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post Jun 10 2025, 03:23 PM, updated 6 months ago

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Malaysia national football team market value had suddenly increased double up to €15.4m or RM74mil with the inclusion of 5 new heritage players for tonight home AFC qualifier against Vietnam.

Malaysia WR131 had lost to Vietnam WR109 in the last 5 games and need to break the duck against Kim led side powered with French player Cao Pendant.

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GK Syihan Hazmi 🇲🇾JDT €0.35m
RCB Matthew Davies © 🇲🇾JDT €0.45m
CB Facundo Garces 🇪🇸Alaves €2.0m
LCB Jon Irazabal 🇦🇿SFK €0.6m
RWB Dion Cools 🇯🇵Cerezo Osaka €1.0m
LWB Corbin Ong 🇲🇾JDT €0.18m
CM Nooa Laine 🇲🇾Selangor €0.3m
CM Hector Hevel 🇵🇹Portimonense €0.45m
RW Arif Aiman 🇲🇾JDT €0.65m
LF Joao Figueiredo 🇹🇷Basaksehir €2.1m
CF Rodrigo Holgado 🇨🇴CD America €0.8m

Subs
GK Haziq Nadzli 🇲🇾JDT €0.23m
GK Sikh Izhan 🇲🇾Selangor €0.2m
CB Harith Haiqal 🇲🇾Selangor €0.25m
CB Ubaidullah Shamsul 🇲🇾Terengganu €0.18m
LWB Gabriel Palmero 🇪🇸Tenerife €0.05m
CM Endrick dos Santos 🇻🇳HCM €0.25m
CM Stuart Wilkin 🇲🇾Sabah €0.32m
CM Nazmi Faiz 🇲🇾JDT €0.15m
RW Imanol Machuca 🇦🇷Velez Sarsfield €2.5m
LW Faisal Halim 🇲🇾Selangor €0.32m
AM Paulo Josue 🇲🇾KL €0.22m
CF Romel Morales 🇲🇾JDT €0.35m

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post Jun 10 2025, 03:29 PM

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What happened to home grown players? What’s with the 15 foreign players rule for leagues??
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post Jun 10 2025, 03:29 PM

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Apa komen hcmalaya?

To be honest, even as a Malaysian, I am suspicious.
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post Jun 10 2025, 03:39 PM

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What happened to home grown players? What’s with the 15 foreign players rule for leagues??
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post Jun 10 2025, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 03:29 PM)
https://www.nst.com.my/sports/football/2025...east-asian-fans

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Apa komen hcmalaya?

To be honest, even as a Malaysian, I am suspicious.
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post Jun 10 2025, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 03:29 PM)

Apa komen hcmalaya?

To be honest, even as a Malaysian, I am suspicious.
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Apa nak heran
First wave of heritage tend to focus on parents from Malaysia
Matt Davies, Brendan Gan, Darren Lok etc 50% bloodline

Current wave of heritage focus on grandparents from Malaysia
So u get some very foreign names and feature with 25% bloodline

Indonesia heritage x bising
Malaysia heritage dengki pula
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post Jun 10 2025, 04:22 PM

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Hi Anwar,

If you are reading this, we need a foreign goalkeeper that we should naturalize or convert into a Bolehlander.

We can try to approach James Trafford of Burnley before Tomas Tuchel calls him for England.

Another option is Illan Meslier of Leeds United. He's a bit off form, but he is one of France's best young goalkeepers.

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post Jun 10 2025, 04:24 PM

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Why no mix black/african players sad.gif

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post Jun 10 2025, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Sam Loo @ Jun 10 2025, 04:22 PM)
Hi Anwar,

If you are reading this, we need a foreign goalkeeper that we should naturalize or convert into a Bolehlander.

We can try to approach James Trafford of Burnley before Tomas Tuchel calls him for England.

Another option is Illan Meslier of Leeds United. He's a bit off form, but he is one of France's best young goalkeepers.
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1st...they have to be meleis
they can't be naturalize thru anything beside being meleis 1st.
Btw...using liligion card can fastforward the meleisism adoption
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brp percent import???
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post Jun 10 2025, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Sam Loo @ Jun 10 2025, 04:22 PM)
Hi Anwar,

If you are reading this, we need a foreign goalkeeper that we should naturalize or convert into a Bolehlander.

We can try to approach James Trafford of Burnley before Tomas Tuchel calls him for England.

Another option is Illan Meslier of Leeds United. He's a bit off form, but he is one of France's best young goalkeepers.
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Hi Sam,

If you reading this, Bangun wei
GK Zubiaurre tunggu passport
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post Jun 10 2025, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jun 10 2025, 04:24 PM)
Why no mix black/african players sad.gif

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Tried and tested
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post Jun 10 2025, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 05:38 PM)
Tried and tested
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I saw very big afircan dad pickup his kid in cyberkaya public school.

FAM you better go approach the dad offer full
Scholarship train his boy be the next Drogba/Lukaku for us!
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post Jun 10 2025, 04:47 PM

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If Malaysia can gel quickly and exploit the home ground momentum, this might be their best chance in years to finally break the Vietnam curse. The squad upgrade is serious — but football isn’t won on paper, and cohesion could be the make-or-break factor.

Goalkeeper Concern – Syihan Hazmi (JDT):
Market value: €0.35m, which is modest, even for ASEAN standards.

