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arthas
post Nov 15 2008, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(trainee06 @ Nov 15 2008, 09:52 AM)
Therefore, choose the account yourself instead let your remisier choose for you. Some tricky remisier will help you open the securitised so will not "eat" his trading limit because either his clients losses is so hugh until he no longer have limit or his security deposit is limited to shares among his clients.

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this is a nice piece of info... thanks for sharing rclxms.gif


Added on November 15, 2008, 12:41 pm
QUOTE(htt @ Nov 14 2008, 11:28 PM)
Spot on. rclxms.gif
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so the example that Irzani gave is called "rights issued" right?
for "bonus issued", u'll get the bonus shares free?

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QUOTE(arthas @ Nov 15 2008, 12:39 PM)
this is a nice piece of info... thanks for sharing  rclxms.gif


Added on November 15, 2008, 12:41 pm

so the example that Irzani gave is called "rights issued" right?
for "bonus issued", u'll get the bonus shares free?
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No, the example is bonus issue (also known as share split).
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post Nov 17 2008, 03:17 AM

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The last time I give a question about share split from entitlement. Now, just find the right one example for the dividend ..

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MELEWAR INDUSTRIAL GROUP BERHAD

EX-date : 11/12/2008 
Entitlement date : 15/12/2008 
Entitlement time : 05:00:00 PM 
Entitlement subject : First and Final Dividend
Entitlement description : First and Final Dividend of 4% less 25% Tax


Payment date  : 30/12/2008
a. Securities transferred into the Depositor's Securities Account before 4:00 pm in respect of transfers
: 15/12/2008
b. Securities deposited into the Depositor's Securities Account before 12:30 pm in respect of securities exempted from mandatory deposit

c. Securities bought on the Exchange on a cum entitlement basis according to the Rules of the Exchange.

Entitlement indicator : Percentage
Entitlement in percentage (%) : 4
Is this the right step?

1) Buy shares from Melewar before closing time 5 pm by or before 11/12/2008.
2) Keep the shares until 15/12/2008.
3) By 9 a.m, 16/12/2008, the shares already can be sell.
3) Get your payment by 30/12/2008.

Like this? Or I'm wrong? Hehehe .. very naive .. tongue.gif

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post Nov 17 2008, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Nov 17 2008, 03:17 AM)
The last time I give a question about share split from entitlement. Now, just find the right one example for the dividend ..
Is this the right step?

1) Buy shares from Melewar before closing time 5 pm by or before 11/12/2008.
2) Keep the shares until 15/12/2008.
3) By 9 a.m, 16/12/2008, the shares already can be sell.
3) Get your payment by 30/12/2008.

Like this? Or I'm wrong? Hehehe .. very naive .. tongue.gif
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1) Buy before 11/12 meaning last transaction should be before 10/12 5pm. On 11/12 trading day, the counter would already be adjusted.

2) No need to keep until 15/12. You can sell on the 11/12 which is the ex-date after the counter adjusted.

3) -

4) Profit!


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post Nov 17 2008, 04:12 PM

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If a buyer and a seller queue at the same time with the following prices, then what will be the transacted price?

Assume last transacted price is RM2.15

Buyer queue RM2.15
Seller queue RM2.10

Will the buyer buys at 2.15 or 2.10?
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post Nov 17 2008, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 17 2008, 04:12 PM)
If a buyer and a seller queue at the same time with the following prices, then what will be the transacted price?

Assume last transacted price is RM2.15

Buyer queue RM2.15
Seller queue RM2.10

Will the buyer buys at 2.15 or 2.10?
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Last transaction has nothing to do.

It depends who key in the order first.

If buyer Q at 2.15 first then even seller key in order of 2.10, it will be matched at 2.15
If seller Q at 2.10 first then even buyer key in order of 2.15, it will be matched at 2.10


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 17 2008, 04:48 PM)
Last transaction has nothing to do.

It depends who key in the order first.

If buyer Q at 2.15 first then even seller key in order of 2.10, it will be matched at 2.15
If seller Q at 2.10 first then even buyer key in order of 2.15, it will be matched at 2.10
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Thanks.

Which board is more volatile? which is better hunting ground for newbies? Which is safer for newbies? Main board or Second board?

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post Nov 17 2008, 06:02 PM

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Hi,

I have previously vested in some stock about 6 years ago, but that time I dont know much about share so I just listen to advice from some friend (not that I know much now tongue.gif ), I am glad it went alright that time. I wanted to reinvest some fund back into the share market in the coming weeks too, but this time I would really like to learn and make inform decision myself. I have been following this thread and few others in this forum recently. But I have a few questions... hope some sifus can icon_question.gif me:

1. I have an account with avenue securities 6 years ago, bought and sold all the shares. So my account is not active anymore and I do not have any information about it, I remember the remisier called me to close my account about 5 years ago, but I dont know the difference between cd and trading account that time, so I am not sure whether i close the cd, trading or both blush.gif . Do I have to open a new CD account if I were to use another security company like OSK (since I have been relocated recently). Or OSK will be able to find my old CD account and I only have to open a new trading account with them to start trading?

2. profit/divident from share is it taxable? (is it true that there is no tax for divident starting 2008?) do we nomaly declare?

3. how about mutual fund? is this taxable also?

4. which factor is important deciding whether to buy or not? P/E ratio, future of company/industry, divident, account transperancy? (I wanted to invest for the longer term, targetting about 10-15% return per year.

5. what is a suport level/resist level means?

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 17 2008, 05:13 PM)
Thanks.

