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 Why cannot have GST, instead of the messy SST?

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jojolicia
post Jun 11 2025, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 11 2025, 10:26 AM)
I’m not sure how it is in other sectors, but in my field — one round of getting scolding is more than enough. We learn, we avoid repeating the same mistake.
But this administration? They seem happy getting scolded - knowing they will get scolding.

Every time the government update the list — sure will be scolded.

You think tax consultants don’t need to attend courses and seminars just to keep up with the changes?
You think corporates or SMEs don’t have to send their accountants and HR to retrain just because someone felt like tweaking another list?

So much time and resources wasted just to absorb the impact of these brainless decisions.

Anyone with common sense would aim to manage a smaller, focused list.
But no — our government proudly goes the other way.

They know they’ll kena tiu every single time — and still go ahead anyway.
Really seems like they’re asking for it.
Butt itchy for a public scolding — again and again.

Sometimes, I start wondering whether the decisions were made to benefits the one giving talks & seminars - every year new list, every year new talk la - expenses on the conference room, training, etc.

Honestly, this Chinese poem sums it up way too well — it’s almost like it was written just for them :-

说你又不听,
听你又不懂,
懂你又不做,
做你又做错,
错你又不认,
认你又不改,
改你又不服,
不服你也不说,
说你又不听,
听你又不同。


Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù dǒng,
Dǒng nǐ yòu bù zuò,
Zuò nǐ yòu zuò cuò,
Cuò nǐ yòu bù rèn,
Rèn nǐ yòu bù gǎi,
Gǎi nǐ yòu bù fú,
Bù fú nǐ yě bù shuō,
Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù tóng.

Translated version

You’re told, but you don’t listen.
You listen, but you don’t understand.
You understand, but you don’t act.
When you act, you mess it up.
When you're wrong, you don’t admit it.
Even if you admit it, you don’t change.
When asked to change, you resist.
And when you resist, you still say nothing.
You get told again — and still don’t listen.
Even if you listen, you still disagree.

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Yeah that sums up on point

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Jun 11 2025, 11:08 AM
poooky
post Jun 11 2025, 11:09 AM

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Why cannot we reduce leaks and wastage instead of hike tax? Why after hike still dun reduce income tax?
fongsk
post Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 10:46 AM)
Ego. Pride
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Eh, you don’t have faith in the capability of the best FM in Mesia meh? Some say he is also the best in Batam and Spore wor! Must have faith la!
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Jun 11 2025, 11:09 AM)
Why cannot we reduce leaks and wastage instead of hike tax? Why after hike still dun reduce income tax?
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The gomen has issued a quarterly report on government dept audit. Do you see any reduction in these issue that you mentioned, as part of reformasi movement?
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 11:11 AM)
The gomen has issued a quarterly report on government dept audit.  Do you see any reduction in these issue that you mentioned, as part of reformasi movement?
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Spending on administration increase kaw kaw since this government taking over. With the new civil servants pay, very likely this administrative cost continue to be 80% or more
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 11 2025, 11:15 AM)
Spending on administration increase kaw kaw since this government taking over. With the new civil servants pay, very likely this administrative cost continue to be 80% or more
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I dunno. Did not read the audit report cos it is like a photocopy version each quarterly, with date change saja la, I think. 😎
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM)
Eh, you don’t have faith in the capability of the best FM in Mesia meh?  Some say he is also the best in Batam and Spore wor!  Must have faith la!
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Personally I feel he single shamed the entire MY Type C population.
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 11:22 AM)
Personally I feel he single shamed the entire MY Type C population.
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Why you say so? The best FM/PM with the best cabinet IN Malaysian history wor…. U sure or not?
jasontoh
post Jun 11 2025, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 11:22 AM)
Personally I feel he single shamed the entire MY Type C population.
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What do you mean by this?
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:35 AM

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SST can go 10% later maybe 20% for high end stuff
GST boleh ke
jojolicia
post Jun 11 2025, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 11 2025, 11:15 AM)
Spending on administration increase kaw kaw since this government taking over. With the new civil servants pay, very likely this administrative cost continue to be 80% or more
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That’s why tax kaw kaw

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Jun 11 2025, 11:36 AM
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 11 2025, 11:32 AM)
What do you mean by this?
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He tor Sui the entire Chinese race with the bad decisions made during his tenure as FM. The expectation was high. N what happened Afeter his tenure ended.