Despite playing for JDT, he lacks top-tier reflexes and decision-making under pressure, especially against high-pressing teams like Vietnam.

His ball distribution and command of the box have been questioned — not ideal when facing a pressing, direct side like Vietnam.

If there was ever a time to try a bolder GK option, this would be it. But it seems FAM is sticking with “safe†experience.

AA42 is not as good as new citizen, should not start

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 04:38 PM)
Tried and tested
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QUOTE(Sam Loo @ Jun 10 2025, 04:22 PM)
Hi Anwar,

If you are reading this, we need a foreign goalkeeper that we should naturalize or convert into a Bolehlander.

We can try to approach James Trafford of Burnley before Tomas Tuchel calls him for England.

Another option is Illan Meslier of Leeds United. He's a bit off form, but he is one of France's best young goalkeepers.
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I notice..chinese love to called.malaysia as bolehland...why? What does it mean?
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 03:29 PM)
https://www.nst.com.my/sports/football/2025...east-asian-fans

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Apa komen hcmalaya?

To be honest, even as a Malaysian, I am suspicious.
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i cannot believe vietnam sent so many vietmoi overseas but no top tier heritage players, indonesia sent so many maids overseas, now they are reaping the hardwork of their maids with so many heritage players
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post Jun 10 2025, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jun 10 2025, 04:40 PM)
I saw very big afircan dad pickup his kid in cyberkaya public school.

FAM you better go approach the dad offer full
Scholarship train his boy be the next Drogba/Lukaku for us!
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We got a Kenya legend before
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post Jun 10 2025, 05:09 PM

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All foreigners never play before how to gel the team

Best is draw
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post Jun 10 2025, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ Jun 10 2025, 05:09 PM)
All foreigners never play before how to gel the team

Best is draw
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ASEAN XI beat MU 1-0
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post Jun 10 2025, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 05:16 PM)
ASEAN XI beat MU 1-0
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MU almost mostly foreigners, only 2-3 english pipu.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 10 2025, 05:27 PM)
MU almost mostly foreigners, only 2-3 english pipu.
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ASEAN team just play 1 week
MU team played 1 season
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 04:19 PM)
Apa nak heran
First wave of heritage tend to focus on parents from Malaysia
Matt Davies, Brendan Gan, Darren Lok etc 50% bloodline

Current wave of heritage focus on grandparents from Malaysia
So u get some very foreign names and feature with 25% bloodline

Indonesia heritage x bising
Malaysia heritage dengki pula
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Its the fact we found Argentinians with Malaysian heritage.

People suspect are they even 25%. Since when we have alot of Malaysian there?

Indonesia were once Dutch colony. So no surprise they have alot of people with Indonesia heritage.

I think if we pick 5 English blokes, most people probably won't bat an eye.

But Argentinian?
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 05:30 PM)
ASEAN team just play 1 week
MU team played 1 season
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I won't call whatever MU is doing 'playing'.
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post Jun 10 2025, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 05:41 PM)
Its the fact we found Argentinians with Malaysian heritage.

People suspect are they even 25%. Since when we have alot of Malaysian there? 

Indonesia were once Dutch colony. So no surprise they have alot of people with Indonesia heritage.

I think if we pick 5 English blokes, most people probably won't bat an eye.

But Argentinian?
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Statistic wise is funny
Only 75 Malaysians live in Argentina
About 90,000 Argentine visit Malaysia every year
But 2.5 million arrival from Malaysia to Argentina as of 2024
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Lul we never beat Vietnam before in how many years already
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post Jun 10 2025, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Azurues @ Jun 10 2025, 06:54 PM)
Lul we never beat Vietnam before in how many years already
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post Jun 10 2025, 08:15 PM

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HC 🇦🇺Cklamovski
Starting XI
GK Syihan Hazmi 🇲🇾JDT €0.35m
RCB Matthew Davies © 🇲🇾JDT €0.45m
CB Facundo Garces 🇪🇸Alaves €2.0m
LCB Jon Irazabal 🇦🇿SFK €0.6m
RWB Dion Cools 🇯🇵Cerezo Osaka €1.0m
LWB Corbin Ong 🇲🇾JDT €0.17m
CM Nooa Laine 🇲🇾Selangor €0.3m
CM Hector Hevel 🇵🇹Portimonense €0.45m
RW Arif Aiman 🇲🇾JDT €0.65m
LF Joao Figueiredo 🇹🇷Basaksehir €2.1m
CF Rodrigo Holgado 🇨🇴CD America €0.8m


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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 08:15 PM)
HC 🇦🇺Cklamovski
Starting XI
GK Syihan Hazmi 🇲🇾JDT €0.35m
RCB Matthew Davies © 🇲🇾JDT €0.45m
CB Facundo Garces 🇪🇸Alaves €2.0m
LCB Jon Irazabal 🇦🇿SFK €0.6m
RWB Dion Cools 🇯🇵Cerezo Osaka €1.0m
LWB Corbin Ong 🇲🇾JDT €0.17m
CM Nooa Laine 🇲🇾Selangor €0.3m
CM Hector Hevel 🇵🇹Portimonense €0.45m
RW Arif Aiman 🇲🇾JDT €0.65m
LF Joao Figueiredo 🇹🇷Basaksehir €2.1m
CF Rodrigo Holgado 🇨🇴CD America €0.8m
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Our striker from Venezuela or Colombia? How he ever going to get used playing for malaysia lol
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Hope our team can beat Vietnam tonight
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Jun 10 2025, 08:25 PM)
Our striker from Venezuela or Colombia? How he ever going to get used playing for malaysia lol
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Holgado was Argentine but play in Colombia
Romel Morales was Colombian too success at KL then naturalised to JDT
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To be honest this is probably the best HM performance vs Vietnam in last 10 years

