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ganstream1
post Mar 15 2010, 06:03 PM

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Can someone help me, I'm wondering, what does it mean when the profit and revenue of a company increases, yet its EPS decline?

thanks.
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QUOTE(ganstream1 @ Mar 15 2010, 06:03 PM)
Can someone help me, I'm wondering, what does it mean when the profit and revenue of a company increases, yet its EPS decline?

thanks.
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Maybe share issued increased.
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QUOTE(ganstream1 @ Mar 15 2010, 06:03 PM)
Can someone help me, I'm wondering, what does it mean when the profit and revenue of a company increases, yet its EPS decline?

thanks.
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Revenue is to describe sales coming in for the company and profits before tax is after subtracting their operational costs and financial costs. Net profit after tax will be divided among all the shares to get the EPS.

Likely scenario where Revenue increase but EPS drop, like in the case of BJTOTO recently is due to their higher operational costs. Where revenue actually increase higher than previous quarter but EPS is lower.

If revenue and profit before tax increases but EPS still drop, likely due to some tax issue as in the case of YTLPOWER during their 4Q2009 report where their recognition of some tax in their accounts completely decimated their EPS for that quarter.

And another is that revenue, profit before tax and net profits increased but EPS goes down, is most likely what htt explained. New share issue which dilutes the EPS as more shares are introduced to the market. New shares can be issued via bonus issue, rights/warrants, ESOS, bond conversion, ICULS, etc.

Best is always read the notes of a quarterly report which normally would describe and explain why the numbers are different. While most companies give general answers and explanations, some do make an effort to add some detail for their investors. Never judge a company's performance from a newspaper/financial websites headlines as most of it is generally misleading. Always read the report yourself and do some number crunching for your own conclusion.

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 18 2010, 01:20 AM)
Revenue is to describe sales coming in for the company and profits before tax is after subtracting their operational costs and financial costs. Net profit after tax will be divided among all the shares to get the EPS.

Likely scenario where Revenue increase but EPS drop, like in the case of BJTOTO recently is due to their higher operational costs. Where revenue actually increase higher than previous quarter but EPS is lower.

If revenue and profit before tax increases but EPS still drop, likely due to some tax issue as in the case of YTLPOWER during their 4Q2009 report where their recognition of some tax in their accounts completely decimated their EPS for that quarter.

And another is that revenue, profit before tax and net profits increased but EPS goes down, is most likely what htt explained. New share issue which dilutes the EPS as more shares are introduced to the market. New shares can be issued via bonus issue, rights/warrants, ESOS, bond conversion, ICULS, etc.

Best is always read the notes of a quarterly report which normally would describe and explain why the numbers are different. While most companies give general answers and explanations, some do make an effort to add some detail for their investors. Never judge a company's performance from a newspaper/financial websites headlines as most of it is generally misleading.  Always read the report yourself and do some number crunching for your own conclusion.
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Thank you for the answer, I usually skip the reports and went straight for the financial statement etc. I'll be sure to read the report next time. Thanks again biggrin.gif
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post Mar 18 2010, 05:28 PM

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Sifus, want to ask. Whats the differences between ACE & Main market ?
In the case below, how would SCICOM benefit ? Also on transfer of listing, would the price still be same ?


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0099 SCICOM SCICOM (MSC) BHD
TRANSFER OF LISTING

