I attend his P3 last sitting. Ya, he will give a lot of extra class. 24 + extra class will be come together around 30 class.

Based on last sitting, extra class will held on friday and only will start 2nd Term.

\Which paper u plan to take? I think you can try KSA cos majority of their lecturer also good and experience. Their tuition fees also can acceptable.

But my advise is at least you must go one time normal class, cos u will feel very hard for self study, especially when you are in Prof level paper.

The technique is very easy, just study hard June 1998 to Dec 2006 PYQ, then answer Q will not difficult.

For internal control, actually Philip mentioned different won't be much from F8, that's why he more concentrate in the Turnbull Report. For COSO, he also cover it but not too much. In the his set of Q & A, there is a question regarding the COSO, I think it should be sufficient for us to study and answer the COSO question.

According to ur comment about Parmindar teaching method for P1, I think the style was same as his P3 oso lah. I think Parmindar ok also lah for P1.

P2, some said Keith farmer good and same said Joe Fang ok. So I think I will choose Keith Farmer.

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Added on December 23, 2007, 9:22 pmDon't worry, Philip can finish the syllabus for P1 on time and give test also to help student answer exam question. And his class actually is from 10am - 6pm, extra 1 hour every leason. After I see the time table, It is 2 more extra day (10am - 6pm) as compare to last sitting, I think that one is for him teach student answer the exam question.

So you no need to worry too much for attend his class.

P2, according to my friends, he is good in Consol and ok ok for standard. But I think I will go for Keith Farmer.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 23 2007, 09:26 PM

I haven't attend class for Keith Farmer yet, so can't give any comment. But according to Coolly, his exam technique and teaching style is very good.

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Added on December 24, 2007, 12:01 amYa, I agree with you that his class too long. But no choice, he only come back to KL in the weekend to teach F8 and P1. Sometimes you must understand their situation.

Even if you go to Kwai Fatt P6, the time is more longer than Philip, Saturday - 2 to 7pm, Sunday - 9am to 5.30pm every week. Philip class only two week 1 time and if compare to Kwai Fatt every week saturday and sunday, it is consider better lo!

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 24 2007, 12:04 AM

Ha Ha, I already pass 2.2 long time ago. Anyway thanks for the advise.

But you still can refer paper 2.2, cos I'm sure some of the question still will repeat. Are you going to KSA - Vikness class? He is very good lecturer in tis paper.

Actually, the most important technique for this paper will be try to memorise the Section and case law. Short question always refer to Section and some case. Problem question always test you to advise the problem based on your understanding of that topic and apply some case to solve it.

If compare F4 to other theory paper, I can said this paper is a more easier.

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Added on December 24, 2007, 9:54 amHa Ha Ha, I think Kwai Fatt IRC is better than his normal class b'cos during the break, it will provide some food and drinks to serve us. So we can enjoy it during the tea break.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 24 2007, 09:54 AM

Kasturi Time Table

From:http://www.ksacitycampus.com/

Since u are more interest in finance, you go ahead for P4 lah. But I prefer you take P6 also even you are not interested, cos Tax is very good and help u in future when u go to work in any industry.

But you must remember for all the Prof level paper, there is no the story for focus on calcullation or theory.

For eg P6, examiner can ask you to give advise on tax planning based on the senario. So beside write the theory, you also need to come out some calculation to support you advise.

Application is more important in all the prof level paper. Even in P4, the calculation is just a supporting for your application and not main answer. The question in P4 is very practical, if you don't know how to apply, you will fail in tis paper oso.

So, my advise is choose paper based on your interest, not based on calculation or theory.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 28 2007, 09:36 AM

P4 also won't involve much calculation. The question in this paper is more practical than previous sitting.

Both P4 and P6 also, examiner will test you on Level 2 and Level 3 question, means ask you to apply, argue or analysis with your knowledge of that paper. You will see a lot of discuss, describe, identify, explain, assess and etc in the question.