Not perfect first 20 mins especially but towards the end , well played
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HT 🇲🇾0-0🇻🇳

HC 🇦🇺Cklamovski-6 tactic ok but execution pending
Starting XI
GK Syihan - 5 nothing much to do
RCB Matthew Davies © - 5 so far okok
CB Facundo Garces - 6 block out Vietnam
LCB Jon Irazabal - 5 so far okok
RWB Dion Cools - 6 one shot kena tiang
LWB Corbin Ong - 5 hardworking
CM Nooa Laine - 4 need to buckle up
CM Hector Hevel - 6 all over midfield
RW Arif Aiman - 6 best solo run saved by goalie
LF Joao Figueiredo - 6 best player with header on target
CF Rodrigo Holgado - 4 heavily marked and tackled by Viet

2nd half probably will unleash Malaysia most expensive player in history RM12m Machuca!
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 10:56 PM)
HT 🇲🇾0-0🇻🇳

HC 🇦🇺Cklamovski-6 tactic ok but execution pending
Starting XI
GK Syihan - 5 nothing much to do
RCB Matthew Davies © - 5 so far okok
CB Facundo Garces - 6 block out Vietnam
LCB Jon Irazabal - 5 so far okok
RWB Dion Cools - 6 one shot kena tiang
LWB Corbin Ong - 5 hardworking
CM Nooa Laine - 4 need to buckle up
CM Hector Hevel - 6 all over midfield
RW Arif Aiman - 6 best solo run saved by goalie
LF Joao Figueiredo - 6 best player with header on target
CF Rodrigo Holgado - 4 heavily marked and tackled by Viet

2nd half probably will unleash Malaysia most expensive player in history RM12m Machuca!
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Tara stuju u mia rating on Laini. He play deeper DM. Help a lot snuff out high ball counter attack what.
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Hngggh cameraman hamsup pickup Vietmoi shots
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Tara stuju u mia rating on Laini. He play deeper DM. Help a lot snuff out high ball counter attack what.
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DM good but 2 times send ball to holland road
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Lain macam penyokong vietnam
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 10:12 PM)
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Just shame to say its Malaysian team.
haha....
put foreigners, then find roots to link to Malaysia.
cant see much malay, chinese nor indians.

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 10:21 PM)
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We now better team in 2nd half !
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Goallll !!!!

3-0 !!!!
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Just shame to say its Malaysian team.
haha....
put foreigners, then find roots to link to Malaysia.
cant see much malay, chinese nor indians.
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What to do...

We never beaten Vietnam for the last 8 to 10 years...

Letak some angmoh straight score 2 goals.

The results speaks for themselves.
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Arif Aiman probably the smartest local player Ive ever seen in Msia football history
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Just shame to say its Malaysian team.
haha....
put foreigners, then find roots to link to Malaysia.
cant see much malay, chinese nor indians.
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Well we tried “realâ€Malaysians for years
Decades with appalling results even going as lowly as 170 world ranking

I’m in support of this initiative if it brings result

Just to add on it most are heritage players and not naturalised

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 10 2025, 10:29 PM)
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All the goals are really well made (except first one la got a bit of luck). Vietnam totally rattled.
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even lower level Argentinian already better than native asean players...
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 10 2025, 10:31 PM)
Well we tried “realâ€Malaysians for years
Decades with appalling results even going as lowly as 170 world ranking

I’m in support of this initiative if it brings result

Just to add on it most are heritage players and not naturalised
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Yeah. And we're not the only ones doing it now. See Indonesians and their Dutch connections.
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Yeah. And we're not the only ones doing it now. See Indonesians and their Dutch connections.
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Indonesians started the mass recruitment

Back then more than 10 years ago Singapore started with naturalized but wasn’t very successful
Most were Grade C barely any grade B and almost none have Sg root

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Vietnam very steady, losing already also got sportsmanship never play dirty or rough our players
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 10 2025, 10:31 PM)
Well we tried “realâ€Malaysians for years
Decades with appalling results even going as lowly as 170 world ranking

I’m in support of this initiative if it brings result

Just to add on it most are heritage players and not naturalised
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and many "believes" that they are "heritage"

haha....
anyway...whatever makes them happy.

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and many "believes" that they are "heritage"

haha....
anyway...whatever makes them happy.
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It’s per FIFA Article
U do need to prove your heritage through FIFA as per article

Was done by TMJ’s scouting team
U have doubts ?
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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Jun 10 2025, 10:37 PM)
and many "believes" that they are "heritage"

haha....
anyway...whatever makes them happy.
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The current batch memang sus abit

But who cares.

I rather see 50% naturalized, 50% local and win some games rather than 100% local and have humiliating loses

Last time 100% local Malaysia lose 0-6, 0-5 to Arab teams.