SCICOM (MSC) BERHAD ("SCICOM" OR THE "COMPANY")
TRANSFER OF THE LISTING OF AND QUOTATION FOR THE ENTIRE ISSUED AND PAID-UP
SHARE CAPITAL OF SCICOM FROM THE ACE MARKET TO THE MAIN MARKET OF BURSA
MALAYSIA SECURITIES BERHAD ("TRANSFER")
The terms used herein, unless the context otherwise stated, bear the same
meaning as those defined in the earlier announcements in relation to the
Transfer.
We refer to the announcements made by OSK Investment Bank Berhad ("OSK"), on
behalf of the Board of Directors of Scicom ("Board") on 26 October 2009, 16
December 2009 and 12 March 2010.
On behalf of the Board, OSK wishes to announce that Bursa Malaysia Securities
Berhad ("Bursa Securities") had, vide their letter dated 17 March 2010,
approved the transfer of Scicoms entire enlarged issued and paid-up share
capital from the ACE Market to the Main Market of Bursa Securities, under the
Trading/ Services sector.
The Transfer will take effect immediately two (2) clear market days upon the
issuance of the following:-
(i) the introductory document in relation to the Transfer;
(ii) a box advertisement of the Transfer is advertised; and
(iii) announcement to Bursa Securities on the Transfer date via Bursa Link.
This announcement is dated 17 March 2010.


Added on March 19, 2010, 12:28 am
QUOTE(whizzer @ Mar 18 2010, 05:28 PM)
Sifus, want to ask. Whats the differences between ACE & Main market ?
In the case below, how would SCICOM benefit ? Also on transfer of listing, would the price still be same ?
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0099    SCICOM    SCICOM (MSC) BHD 
TRANSFER OF LISTING 

SCICOM (MSC) BERHAD ("SCICOM" OR THE "COMPANY")
TRANSFER OF THE LISTING OF AND QUOTATION FOR THE ENTIRE ISSUED AND PAID-UP
SHARE CAPITAL OF SCICOM FROM THE ACE MARKET TO THE MAIN MARKET OF BURSA
MALAYSIA SECURITIES BERHAD ("TRANSFER")
The terms used herein, unless the context otherwise stated, bear the same
meaning as those defined in the earlier announcements in relation to the
Transfer.
We refer to the announcements made by OSK Investment Bank Berhad ("OSK"), on
behalf of the Board of Directors of Scicom ("Board") on 26 October 2009, 16
December 2009 and 12 March 2010.
On behalf of the Board, OSK wishes to announce that Bursa Malaysia Securities
Berhad ("Bursa Securities") had, vide their letter dated 17 March 2010,
approved the transfer of Scicoms entire enlarged issued and paid-up share
capital from the ACE Market to the Main Market of Bursa Securities, under the
Trading/ Services sector.
The Transfer will take effect immediately two (2) clear market days upon the
issuance of the following:-
(i)    the introductory document in relation to the Transfer;
(ii)    a box advertisement of the Transfer is advertised; and
(iii)  announcement to Bursa Securities on the Transfer date via Bursa Link.
This announcement is dated 17 March 2010.
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Nevermind, i manage to googled & found the following article from theStar

Still Enchanted with the Main Board

This post has been edited by whizzer: Mar 19 2010, 12:28 AM
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post Mar 20 2010, 11:26 PM

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Hi Sifu,

How can we calculate RSI ? where can we get the RSI rating ?

Thank you !
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post Mar 22 2010, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(officeBoy @ Mar 20 2010, 11:26 PM)
Hi Sifu,

How can we calculate RSI ? where can we get the RSI rating ?

Thank you !
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To know RSI go to
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rsi.asp
Most charting software provide RSI so you don't have to calculate manually.
but just wondering why want to use such an index unless you are already well verse with some basic tools.
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Hi can someone tell me what is the symbol ! or * appear beside a stock name mean.

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QUOTE(myasiahobby @ Mar 22 2010, 05:26 PM)
Hi can someone tell me what is the symbol ! or * appear beside a stock name mean.

Thank You
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Symbol Interpretation
* Indicates the availability of news/announcements pertaining to the company in the company announcement page
o Indicates Syariah counters
C Indicates Cum Entitlement for the Company
X Indicates ex Entitlement for the Company
! Indicates PN4 Counter, active with alert announcement

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Is a stock in PN4 Counter, active with alert announcement a good stock or so so. In Bursa PN4 counter seem like does not exist only PN17 counter. What is the different between PN17 counter and other.

Thank You....

