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 Why cannot have GST, instead of the messy SST?

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gaeria84
post Jun 11 2025, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM)
Until today still got people talking about 3% GST

Anything lower than 6% means the collection is equivalent or maybe even less than SST

The main reason to implement GST is to increase tax collection

If the collection is lower than SST, then what is the point of introducing GST
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SST susceptible to accounting magic to cheat the system
GST with refund mechanism hard to cheat

GST with lower percentage but all parties (including those in the shadow economy) have to pay is still better than SST with higher percentage

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:27 AM)
1) You so happy to pay more tax kah?

According to a study I read, if the GST is reintroduced, the people will have to bear an average RM700 increase in taxes per person, proving that the tax does not benefit ordinary citizens.

2) Reintroducing GST will disrupt everything again

Biz will incur additional costs. Look at e-invoice. Just changing to e-invoice already created so many problems and you want to reintroduce GST. E-invoice kautim first only then should think about reintro GST

3) Our custom is not ready

One of the reasons why GST during Najib time failed is due to late refunds. In fact, so many people experience no refunds until today. Why? Our customs is not ready back then and is also not ready today. You reintroduce GST, the same problem of late or no refunds will happen again. That is why e-invoice were introduce. It is to ease everything but even e-invoice is facing tons of hiccups today.
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and SST can reduce tax and payments kan? pony tua say one. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(seinganchai @ Jun 11 2025, 09:47 AM)
GST- Why refund? Already no money want some more refund for what. Just threaten audit if push for refund. Anyway Govt lost elections due to GST so no no need explore.

SST- Ambik je no need refund

E-Invois- exposes the grey economy of powers behind the scene running the shows.

Obvious choice leh - As Politician u pick which?
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Well respectfully a good politician would pick GST and E-invoice and fix their weaknesses

GST has to refund, to make it simpler its a simple input vs output, claim for input, charge for output and if input exceeds output you get a refund. If you dont do that ppl in the middle of the value chain or pure exporters who are helping to implement GST will be unfairly penalised

SST yes ambik je no refund as you dont claim anything for input. Just file the paper work for getting your raw materials exempted. But its time and manpower consuming so harder

E-invoice regardless also must go on. Main driver of e-invoice is LHDN not customs actually. LHDN is looking for corporate tax dodgers which is a bigger quantum than indirect tax. This one is a big big chunk if underground

So my TLDR karangan answer is please 1 and 3 kek.

But yeah politician will pick the easiest
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:53 AM

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8%~>10% SST no need refund but need E-Invoicing monitored;
6% GST need to refund later on;
Government earn more TAX revenues from which one ?
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:53 AM

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So that they will have bullet to pancing votes

Near election cancel SST, say government prihatin.
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:48 AM)
SST susceptible to accounting magic to cheat the system
GST with refund mechanism hard to cheat

GST with lower percentage but all parties (including those in the shadow economy) have to pay is still better than SST with higher percentage
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Current SST cannot accounting magic liao. Manufacturers have to use the same rules and audit check and balances to declare, SST-03 form for SST vs GST-03 for GST. Penalties are just as stiff, audits just as frequent as during GST time. In fact maybe stricter since customs need to focus only on manufacturers and certain service providers

Ironically to make it hard to cheat they use GST compliance rules kek
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jun 11 2025, 08:29 AM)
Because election promise said no GST ma

If introduce GST marah, no keep promise

no introduce GST marah.

Pundek la
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I thought now Unity Gov, PH has lost it's promises jor .....
gaeria84
post Jun 11 2025, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:55 AM)
Current SST cannot accounting magic liao. Manufacturers have to use the same rules and audit check and balances to declare, SST-03 form for SST vs GST-03 for GST. Penalties are just as stiff, audits just as frequent as during GST time.  In fact maybe stricter since customs need to focus only on manufacturers and certain service providers

Ironically to make it hard to cheat they use GST compliance rules kek
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Too many loopholes in SST, also keep increasing sst instead of catching those shadow economy players promotes inflation

Eventually also need to move up to GST
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM)
Technically the issue is not categories but how its treated. GST equally has many tax codes with their own rates? I think up to 10? Zero rated i recall has 3 already?

SST is messy for manufacturers because some things you can get exempt some you cannot (input that is) and some you have to charge and some cannot. So its added paperwork they can do without.

GST is easy for manufacturers and other businesses as is pure pass thru. If the issue of refunds is solved it is almost perfect . End of the day consumer pay, manufacturers act as a collecting agent on behalf of govt same as distributors and traders.

But the keyword here is consumer pay. Consumer far exceeds manufactures or biz ppl. They will make noise. So end of the day ppl here might like , ppl elsewhere may not.

But i'm all for it, SST is a pain to manage for manufacturers and i work for one
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The problem with SST. Consumer pay, some sellers (mostly voted PH) collect & pocketed. With GST they cannot, they need to pay back to gov. So they geram with Najib. PMX Madani scared to bring it back because of these voters.