Not even the strong Arab teams, but to like Palestine, Oman etc.
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RCB Matthew Davies © - 8 steady
CB Facundo Garces - 8 block out Viet but 2nd half bit loose
LCB Jon Irazabal - 8 steady
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CM Hector Hevel - 8 all over midfield
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CF Rodrigo Holgado - 7 heavily marked and nice debut goal

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FT 🇲🇾4-0🇻🇳

HC 🇦🇺Cklamovski-8 winrar
Starting XI
GK Syihan - 8 clean sheet plus 2 good saves
RCB Matthew Davies © - 8 steady
CB Facundo Garces - 8 block out Viet but 2nd half bit loose
LCB Jon Irazabal - 8 steady
RWB Dion Cools - 8 one goal and one shot kena tiang
LWB Corbin Ong - 8 one goal and hardworking
CM Nooa Laine - 7 step up 2nd half
CM Hector Hevel - 8 all over midfield
RW Arif Aiman - 8 best solo run with 2 assists
LF Joao Figueiredo - 8 best player with debut goal
CF Rodrigo Holgado - 7 heavily marked and nice debut goal

Subs
LW Machucha - 5 tried too hard to solo
LB Palmero- 5 steady
CM Endrick - 5 steady
AM Nazmi - N cameo
CM Stuart - N cameo
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I'm surprised how poor Vietnam looked. All that tokok end up 4-0.
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Vietnam no longer best team in SEA.

Maybe Indon or Thailand is the best for now but Malaysia can challenge them soon
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This 2 really dominate the midfield. 💪ðŸ¾ðŸ’ªðŸ¾
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My 1 criticism of Kim Pan Gon is he never really use Nooa Laine.

Midfield always feels like our weakest link. Brandon Gan - old horse, Natxo - dead weight. Syamer - hardworking but rarely looks commanding.

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My 1 criticism of Kim Pan Gon is he never really use Nooa Laine.

Midfield always feels like our weakest link. Brandon Gan - old horse, Natxo - dead weight. Syamer - hardworking but rarely looks commanding.
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Tgk permainan dia menyuap Arif Aiman 2x. Then his own hit tiang once and later scored. Kekwa.
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So, Vietnam 4-0 can recover or not at Hanoi?

Ayam saw many Vietbu in stadium BJ. Must be crying liao
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So, Vietnam 4-0 can recover or not at Hanoi?

Ayam saw many Vietbu in stadium BJ.  Must be crying liao
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The message is clear
Heritage players can give some short term rewards but in the long run must also develop local league and academy to produce next gen talents
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So, Vietnam 4-0 can recover or not at Hanoi?

Ayam saw many Vietbu in stadium BJ.  Must be crying liao
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In Malaysia, semua boleh kawtim dengan duit. This is the meaning.

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Japan and Korea is in a different league than the rest of Asian teams already. Even different league compared to Japan and Korea 20 years ago.

Most if not all their starting 11 plays in Europe.

They are effectively an European level team.

Most of Asia not yet reach that level.

Indonesia is basically taking second or third rate European players to go into their team, of course no match.

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Why msia so proud when the whole squad is not even malaysian
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sorry unker maybe abit outdated.

but unker see alot people comment warisan. what is warisan/heritage means?

is it same as naturalization?
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sorry unker maybe abit outdated.

but unker see alot people comment warisan. what is warisan/heritage means?

is it same as naturalization?
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FIFA statute, Article 7: Acquisition of a new nationality doesnt differentiate heritage or naturalisation but Asian like to compare these traits

Player with parent or grandparent from the country - heritage
Eg Matthew Davies, Corbin Ong, Holgado etc

Player after 5 years residing in the country - naturalisation
Eg Endrick dos Santos, Paulo Josue etc
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It’s per FIFA Article
U do need to prove your heritage through FIFA as per article

Was done by TMJ’s scouting team
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haha.... like i said. "heritage" and whatever makes you happy.
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Why msia so proud when the whole squad is not even malaysian
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according to them.....they are Malaysian. Just we cant see.
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His father is Kenyan descendent la
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His father is Kenyan descendent la
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Apa nak heran
First wave of heritage tend to focus on parents from Malaysia
Matt Davies, Brendan Gan, Darren Lok etc 50% bloodline

Current wave of heritage focus on grandparents from Malaysia
So u get some very foreign names and feature with 25% bloodline

Indonesia heritage x bising
Malaysia heritage dengki pula
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vietnam send so many vietmoi out, why no heritage players ?
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They finally realised after all these years that local players are useless & failures. Which explains why local club teams are allowed up to 15 foreign players. Gaji pun x mampu nak import players lagi…LEL.

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vietnam send so many vietmoi out, why no heritage players ?
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Gov dont want to waste money for game ðŸ˜, rich Malaysia 😂
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They finally realised after all these years that local players are useless & failures. Which explains why local club teams are allowed up to 15 foreign players. Gaji pun x mampu nak import players lagi…LEL.

Just be proud for now.
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Yeah let’s be real. We’ve failed that’s the short & easy answer.

We’ve failed to spot & develop talents from our own people because of years of piss poor planning & through my own experience, lack of meritocracy in team selection be it at junior or senior level. That’s the longer than short answer.
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Yeah let’s be real. We’ve failed that’s the short & easy answer.

We’ve failed to spot & develop talents from our own people because of years of piss poor planning & through my own experience, lack of meritocracy in team selection be it at junior or senior level. That’s the longer than short answer.
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Easy to blame FAM or the coaches — but what have we done to improve football?â€

In the UK or South America, football isn’t just a sport — it’s a way of life. Weekends are for playing with your kids, joining local leagues, kicking around at every field and futsal court.