Which board is more volatile? which is better hunting ground for newbies? Which is safer for newbies? Main board or Second board?
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There is no safer ground in stock market, want safer investment, then go for FD. No offence.

For newbie, don't invest anything before knowing and fully clear about it.

For stock, it is always advisable go for blue chips that is well reputable.

Don't mean others can't make money, but blue chips are always lower risk than other unknown xyz stock, as normally blue chips are well covered by research house, which you can obtain the company easily than others unknown stocks. Reputable or well managed is also a key factor that people has confidence about the company.

QUOTE(smooth9 @ Nov 17 2008, 06:02 PM)
Hi,

I have previously vested in some stock about  6 years ago, but that time I dont know much about share so I just listen to advice from some friend (not that I know much now  tongue.gif ), I am glad it went alright that time. I wanted to reinvest some fund back into the share market in the coming weeks too, but this time I would really like to learn and make inform decision myself. I have been following this thread and few others in this forum recently. But I have a few questions... hope some sifus can  icon_question.gif  me:

1. I have an account with avenue securities 6 years ago, bought and sold all the shares. So my account is not active anymore and I do not have any information about it, I remember the remisier called me to close my account about 5 years ago, but I dont know the difference between cd and trading account that time, so I am not sure whether i close the cd, trading or both  blush.gif . Do I have to open a new CD account if I were to use another security company like OSK (since I have been relocated recently). Or OSK will be able to find my old CD account and I only have to open a new trading account with them to start trading?

2. profit/divident from share is it taxable? (is it true that there is no tax for divident starting 2008?) do we nomaly declare?

3. how about mutual fund? is this taxable also?

4. which factor is important deciding whether to buy or not? P/E ratio, future of company/industry, divident, account transperancy? (I wanted to invest for the longer term, targetting about 10-15% return per year.

5. what is a suport level/resist level means?

Thanks a lot notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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1. No, CDS and trading account generally won't be closed, once open, generally people leave it there, even though it is inactive. So properly you still have the CDS account.. But if your remisier said they want to close the account, then it can be done as well.

No, OSK can't access your Avenue's CDS. If you open an account with OSK, then you have to open another CDS account even you have one at Avenue. CDS is attacked with investment bank or broker house, so if you have 5 trading account with different broker house, then you need to open 5 CDS account.

So don't need to bother the Avenue CDS close or not close, if you intended to trade using OSK.

2. Profit from share trade is not taxable as it is under capital gain which is non-taxable in Malaysia. But dividend is taxable.
From 2008 onwards, those start to declare dividend under new single tier system, those dividend received in your hand already been taxed, so no further tax. <-- where people presumed it is not taxed, in fact it is not.
It is not actually no tax as tax being paid first on company level compared to old system which not taxed at company leve. Just you won't see it, doesn't mean it is not taxed.

3. Mutual fund is under capital gain tax as well.

4. The most important criteria is company profit especially future profit as company profit is the most important factor that determine the share price. All factors you list are important as well as it is combination factor that determine the price and valuation people willing to buy the share.

5. Support level is determined from chart or technical analysis whereby on this level, based on chart, it shows plenty of people want to buy, so share has good support factor (but it doesn't mean it can break to lower level, if selling is strong. So on the opposite side, resistance means there are a lot of selling at that level.

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Thanks a lot cherroy notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif very clear and well put, I will pay a visit to OSK soon, there is so much to learn smile.gif
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Hi, I'm viewing online live stock data provided by my broker. Is the dividend per share net of the 25% tax or gross dividend?
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 19 2008, 10:39 PM)
Hi, I'm viewing online live stock data provided by my broker. Is the dividend per share net of the 25% tax or gross dividend?
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No.
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 19 2008, 11:46 PM)
No.
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No means, net or gross?
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 20 2008, 12:01 AM)
No means, net or gross?
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Gross.
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 20 2008, 12:03 AM)
Gross.
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Thanks.
Wow, means if the dividend yield is 10%, then the after tax dividend is only 7.5%. This sucks.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Nov 17 2008, 08:59 AM)
1) Buy before 11/12 meaning last transaction should be before 10/12 5pm. On 11/12 trading day, the counter would already be adjusted.

2) No need to keep until 15/12. You can sell on the 11/12 which is the ex-date after the counter adjusted.

3) -

4) Profit!
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Thanks, this help a lot, playing dividends stock look profitable too in short terms .. smile.gif
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 20 2008, 12:10 AM)
Thanks.
Wow, means if the dividend yield is 10%, then the after tax dividend is only 7.5%. This sucks.
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Cannot calculate like this, because 1-tier one will reflect the net dividend, imputation one you can claim back until you highest tax bracket (unless your income is so high until 25%, if that's the case, mind be friend with me tongue.gif ), tax free one will also reflect before tax (before tax & after tax the same).
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 20 2008, 06:47 AM)
Cannot calculate like this, because 1-tier one will reflect the net dividend, imputation one you can claim back until you highest tax bracket (unless your income is so high until 25%, if that's the case, mind be friend with me tongue.gif ), tax free one will also reflect before tax (before tax & after tax the same).
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I'm in a low tax bracket. That's why I feel dividend income...straightaway deduct 25% for tax (if no imputation) is expensive.
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 20 2008, 01:27 PM)
I'm in a low tax bracket. That's why I feel dividend income...straightaway deduct 25% for tax (if no imputation) is expensive.
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Then go join election and nominate yourself as MP lah, as first step to get that abolished.
Anyway, I think Malaysia already the last few countries to implement this system liao, don't complaint much. Sometime we should thank our government for implementing this late tongue.gif

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