems. It's hard to put what this op amp does into words but listening to the sound with it on board is as close to headphone heaven. Very analytical.

Linear techonolgy LT1028(single, ceramic) on Browndog adaptor
Price: US$15 each (Total US$30 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $35
Comment: It provided very similar results to the LT-1057 but each component of the sound was treated to an additional air of realism and effortless delivery that was immediately evident.

Linear techonolgy LT1028(single, metal) on Browndog adaptor
Price: US$25 each (Total US$50 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $52
Comment: It provided very similar results to the LT-1028 but the sound is ten times better LT-1028 with their punch , detail , range of frequency ..... especially the naturality.

Analog device AD797 (single, ceramic)
Price: US$25 each (Total US$50 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $52
Comment : Smooth, highly analytical, warm, uncoloured, laid back yet all detail is present (and then some) Very electrostatic quality to the sound with that super solid state bass underpinning the proceedings without overwhelming them. Start and stops are followed by an inky black silence and the timbre of the drums is very realistic indeed. Something that is very evident with this op amp is it's inherent ability to provide accurate timing which I really do like! There is no bass overhang, the drums start and stop as they should and, as a result, the timing is pretty much spot on. This is like listening to music with a stethoscope with the metronome ticking away in the background but it also adds a touch of valium to make the experience very bearable and extremely enjoyable.

Analog device DY2000 (dual, ceramic)
Price: US$20
Comment : These chips makes the sound more valve like than the tube sound ever did if that can possibly make any sense! Melodious, slightly laid back and warm yet it brings out every last bit of detail from a recording. Overall a very nice sound. A kind of hybrid valve and solid state mix which gives the best of both worlds. Nice smooth valve like mids and highs with lovely solid state bass oomph . This is the Op amp for those who prefer a valve like sound but would also like a solid state bottom end delivery. With this Op amp you can have your cake and eat it. Smooth as silk.

Analog device DY2000 (dual, metal)
Price: US$35.
Comment : It provided very similar results to the DY2000 ceramic but the sound is ten times better with their punch , detail , range of frequency ..... especially the naturality.
Thank you very much !

Best regards,
Lawrence


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post Apr 7 2008, 12:25 AM

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ok, i have to start apologize my previous statement or feedback.

Today i spent 3 to 4 hours listening music(playing computer in the same time), i found out that what i listen is totally different to what i listen few days back. Everything is improved than b4, i never believe the term of "Burn-in" back then. Lol. I didn't know it can be such big different(HUGE) before burn-in and after burn-in. I really enjoy listening right now and haven't change any opamp yet(it's still all stock/oem). What i like now is the bass become more live and deep, voice become neutral than before, mid is clear and balance. Overall, it served me real well now. biggrin.gif

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post Apr 7 2008, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(Andiboi @ Apr 7 2008, 12:25 AM)
ok, i have to start apologize my previous statement or feedback.

Today i spent 3 to 4 hours listening music(playing computer in the same time), i found out that what i listen is totally different to what i listen few days back. Everything is improved than b4, i never believe the term of "Burn-in" back then. Lol. I didn't know it can be such big different(HUGE) before burn-in and after burn-in. I really enjoy listening right now and haven't change any opamp yet(it's still all stock/oem). What i like now is the bass become more live and deep, voice become neutral than before, mid is clear and balance. Overall, it served me real well now. biggrin.gif
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Emmm ... it's ok, it's usually takes time to make a doubter to become believer cool2.gif That's why I always mentioned always give around one week time for the gadget to burn in, it sounds lots different biggrin.gif

So still no body wanna follow up the LT opamp bulk? mADmAN? ccschua? dark_evilz? utellme? rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 7 2008, 12:38 AM

 
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I think Lawrence's sound preference is more towards the "tube" sound signature. You can notice it in the stock Zero sound. And further stated with his support for the LT1057 tongue.gif
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post Apr 7 2008, 09:31 AM

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Based on what Lawrence say make me tick for LT1057, AD797 on browndog and DY2000 (metal). I would also like to try LT1364.

kwekeugene, can i try yr opamp?
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 7 2008, 12:37 AM)
Emmm ... it's ok, it's usually takes time to make a doubter to become believer  cool2.gif That's why I always mentioned always give around one week time for the gadget to burn in, it sounds lots different biggrin.gif

So still no body wanna follow up the LT opamp bulk? mADmAN? ccschua? dark_evilz? utellme?  rolleyes.gif
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How much does those opamp costs?
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post Apr 7 2008, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 7 2008, 12:37 AM)
Emmm ... it's ok, it's usually takes time to make a doubter to become believer  cool2.gif That's why I always mentioned always give around one week time for the gadget to burn in, it sounds lots different biggrin.gif

So still no body wanna follow up the LT opamp bulk? mADmAN? ccschua? dark_evilz? utellme?  rolleyes.gif
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GodLuvSxs, I wld like this.