How many Malaysians do that?
How many parents encourage football over tuition or TikTok?

We want World Cup results without grassroots culture. That’s the real failure — and it starts with us.
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Let’s be real — football at international level not for locals. Too small, legs too short. Need horsepower, not just hometown pride. 🇲🇾⚽ï¸
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Honestly I do not expect that we will conquer the soccer world. But during our heydays, we were one of the most feared soccer nation in SEA, almost on par with South Korea then.
Remember the merdeka tournament…. The merdeka stadium shook with our fans roar then….
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Let’s be real — football at international level not for locals. Too small, legs too short. Need horsepower, not just hometown pride. 🇲🇾⚽ï¸
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Size is just poor excuse. Messi is just 5'7, so we should think he can't make it in professional football?

I think football as a culture is just not ingrained in us. Yes, we like to watch it, but how many people actually is willing to play it day in day out, or send their kids to coaching academy, let them go padang and play, etc etc.

We also have other sports and entertainment that pulls away talents from football.
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Yeah let’s be real. We’ve failed that’s the short & easy answer.

We’ve failed to spot & develop talents from our own people because of years of piss poor planning & through my own experience, lack of meritocracy in team selection be it at junior or senior level. That’s the longer than short answer.
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Sports science still lacking to produce 6 footer young local player like Japan or Korea
Current best pure local players are Arif Aiman and Faisal Halim, they have the skills and speed to beat Asian players but size still matter when go to WC level.. unless u are Messi which is 1 in a billion kot..
We will need 11 AA or FH to compete at Asia level but we only have 2… hence the heritage card jutsu come knocking
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Honestly I do not expect that we will conquer the soccer world.  But during our heydays, we were one of the most feared soccer nation in SEA, almost on par with South Korea then. 
Remember the merdeka tournament…. The merdeka stadium shook with our fans roar then….
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To be honest, our so-called heydays were a long time ago — back when most nations were still recovering from WWII.

Many countries, especially in Africa and parts of Asia, were still struggling with basic needs — not football development. We were ahead because others hadn't even started.

Now the world has caught up, and we’ve stood still — or worse, gone backward. Living off old glories won’t get us anywhere unless we admit that and start rebuilding from the ground up.
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Easy to blame FAM or the coaches — but what have we done to improve football?â€

In the UK or South America, football isn’t just a sport — it’s a way of life. Weekends are for playing with your kids, joining local leagues, kicking around at every field and futsal court.

How many Malaysians do that?
How many parents encourage football over tuition or TikTok?

We want World Cup results without grassroots culture. That’s the real failure — and it starts with us.
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We used to have many good Chinese football players, but now it is down to zero.
Partly because Chinese parents value tuition over sports, and partly because SRJK(C ) do not have proper football fields.

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Size is just poor excuse. Messi is just 5'7, so we should think he can't make it in professional football?

I think football as a culture is just not ingrained in us. Yes, we like to watch it, but how many people actually is willing to play it day in day out, or send their kids to coaching academy, let them go padang and play, etc etc.

We also have other sports and entertainment that pulls away talents from football.
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Yes, Messi is 1 in a billion — an outlier, not the standard.

The average height in Europe’s top 5 leagues is around 1.82m, and it’s not just about height — it’s strength, build, and power. Our taller players? Often skinny and lack core strength.
Football at the top level is a contact sport, and we’re starting at a physical disadvantage.

Even Japan — highly skilled and fast — still struggle physically against the elite teams. They’ve made up for it with insane work ethic, tactical discipline, and a footballing culture that pushes players from young.

So while skills and speed are important, physical strength can often be the difference when the margins are tight. And that’s something we still haven’t caught up on.
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We used to have many good Chinese football players, but now it is down to zero.
Partly because Chinese parents value tuition over sports, and partly because SRJK(C ) do not have proper football fields.
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Back then, the gap between school-level football and international level wasn’t that huge.
Some players could go straight from school tournaments to the national team — raw talent was enough to shine.

But nowadays, it’s a whole different game.
The standard has skyrocketed. Players go through academy systems, strength training, tactical drills, sports science — all from a young age.

If you’re not in that pipeline early, you’re already miles behind.
That’s why just being “good in school†today isn’t enough — not even close.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 10:26 AM)
Size is just poor excuse. Messi is just 5'7, so we should think he can't make it in professional football?

I think football as a culture is just not ingrained in us. Yes, we like to watch it, but how many people actually is willing to play it day in day out, or send their kids to coaching academy, let them go padang and play, etc etc.

We also have other sports and entertainment that pulls away talents from football.
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Those South Americans are just have some kinda weird exceptional talent. They can be average in height, "trained" only on the streets, yets can produce talents that can beat European/Asian football academy players.

Its clear that they can do it without physical strength or years of football academy training, but the rest of can't.

Especially when it comes to Asian, we're quite frankly, below average in terms of football.
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To be honest, our so-called heydays were a long time ago — back when most nations were still recovering from WWII.

Many countries, especially in Africa and parts of Asia, were still struggling with basic needs — not football development. We were ahead because others hadn't even started.