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post Jun 11 2025, 09:59 AM

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Rakyat wants GST!! Bring back GST ffs!
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:42 AM)
Actually wasnt the consensus that SPAD gone hampered long term planning via govt master plan and service level improvements?

WKS has been on record saying JPJ via APAD is still monitoring and strict as before?

We forgot liao the issue in 2021 where he was alleged to ask to go soft on overloading lorry drivers?

https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/1317...da-wee-ka-siong

His reply which was factual was that APAD still had the same powers as before in enforcing
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So what WKS said if law la, right? And the current MOT agrees la and is a mere eunuch to WKS. Don’t have balls or backbone to change if wrong la. As I know, SPAD was dismantled after UG took over and APAD is formed as replacement.


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SST and GST no problem. The problem org kita, no smart its ok but......
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QUOTE(redondo88 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:57 AM)
The problem with SST. Consumer pay, some sellers (mostly voted PH) collect & pocketed. With GST they cannot, they need to pay back to gov. So they geram with Najib. PMX Madani scared to bring it back because of these voters.
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Hmm hard to say about voter impact but sellers nah, impossible to pocket.

The fact that we have nearly 3 times the amount of sales tax collected (with refunds included) means it was working. And the penalty for biz to pocket GST is extremely stiff. Stiffer than LHDN fine. LHDN is you are not paying your share of taxes from your profit. Customs fine for pocketing GST is way higher because you're essentially stealing govt money. With the audit files, GST03 reporting and unique tax invoice number it would be a very foolish guy to do so

Also sellers not incentived to pocket it unlike old forms of SST. Its pass thru no impact to them and their selling price.

But what the voters will think, god knows. /k may support you may find different feedback elsewhere
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(redondo88 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:57 AM)
The problem with SST. Consumer pay, some sellers (mostly voted PH) collect & pocketed. With GST they cannot, they need to pay back to gov. So they geram with Najib. PMX Madani scared to bring it back because of these voters.
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SST got problem meh? What problem? The best FMand the smartest voters in Mesia cannot be both wrong AT YHE SAME TIME, right? Impossible! 😉
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:04 AM

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Election la.

Remember that bijaN lost due to GST scare tactics by PH then.

Now, Madani more worried about bringing back GST due to earlier promises.

Anyhow, Madani will lose big time and very sure unable to form the gomen without another corporation with other parties. In 3 years they severed ties with many potential partners.

I guess PN will return with a vengeance in 2 years time.
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:59 AM)
Rakyat wants GST!! Bring back GST ffs!
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Which rakyat want GST?

Some ktards only want it because they know it's going to be unpopular and it's all due to political reasons


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post Jun 11 2025, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:04 AM)
Hmm hard to say about voter impact but sellers nah, impossible to pocket.

The fact that we have nearly 3 times the amount of sales tax collected (with refunds included) means it was working. And the penalty for biz to pocket GST is extremely stiff. Stiffer than LHDN fine. LHDN is you are not paying your share of taxes from your profit. Customs fine for pocketing GST is way higher because you're essentially stealing govt money. With the audit files, GST03 reporting and unique tax invoice number it would be a very foolish guy to do so

Also sellers not incentived to pocket it unlike old forms of SST. Its pass thru no impact to them and their selling price.

But what the voters will think, god knows. /k may support you may find different feedback elsewhere
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Because the voters like to sing ABCDGSTea song la. The rhyme to that song was so addictive, especially if Nobita sang it in and that Teoh lady ‘rap’ it in parliament.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:02 AM)
So what WKS said if law la, right?  And the current MOT agrees la and is a mere eunuch to WKS.  Don’t have balls or backbone to change if wrong la.  As I know, SPAD was dismantled after UG took over and APAD is formed as replacement.
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No you mentioned SPAD was neutered in enforcement.

I dont thnk so. Current and previous transport minister has said so. I've given the news trail. SPADS effects were felt elsewhere

What is change and wrong and backbone and where does this eunuch come from? We just have to enforce whats there.

Why this going off track?
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:04 AM)
Which rakyat want GST?

Some ktards only want it because they know it's going to be unpopular and it's all due to political reasons
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I don’t know about others but I prefer GST cos it taxes everyone fairly. Everyone pays taxes with GST directly. No double standards or bias.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:06 AM)
Because the voters like to sing ABCDGSTea song la.  The rhyme to that song was so addictive, especially if Nobita sang it in and that Teoh lady ‘rap’ it in parliament.
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So you telling me the basis of this is majority of voters singing the song?

means majority agrees with this decision?

Hence we should be happy with status quo?

I'm ok, i'm in year 7 of SST, i would welcome a return to GST but if thats what the ppl dont want, i cant trump them

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