Someone abused position on the lhdn charges on Najib n son.
Reduced lrt line n MRT line spec n labeled it saving. Saving means sane spec but lower cost not reduced spec.
GST.
He was very vengeful against Sarawak. Vengeful against mca to the level he was willing to meddle the funds allocation for UTAR. My nephew studying at UTAR past time die due supported PH n defending them. After the UTAR episode. Quiet like a kitten

N oh still remember his own Fellon Musk side kick aka Tony the Puaka? I don't even want to start on him


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post Jun 11 2025, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 09:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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GST is GE issue. wait next GE ya...
the people must decide .

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post Jun 11 2025, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 11:06 AM)
Ok, as I know it is the weakness of the refund systems due to various reasons.  I do not see any issue with GST collection except it was sabotage properly by some opposition until they cannot implement it now.  I can be wrong though.
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Not even Roblox says this.

I would be interested to see which gossip rag shares this

It's downright sabotaging the gst initiative
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:51 AM

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it's just a name.
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:52 AM

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post Jun 11 2025, 12:37 PM

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post Jun 11 2025, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM)
Technically the issue is not categories but how its treated. GST equally has many tax codes with their own rates? I think up to 10? Zero rated i recall has 3 already?

SST is messy for manufacturers because some things you can get exempt some you cannot (input that is) and some you have to charge and some cannot. So its added paperwork they can do without.

GST is easy for manufacturers and other businesses as is pure pass thru. If the issue of refunds is solved it is almost perfect . End of the day consumer pay, manufacturers act as a collecting agent on behalf of govt same as distributors and traders.

But the keyword here is consumer pay. Consumer far exceeds manufactures or biz ppl. They will make noise. So end of the day ppl here might like , ppl elsewhere may not.

But i'm all for it, SST is a pain to manage for manufacturers and i work for one
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end users making noise is a normal thing. Coming this July also end users will feel the big jump in prices on everything. This is because without any input tax credit wholesalers will add an additional 10% on almost everything from the list including fruits.
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 11:37 AM)
He tor Sui the entire Chinese race with the bad decisions made during his tenure as FM. The expectation was high. N what happened Afeter his tenure ended.

Someone abused position on the lhdn charges on Najib n son.
Reduced lrt line n MRT line spec n labeled it saving. Saving means sane spec but lower cost not reduced spec.
GST.
He was very vengeful against Sarawak. Vengeful against mca to the level he was willing to meddle the funds allocation for UTAR. My nephew studying at UTAR past time die due supported PH n defending them. After the UTAR episode. Quiet like a kitten

N oh still remember his own Fellon Musk side kick aka Tony the Puaka? I don't even want to start on him
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people who are vengeful and always have personal vendetta are not fit to lead.

maybe they're good at selling the party ideals and rally support based on emotional hatred, but taking the big seat means every decision should be based on logic and common sense.

hence technocrats will always be the better choice taking the hot seat. It's better if the constitution can dilute powers given to MP positions where their decisions need to be approved by majority voting from appointed seasoned officials in the same field.

This post has been edited by h@ksam: Jun 11 2025, 12:58 PM
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post Jun 11 2025, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 11:37 AM)
He tor Sui the entire Chinese race with the bad decisions made during his tenure as FM. The expectation was high. N what happened Afeter his tenure ended.

Someone abused position on the lhdn charges on Najib n son.
Reduced lrt line n MRT line spec n labeled it saving. Saving means sane spec but lower cost not reduced spec.
GST.
He was very vengeful against Sarawak. Vengeful against mca to the level he was willing to meddle the funds allocation for UTAR. My nephew studying at UTAR past time die due supported PH n defending them. After the UTAR episode. Quiet like a kitten

N oh still remember his own Fellon Musk side kick aka Tony the Puaka? I don't even want to start on him
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PMX or Nobita?

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