Now the world has caught up, and we’ve stood still — or worse, gone backward. Living off old glories won’t get us anywhere unless we admit that and start rebuilding from the ground up.
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Do not disagree. We failed or move with technology and got left behind. Maybe I am oldies and like to reminisce in old days. But I like to see players that I can relate to, I mean when I hear their name, I know who or which race they are. Not a racist but I can relate. Now, it is like a South American football club. Remember we in K laughed at France and England for their players composition… guess karma is here to greet us in soccer nowadays. Anyhow, just commenting respectfully saja.
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Yes, Messi is 1 in a billion — an outlier, not the standard.

The average height in Europe’s top 5 leagues is around 1.82m, and it’s not just about height — it’s strength, build, and power. Our taller players? Often skinny and lack core strength.
Football at the top level is a contact sport, and we’re starting at a physical disadvantage.

Even Japan — highly skilled and fast — still struggle physically against the elite teams. They’ve made up for it with insane work ethic, tactical discipline, and a footballing culture that pushes players from young.

So while skills and speed are important, physical strength can often be the difference when the margins are tight. And that’s something we still haven’t caught up on.
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have to start with PE Class, focus on core training and stamina, systematically
not just Ok penggal 1 kita ajar bola tampar, everyone warmup, jog 1 round, stretching, ok start

some PE class even just do carefree, cikgu sit beside relax, murid just do whatever they want within the class hour.

badminton famous , imo, also because it's free from weather (hot sun / rain) , easy to start - just need few people and hitting ball with racket, no physical contact with opponent

Dont get me wrong here, it's not easy to play badminton professionally, i'm talking about the body disadvantages since we were young and there's unlikely improvement designed along the way, except those gym-goer kind of "big muscle" - practicality u know i know

Even in basketball we could find some tall people but doubt they are capable to do intense sports as lack of fundamental

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 11 2025, 11:04 AM)
Those South Americans are just have some kinda weird exceptional talent. They can be average in height, "trained" only on the streets, yets can produce talents that can beat European/Asian football academy players.

Its clear that they can do it without physical strength or years of football academy training, but the rest of can't.

Especially when it comes to Asian, we're quite frankly, below average in terms of football.
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Similar to Brazil, football is weaved in to part of their lives and it's also a real chance at a better life. So the pool of players is bigger, the skills to shine is stronger and the top few are way better.

I think people don't realise the gap between a great player in local league to actually being professional. The best player I've played with and represented state level told me he can't even hack it professionally. And that dude is like 1000x better than the rest of us.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 10:26 AM)
Size is just poor excuse. Messi is just 5'7, so we should think he can't make it in professional football?

I think football as a culture is just not ingrained in us. Yes, we like to watch it, but how many people actually is willing to play it day in day out, or send their kids to coaching academy, let them go padang and play, etc etc.

We also have other sports and entertainment that pulls away talents from football.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM)
Similar to Brazil, football is weaved in to part of their lives and it's also a real chance at a better life. So the pool of players is bigger, the skills to shine is stronger and the top few are way better.

I think people don't realise the gap between a great player in local league to actually being professional. The best player I've played with and represented state level told me he can't even hack it professionally. And that dude is like 1000x better than the rest of us.
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Maybe.

My point is, don't look at Messi. Messi is a once a generation kinda talent. He is a freak of nature. And even regular Latin Americans footballers just have the genes for football. They can do it without size or height.

The rest of us (European, African, Asian) need physical size and height to compete. And needless to say, us Asian are smaller and shorter.
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have to start with PE Class, focus on core training and stamina, systematically
not just Ok penggal 1 kita ajar bola tampar, everyone warmup, jog 1 round, stretching, ok start

some PE class even just do carefree, cikgu sit beside relax, murid just do whatever they want within the class hour.

badminton famous , imo, also because it's free from weather (hot sun / rain) , easy to start - just need few people and hitting ball with racket, no physical contact with opponent

Dont get me wrong here, it's not easy to play  badminton professionally, i'm talking about the body disadvantages since we were young and there's unlikely improvement designed along the way, except those gym-goer kind of "big muscle" - practicality u know i know

Even in basketball we could find some tall people but doubt they are capable to do intense sports as lack of fundamental
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True, but I think it’s even more important to start from home.
If the father plays Sunday league or even just casual futsal, the son sees that. The whole family can tag along — it becomes a shared routine, not just a sport.

That’s how football becomes part of life, not just something we watch on TV.
You build passion, discipline, and interest naturally — long before any academy or PE class even comes into the picture.

Without that kind of early exposure, no system or program can fully replace the influence of family and daily environment.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM)
Similar to Brazil, football is weaved in to part of their lives and it's also a real chance at a better life. So the pool of players is bigger, the skills to shine is stronger and the top few are way better.

I think people don't realise the gap between a great player in local league to actually being professional. The best player I've played with and represented state level told me he can't even hack it professionally. And that dude is like 1000x better than the rest of us.
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Exactly — just look at iShowSpeed in those celebrity football matches.
He’s fit, energetic, and passionate… but the moment he’s up against ex-pros, you can clearly see the difference.

The pros are on another level — not just in skill, but in control, positioning, and decision-making.
It’s a different class altogether, even when they’re half-retired.

