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 Why cannot have GST, instead of the messy SST?

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denver1347
post Jun 11 2025, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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Even GST they cannot do it well.
Inclusive, exclusive, zero so messy.

Why cannot just be inclusive so the displayed price at stores is easy to read for consumers.

This post has been edited by denver1347: Jun 11 2025, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:24 AM)
Do not disagree but the weaknesses in the system should be blamed on the GST as an effective revenue income vs SST.
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Its not a system weakness. System implies the audit process ,customs backend processing and actual implementation rules are flawed. It isnt.

It was top down directive

Too much was recognised as revenue and not set aside. Once it went into govt coffers its too late to take out so they roll with the next month collection to refund previous month

The problem slowly snowballs into year 3 of GST collection 2018.

If govt set aside a correct amount as revenue and have customs keep sufficient for refunds this will never occur

This was PAC findings which showed that Najib didnt steal GST but too much collection was recognised as revenue

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/customs...vt-lacked-money

This is because “the collection from GST that was not transferred into the GST Refund Consolidated Fund, was actually spent for the purposes of government’s operating and development expenditure.” The previous government had also overestimated the net collection of GST, the PAC said.

Here is the link. You can find other PAC related findings in other related articles in the link

Saying its a weakness does the customs a disservice
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 11:33 AM)
Like it or not, we pay taxes, be it SST or GST.  No way out.  So my preference is GST vs SST.  It is not a matter of not paying taxes.  It is an option of paying which version or system of taxation.  I know I am more unhappy paying for SST vs GST.
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Why are you unhappy paying SST?

Like you say it's just a form of tax?

There is no tax that are better or worse

All taxes have their pros and cons

Fact is GST you pay more, and SST you pay less

So, where got people in the world happy paying more taxes to government?

Like I say before, people keep bring up GST because of political reasons only whistling.gif

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post Jun 11 2025, 10:41 AM

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Pasal dulu gained power by attacking GST & misguiding b40.

If 2018 masuk Putrajaya time announce will retain GST, sure kena kutuk kaw2 + throw rotten eggs.

So terpaksa abolish. Namun there's a Chinese idiom, "on the back of tiger, cannot come down", best describe PH's position.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:43 AM

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GST had an ever-changing list of exceptions so not everything was taxed. Can tell OP never had to file GST.
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 11 2025, 11:41 AM)
Pasal dulu gained power by attacking GST & misguiding b40.

If 2018 masuk Putrajaya time announce will retain GST, sure kena kutuk kaw2 + throw rotten eggs.

So terpaksa abolish. Namun there's a Chinese idiom, "on the back of tiger, cannot come down", best describe PH's position.
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Is that wrong?

I thought people like you keep saying they kencing manifesto

When they not kencing also wrong

Also, are you so happy to pay more tax to government?
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:46 AM

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The way our government does things, both will be messy at the end. Choose your poison. It is not going to get better no matter which one you choose.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:25 AM)
If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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Italian VAT rates

22%
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10%
Some foodstuffs; water supplies; some pharmaceutical products; domestic passenger transport; admission to cultural events; some social housing; renovation and repair of private dwellings; some construction work on new buildings; some supplies of new buildings (non-luxurious); some agricultural supplies; hotel accommodation; restaurants; admission to certain sports events; energy products (excluding district heating); firewood; collection of domestic waste; some waste water treatment; alcoholic beverages in bars and cafes; take away food; cut flowers and plants for decorative use and food production

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Some foodstuffs; some social services; certain passenger transport

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I think you ts the rakyat, PN BN n what ever other polical party oh hell create a new law to criminalize any talks or discussion or even the mentioning of PH cancel n then telan ludah implementing back. So madani can confidently implement it hack n remove the rest of shitting taxes. Apa pandan fan Lapsapji? Dia setuju GST dikembalikan
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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if all 5% collection ciput

if all 10% cakap tindas B40 pulak

so apa lu mahu?
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:51 AM

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who can remember such long list?

Sales tax order is massive. Imagine updates....

That's why GST is easier to administer (at lower cost).

Having said that GST = Galanya Semua Tax.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:52 AM

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Last time during GST time, I keep saying GST is better but got so many zombies coming to attack me with all sorts of name. Strangely, they seem to have disappeared. Anyone know where they are now?

The top complain of GST is slow refund. So they all go to support NO refund. Since there is nothing to refund, there is no slow refund issue. This LGE very smart. Must vote for DAP next time.

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post Jun 11 2025, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:35 AM)
Its not a system weakness. System implies the audit process ,customs backend processing and actual implementation rules are flawed. It isnt.

It was top down directive

Too much was recognised as revenue and not set aside. Once it went into govt coffers its too late to take out so they roll with the next month collection to refund previous month

The problem slowly snowballs into year 3 of GST collection 2018.

If govt set aside a correct amount as revenue and have customs keep sufficient for refunds this will never occur

This was PAC findings which showed that Najib didnt steal GST but too much collection was recognised as revenue

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/customs...vt-lacked-money

This is because “the collection from GST that was not transferred into the GST Refund Consolidated Fund, was actually spent for the purposes of government’s operating and development expenditure.” The previous government had also overestimated the net collection of GST, the PAC said.

Here is the link. You can find other PAC related findings in other related articles in the link

Saying its a weakness does the customs a disservice
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Ok, as I know it is the weakness of the refund systems due to various reasons. I do not see any issue with GST collection except it was sabotage properly by some opposition until they cannot implement it now. I can be wrong though.
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:06 AM

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problem start with exemption.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:37 AM)
Why are you unhappy paying SST?

Like you say it's just a form of tax?

There is no tax that are better or worse

All taxes have their pros and cons

Fact is GST you pay more, and SST you pay less

So, where got people in the world happy paying more taxes to government?

Like I say before, people keep bring up GST because of political reasons only  whistling.gif
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I don’t. I prefer to pay 6% vs SST(6,8,10%), LVGT, HVGT, digital tax, and what nots. And I see many of the roadside sellers and others are not paying any taxes whilst I pay taxes. With GST, I know those roadside or other traders pay taxes as well when they spend.

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