So always remember calculation or memorise theory is not so important in any prof level paper. You can't learn theory by hard or practice calculation by hard in all this paper.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 28 2007, 10:18 AM

Yes, he is still at SEGi, but he didn't run normal class for June 2008. For IRC, he waiting for ppl request. If more ppl, then he will be back to teach.

Ha Ha Ha, you trust him ah?

I tell you, last time in his 3.2 normal class, he always said: "RM880 is not expensive. I prepare for u a lot of study material, teaching u do tax planning. This is only the time for u to learn tax planning. If u go to outside, u need to paid RM800 per day to learn tax planning."

In his 3.2 IRC, he will said :" You think this class, I earn a lot ah? Do u know that ppl charges me 6 cents per page for the notes I give to u? This is only the revision class got tea time. I ask SEGi deduct my employment income to give urs enjoy food during tea break and they claim it as a refreshment. So I dun earn a lot."

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 31 2007, 09:28 AM

So many thing u want know ah! Try my best lah!

F4 Vikness (KSA) - This paper don't have any text book provided. His notes are on the chart for student easy to understand. His teaching technique is very good, some time tell u funny funny story in the class. Beside PYQ, he will give other question for student practice also.

F6 Alan Yeo (KSA) - He is good in this paper and can make u understand in this paper, but very boring. He provide his own text book and normally will use this book during the class.

F6 Siva Nair (FTMS) - According to some student, he is good oso for this paper. But I never attend his class b4, so can't give any comment.

F6 Choong Kwai Fatt, IRC (SEGi) - This fellow not teaching every sitting. But if he teaching, I strongly recommend you go. In his 3 days IRC, he can cover the whole syllabus for F6. His exam technique very good in this paper.

F7 Joe Fang (KSA) - Very good technique in Calculation, but not so good in teaching IFRS.

F7 Keith Farmer (KSA) - According to somebody, he is very good in teaching consol and IFRS also. His exam technique and study note quiet good also.

F7 Haneef (Mc Orange) - He teaching IFRS is very good, but boring in teaching calculation part. I still remember he spend around 6 leason to teach consol. But his fees was very expensive.

F8 Philip Woo (KSA) - His teaching method can make student to very easy understand the audit procedure. For eg, he will tell u the actual fact in the purchasing system to make u understand the control procedure. Later after u understand the purchasing system, he will show u how to do audit in that system. In the class, he also teach student step by step to answer past year question. But his notes is not so good, b'cos more on story based.

F8 Sheila (Mc Orange) - Difference from Philip Woo where Sheila study notes was very detail. She will show student how to memorise the important Key Word. But her notes too detail until I can't finish study during that sitting I attend her class. Her teaching method good also but some time too fast until I unable to catch up wht she try to tell me. And currently her tuition fees too expensive until can't acceptable.

For text book, if I'm not mistake, KSA will only provide text book for 1st term student (possible will be BPP), Mc Orange will provide examination kit (BPP also). But no any BPP or FTC text book for F4(M) and F6(M).

But actually text book is not important already if u study under this my recommendation lecturer (beside Alan Yeow), cos both of them will provide their own study notes and past year Q & A(PYQ). In the class, they will teach student by using their own notes and practice PYQ to show student exam technique. So text book is only for reference purpose.

For library, both of the college also provide library service. If u want to borrow book, I think u need to paid deposit (refundable). Both of them also have BPP and FTC book for u to borrow, but if I'm not mistake KSA won't allow student borrow out their latest version of BPP or FTC books.

But once against, if u got the good study notes from lecturer, then both BPP or FTC books will not important anymore.

Hope my advise can help u.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 31 2007, 10:26 AM

A lot of good lecturer like Philip Woo adn Sheila also stop teaching tis paper, cos it is too difficult until they don't know wat the examiner want. So may be u try Low Chin Ann in Kolej Bandar.

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Added on December 31, 2007, 1:21 pmDon't trust him lah! He always said like that.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 31 2007, 01:21 PM

Since you are so senior here, you should know this thing mah.