LT1364 x 1
LT1361 x 1


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post Apr 7 2008, 10:41 AM

 
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 7 2008, 09:31 AM)
Based on what Lawrence say make me tick for LT1057, AD797 on browndog and DY2000 (metal). I would also like to try LT1364.

kwekeugene, can i try yr opamp?
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Sure, where's your location?

QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 7 2008, 10:16 AM)
GodLuvSxs, I wld like this.

LT1364 x 1
LT1361 x 1
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I think if you want to put it in the amp section you would need (2 units).
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post Apr 7 2008, 10:43 AM

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Opps .... posted using GF's acc tongue.gif Will switch back to mine ASAP biggrin.gif

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post Apr 7 2008, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 7 2008, 10:02 AM)
How much does those opamp costs?
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Details:
LT1364 USD4.58/each x 3.3(conversion rate) = RM14.1 (Most balanced of the bunch, highly recommended)
LT1361 USD4.25/each x 3.3(conversion rate) = RM14.0 (Nice mid but lack of transparent high and bass)
LT1469 USD5.85/each x 3.3(conversion rate) = RM19.3 (Most detailed of the bunch but mid and bass not that great)

Shipping fees is USD34 per shipment, sorry for expensive rate cos it's the LT only settle for FeDex no other choice, let's say if total order unit is 20units, then USD34/20units = USD1.7/unit is the shipping rate

QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 7 2008, 10:16 AM)
GodLuvSxs, I wld like this.

LT1364 x 1
LT1361 x 1
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LT1364
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3. utellme
4.
5.

LT1361
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3. utellme
4.
5.

LT1469
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3.
4.
5.

still got 12 unit to complete the 20 pcs bulk, or should we change to 15 unit bulk? sweat.gif

QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 7 2008, 10:41 AM)
Sure, where's your location?
I think if you want to put it in the amp section you would need (2 units).
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I think bro utellme only using it as DAC connect to his speaker setup, rich dude which got place and money to setup speaker LOL So Bro what's your final combination in your ZERO right now? OPA627 in dac and LT1364 in amp? All opamp well burnt in?

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post Apr 7 2008, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 7 2008, 10:41 AM)
Sure, where's your location?
I think if you want to put it in the amp section you would need (2 units).
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Just give Steve some support on his opamp bulk biggrin.gif , I only use at DAC section, cuurently the Zero is paired with my NAD amp.
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I'll decide which one to buy later on, need to do some research first. LME49720 doesn't sounds nice with Katie Melua and Leann Rimes vocals, so I decide to change them biggrin.gif
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post Apr 7 2008, 03:15 PM

 
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Not really well burnt in yet but the LT1364 is really scary la. It is so hot you can't touch it for more that 2-3 seconds with your finger.

The LT1057 is the best, runs very cool.
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post Apr 7 2008, 03:24 PM

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@kwekeugene
i suggest getting them chipset heatsinks like the ones from zalman or even coolermaster. should help dissipate the heat a little.

of course itll be better if u can figure out a way to blow a fan on the heatsinks as well biggrin.gif

anyway.....

wooooohhhhoooooo!!!!.......... just received my last 2 units of opa627s....thanks mike!!! gonna install them now rclxm9.gif


Added on April 7, 2008, 4:06 pmall installed.... rclxm9.gif

headamp section....

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and finally.... THE ULTIMATE ZERO flex.gif bruce.gif
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post Apr 7 2008, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Apr 7 2008, 03:24 PM)
@kwekeugene
i suggest getting them chipset heatsinks like the ones from zalman or even coolermaster. should help dissipate the heat a little.

of course itll be better if u can figure out a way to blow a fan on the heatsinks as well biggrin.gif

anyway.....

wooooohhhhoooooo!!!!.......... just received my last 2 units of opa627s....thanks mike!!! gonna install them now rclxm9.gif


Added on April 7, 2008, 4:06 pmall installed.... rclxm9.gif

headamp section....

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and finally.... THE ULTIMATE ZERO flex.gif bruce.gif
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after plug in all the 3 set OPA627 + BrownDog into Zero, Is it sound better then Yulong? hmm.gif
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post Apr 7 2008, 04:49 PM

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just only plug in mah...so cant really tell...

besides.. ive never heard the yulong nor even seen it in real life so i cant compare between the 2

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post Apr 7 2008, 06:13 PM

 
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I guess yours will be super revealing. Haha tongue.gif You'll have a tough time looking for music which will sound perfect tongue.gif
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post Apr 7 2008, 06:21 PM

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Well they are Ibasso, Yulong, Zhaolu (new version) and other DAC to compare with but it boils down to costs and the flexibility of rolling. With other DAC, any mistake in the swapping and soldering will fry the chip. Zero is just plug and play and good play ground before one matures.

how I do the burn in, feed the ZERO with thousands of mp3 with the headphone connected .. is there other way?

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