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post Mar 22 2010, 09:37 PM

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hi guys...may i know whats the meaning of the following announcement?

Coupon of 4% per annum ICSLS

Entitlement Details:
Coupon of four per cent (4%) per annum (less any Malaysian income or
withholding tax applicable thereto to be deducted if required) for Irredeemable
Convertible Secured Loan Stocks (ICSLS)


Entitlement Type: Loan Stock Interest
Entitlement Date and Time: 16/03/2010 05:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date:
EX Date: 12/03/2010
To SCANS Date:
Payment Date:
Interest Payment Period:
Rights Issue Price: 0.000
Trading of Rights Start On:
Trading of Rights End On:
Stock Par Value:


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post Mar 22 2010, 11:20 PM

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any suggestions for how i could start to look for a good share?? any tips from pro?? i'm still a student....
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QUOTE(Coconut @ Mar 22 2010, 09:37 PM)
hi guys...may i know whats the meaning of the following announcement?

Coupon of 4% per annum ICSLS 

Entitlement Details:
Coupon of four per cent (4%) per annum (less any Malaysian income or
withholding tax applicable thereto to be deducted if required) for Irredeemable
Convertible Secured Loan Stocks (ICSLS)


Entitlement Type: Loan Stock Interest
Entitlement Date and Time: 16/03/2010  05:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date: 
EX Date: 12/03/2010
To SCANS Date: 
Payment Date: 
Interest Payment Period: 
Rights Issue Price: 0.000
Trading of Rights Start On: 
Trading of Rights End On: 
Stock Par Value:
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Mean interest distribution for ICULS.
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post Mar 23 2010, 10:49 PM

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Hi all. I noticed that while we are not short of brokers, not all of them offer proper charting capabilities. I view that as something I cannot trade without. Do you all have other charting software to recommend?
Also, is there stop loss in brokers?
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post Mar 24 2010, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Mar 23 2010, 06:42 AM)
Mean interest distribution for ICULS.
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That means i will get something like dividen? Normally it will write when is the payment date right?

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QUOTE(Coconut @ Mar 24 2010, 04:37 PM)
That means i will get something like dividen? Normally it will write when is the payment date right?
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Yes.
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Hi sifu,pls explain how share liquidity affecting share price?
This is regrading SAAG ,keep on private placement,
share price still downhill.
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QUOTE(ekhoono @ Mar 26 2010, 12:13 AM)
Hi sifu,pls explain how share liquidity affecting share price?
This is regrading SAAG ,keep on private placement,
share price still downhill.
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Private placements means issuing new shares for private investors. Whenever new shares are issued whether by private placement, rights/warrant issue etc. the profit distributed among the shares will be lesser per share.

More people means smaller slice of pie for everyone.


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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 26 2010, 02:33 AM)
Private placements means issuing new shares for private investors. Whenever new shares are issued whether by private placement, rights/warrant issue etc. the profit distributed among the shares will be lesser per share.

More people means smaller slice of pie for everyone.
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It depends.

Private placements could mean, the companies are still in the expansion path, hence need more funds to be injected into the companies, meaning the business or profit is still growing at least proportionally or rapidly.

At the end of the day, EPS on enlarged basis is still maintained or growing.

Axreit and RCECap are just two examples of using private placements to expand their businesses.

There is nothing to be alarmed of with such a company.

Meaning, the original intention of a private placement could be more appropriately used for business expansions.

You still need to filter out the good ones from the bad ones ( that could have misused the funds for other objectives )

So an analysis has to be carried by an investor before investing .

That, we call Investing per se.

Good luck.

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 26 2010, 02:33 AM)
Private placements means issuing new shares for private investors. Whenever new shares are issued whether by private placement, rights/warrant issue etc. the profit distributed among the shares will be lesser per share.

More people means smaller slice of pie for everyone.
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If money raised from private placement is for expanding businesses which increase the profitability of the company, then it is considered positive.

But if private placement is not contribute to any profit increment in the future one, then it is negative.

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