Sunway and Mc Orange always eat money. I think Mr Teo Ee Seng (Sunway Director) and Mr Daniel (Mc Orange) can become good brother already since they charge so high and unacceptable fees to student.

Not compare to engineering/business courses/gov't unis, but is compare to college in KL (ACCA).

May be for yours as a sunway student, 6K - 10K per year is acceptable.

But for student study in KL, this is unacceptable. For eg, KSA only charges RM700+ per subject (normal class + IRC). Tuition fees for Sunway = 2 x Tuition fees for KSA. Registration fees for KSA/Mc Orange only RM50/RM10.

And also KL also provide better quality lecturer as compare to Sunway. This can be prove from a lot of urs Sunway student come to KSA/Mc Orange for tuition.

Always remember we are ACCA student and taking ACCA exam, not college exam. College only provide u tuition. When you go to work, people only look at your ACCA cert and not so worry where are u study.

So what is the purpose we need to paid so high fees to study same thing?

But difference people want difference need lah. I understand Sunway provided very good study environment for student as compare to KSA/Mc Orange. For eg, your library very big, a lot of good reference book. So for you, may be you like study under this environment.

No matter got student complaint about Jackson teaching method in P1 lah!

Attend his class, the risk was so high.

So, it is advise for those student need to attend F8 in KSA, better choose Philip Woo, eventhough his class is long hours.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Jan 2 2008, 01:36 PM

Mr Hannef - Good in IFRS, but not so good in consol. And also his class quiet boring.
Ms Menon - Hard to give comment, cos never attend her class. But according to somebody, she is good also.

Actually, you still have other choice, for eg - KSA - Keith Farmer or Joe Fang. Keith Farmer teaching method and exam technique was very good. On the hand, Joe Fang got his own technique in answer Consol. Their tuition fees also much much much cheaper than Haneef and Ms Mennon.

So, I will prefer Keith Farmer since somebody told me he is very good in this paper.

For passing rate, I think it is very hard to talk lah! Cos both of them got a lot of student, you can expect majority of them also can pass.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Jan 2 2008, 03:53 PM

Ya, most of the prize winners also from Sunway, but do you know that their name also appear in KSA/MCO list?

I'm not sure both of them go to additional tuition or not. But I can said majority of Sunway 3.5 - 3.7 student will go to MCO/KSA for Additional tuition.

Do you know that Sunway student come to KSA for tuition can get KSA student price? Do you know why this Andrew Pang (KSA director) so nice to give discount to them? The main reason was he know a lot of yours Sunway student will come to KL for additional tuition and want to get them into KSA.

F5 - Andrew Pang (KSA) or Chow Kim Tai (Mc Orange)
F6 - Alan Yeow (KSA) or Siva Nair (FTMS), Choong Kwai Fatt (SEGi)- IRC only

For information of the college in UK, I think here can't help you a lot. Cos majority of us will study all papers in local country. May be you try to search other country ACCA forum lah!

But my advise is you no need to spend this money to UK study ACCA, since now our KL college already have very good quality lecturer. Now a day already difference from those time, a lot of student can graduate where they study all the paper in KL.

If you don't want to pay so high fees, you can try Parmindar(KSA) or Wong Siew Choo (FTMS).

I attend Parmindar last sitting, beside teaching us theory, he also give student a lot of good example where it can use for us to answer question. His notes is easy to understand and he will tell student the important KEY WORD in the notes. Beside that, he also write his own answer for all the past year question for student to read, cos examiner answer too confuse for us to study. He is very good in IT/IS also and will teach student how to apply IT/IS in some topic, for eg Portal 5 forces, Value Chain and etc.

For Wong Siew Choo, I attend her 1.3 class in Systematic last time. She is very good lecturer and give a lot of extra class to cover the whole syllabus. But I never attend her 3.5 b4, so can't comment anything for her P3. But based on her teaching style in 1.3, I think she is good also lah!

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Jan 3 2008, 09:48 PM