That’s the kind of gap people don’t realise exists until they see it with their own eyes.
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We used to have many good Chinese football players, but now it is down to zero.
Partly because Chinese parents value tuition over sports, and partly because SRJK(C ) do not have proper football fields.
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during my schooldays, the best time is actually to play against SJKC team, everyone can score one. If SJKT we always win, but they run a lot... tiring
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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Jun 11 2025, 11:09 AM)
have to start with PE Class, focus on core training and stamina, systematically
not just Ok penggal 1 kita ajar bola tampar, everyone warmup, jog 1 round, stretching, ok start

some PE class even just do carefree, cikgu sit beside relax, murid just do whatever they want within the class hour.

badminton famous , imo, also because it's free from weather (hot sun / rain) , easy to start - just need few people and hitting ball with racket, no physical contact with opponent

Dont get me wrong here, it's not easy to play  badminton professionally, i'm talking about the body disadvantages since we were young and there's unlikely improvement designed along the way, except those gym-goer kind of "big muscle" - practicality u know i know

Even in basketball we could find some tall people but doubt they are capable to do intense sports as lack of fundamental
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expensive training expensive yo

not that u play at kampung suddenly can represent the state and country
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What happened to home grown players? What’s with the 15 foreign players rule for leagues??
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during my schooldays, the best time is actually to play against SJKC team, everyone can score one. If SJKT we always win, but they run a lot... tiring
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When i was in SMK in a small town
Those from SRJK C & T join in SMK form1
Football was like
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T- speed power
M- skill power
The mixed team always win the football match
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expensive training expensive yo

not that u play at kampung suddenly can represent the state and country
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i cannot believe vietnam sent so many vietmoi overseas but no top tier heritage players, indonesia sent so many maids overseas, now they are reaping the hardwork of their maids with so many heritage players
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Yes, Messi is 1 in a billion — an outlier, not the standard.

The average height in Europe’s top 5 leagues is around 1.82m, and it’s not just about height — it’s strength, build, and power. Our taller players? Often skinny and lack core strength.
Football at the top level is a contact sport, and we’re starting at a physical disadvantage.

Even Japan — highly skilled and fast — still struggle physically against the elite teams. They’ve made up for it with insane work ethic, tactical discipline, and a footballing culture that pushes players from young.

So while skills and speed are important, physical strength can often be the difference when the margins are tight. And that’s something we still haven’t caught up on.
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Uhh... Japan 2 Germany 1 last world cup

Takuma Asano i still remember outsprinted the german defence to score

Top their group beating Spain.

You sure or not they cannot cope physically?


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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 12:30 PM)
Uhh... Japan 2 Germany 1 last world cup

Takuma Asano i still remember outsprinted the german defence to score

Top their group beating Spain.

You sure or not they cannot cope physically?
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Counter attack, sprint yes.
But physically body contact cannot. There is a reason why bigger body, muscular body alwayz win world cup..
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 12:30 PM)
Uhh... Japan 2 Germany 1 last world cup

Takuma Asano i still remember outsprinted the german defence to score

Top their group beating Spain.

You sure or not they cannot cope physically?
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Japan tends to struggle against physically dominant teams over a full tournament. It’s not that smaller players can’t win — they absolutely can — but let’s be real, it’s a huge disadvantage.

You need exceptional speed, technique, and tactical discipline just to match up — and even then, one bad aerial duel, one strong shoulder challenge, and the momentum shifts.

Smaller size doesn’t mean no chance — it just means you’re fighting uphill every game.
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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 11 2025, 10:42 AM)
Yes, Messi is 1 in a billion — an outlier, not the standard.

The average height in Europe’s top 5 leagues is around 1.82m, and it’s not just about height — it’s strength, build, and power. Our taller players? Often skinny and lack core strength.
Football at the top level is a contact sport, and we’re starting at a physical disadvantage.

Even Japan — highly skilled and fast — still struggle physically against the elite teams. They’ve made up for it with insane work ethic, tactical discipline, and a footballing culture that pushes players from young.

So while skills and speed are important, physical strength can often be the difference when the margins are tight. And that’s something we still haven’t caught up on.
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IIRC Malaysia has been bad with teams that have heights, which is why in Asia our worst opponents are usually the Arabs.
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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 11 2025, 01:42 PM)
Japan tends to struggle against physically dominant teams over a full tournament. It’s not that smaller players can’t win — they absolutely can — but let’s be real, it’s a huge disadvantage.

You need exceptional speed, technique, and tactical discipline just to match up — and even then, one bad aerial duel, one strong shoulder challenge, and the momentum shifts.

Smaller size doesn’t mean no chance — it just means you’re fighting uphill every game.
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all their main players play in europe. all their standard is oredi like european. their physicality included.
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IIRC Malaysia has been bad with teams that have heights, which is why in Asia our worst opponents are usually the Arabs.
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Our skilled players can match asean or minnow asians
When enter Pak Arabs
Even Palestine whack our midgets 6-0 home and away
The worst is 0-10 by Arab emirates
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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 11 2025, 11:15 AM)
Yeah let’s be real. We’ve failed that’s the short & easy answer.

We’ve failed to spot & develop talents from our own people because of years of piss poor planning & through my own experience, lack of meritocracy in team selection be it at junior or senior level. That’s the longer than short answer.
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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 11 2025, 01:42 PM)
Japan tends to struggle against physically dominant teams over a full tournament. It’s not that smaller players can’t win — they absolutely can — but let’s be real, it’s a huge disadvantage.

You need exceptional speed, technique, and tactical discipline just to match up — and even then, one bad aerial duel, one strong shoulder challenge, and the momentum shifts.

Smaller size doesn’t mean no chance — it just means you’re fighting uphill every game.
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Last time maybe now very strict with var you can easily get yellow card or penalty for playing rough.

The skills and tactical still matter the most. Nuno Mendes 1.80cm only still can pass through multiple defenders to score. Mbappe 1.78cm only.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 11 2025, 09:49 PM)
Last time maybe now very strict with var you can easily get yellow card or penalty for playing rough.

The skills and tactical still matter the most. Nuno Mendes 1.80cm only still can pass through multiple defenders to score. Mbappe 1.78cm only.
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ref still have final say. sometimes ref dowana review var. sometimes after reviewing var, ref still make controversial decisionu
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Today I saw news. Why the players name doesn't sound like local? and there's a photos labelling them with other country... Do they even speak bahasa? Betul ke team Malaysia?
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Today I saw news. Why the players name doesn't sound like local? and there's a photos labelling them with other country... Do they even speak bahasa? Betul ke team Malaysia?
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All got IC already. Their original countries coach likely no pick them due to intense competition. And Johor is rich. SG land also 30B.
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Our gene athletically inferior. 30-40 years edi trying with local player. Just need to accept the truth.
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Same here — I genuinely wish to see locally coached, homegrown players succeed.
There’s something special about watching one of our own rise through the ranks.

But the reality is… it’s very hard.
With the genetic disadvantages — smaller build, slower physical development — our players start at a disadvantage from day one.

Without a top-tier system to compensate for that, raw talent alone isn’t enough.
It’s not about giving up hope, it’s about understanding the uphill battle we’re facing.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 11 2025, 09:49 PM)
Last time maybe now very strict with var you can easily get yellow card or penalty for playing rough.

The skills and tactical still matter the most. Nuno Mendes 1.80cm only still can pass through multiple defenders to score. Mbappe 1.78cm only.
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True, the game today is more protective — VAR helps cut down on reckless physical play, and smaller players do get more protection.

But let’s be real — skills and tactics alone still aren’t enough without the physical tools to back them up. Players like Mbappé or Nuno Mendes may not be the tallest, but they’re explosively built, insanely fast, and physically elite.

Also, Japanese players in Europe often thrive because they’re in teams surrounded by strong, physically dominant European or African teammates. That support helps cover their physical limitations and lets them focus on their technical strengths.

And we’re talking about top-level football here — the highest level, where even the smallest advantage can make the difference between winning and losing. At that level, every edge matters — size, strength, stamina, mindset, all of it.
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All these new foreign players r playing for JDT state team as well?
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All got IC already. Their original countries coach likely no pick them due to intense competition. And Johor is rich. SG land also 30B.
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Really got different. Their finishing is so spot on. If local players, won't have such quality. But still, honestly, I can't feel the proud. The feeling of cheering our team is kind of different too. Now more like club football.

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 11 2025, 09:49 PM)
Last time maybe now very strict with var you can easily get yellow card or penalty for playing rough.

The skills and tactical still matter the most. Nuno Mendes 1.80cm only still can pass through multiple defenders to score. Mbappe 1.78cm only.
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You forgot about the great Maradona, Rui Barros, Roberto Carlos, Romario, Paul Scholes.

All of them were below 1.70m.
Rui Barros was only 1.58m.

So yeah i agree with you skills and teamwork is more important here.

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QUOTE(COOLPINK @ Jun 12 2025, 09:33 AM)
You forgot about the great Maradona, Rui Barros, Roberto Carlos, Romario, Paul Scholes.

All of them were below 1.70m.
Rui Barros was only 1.58m.

So yeah i agree with you skills and teamwork is more important here.
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They 1.70 m tall pun. You see their body structure wonot?

That Imano Machuca eventhough a midget at 1.7m, his body is quite big like wombat one.

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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 12 2025, 07:40 AM)
Same here — I genuinely wish to see locally coached, homegrown players succeed.
There’s something special about watching one of our own rise through the ranks.

But the reality is… it’s very hard.
With the genetic disadvantages — smaller build, slower physical development — our players start at a disadvantage from day one.

Without a top-tier system to compensate for that, raw talent alone isn’t enough.
It’s not about giving up hope, it’s about understanding the uphill battle we’re facing.
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arif aiman is just fine
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They 1.70 m tall pun. You see their body structure wonot?

That Imano Machuca eventhough a midget at 1.7m, his body is quite big like wombat one.
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So you saying those tall players body structure are lembik?
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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 12 2025, 07:40 AM)
Same here — I genuinely wish to see locally coached, homegrown players succeed.
There’s something special about watching one of our own rise through the ranks.

But the reality is… it’s very hard.
With the genetic disadvantages — smaller build, slower physical development — our players start at a disadvantage from day one.

Without a top-tier system to compensate for that, raw talent alone isn’t enough.
It’s not about giving up hope, it’s about understanding the uphill battle we’re facing.
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I suggest use complicated term like disadvantage physical.
I hope no one pick up your post and start another body shamming war just like what happen to women beach volleyball between MY and CH
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arif aiman is just fine
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Yeah, Arif Aiman is a gem, and I really hope that with the influx of heritage and naturalised players, he still gets to start — or at least stay within the top 22.

I read somewhere that FAM has identified 37 Argentine heritage players — that’s wild. It’s great for competition and depth, but we also need to make sure local talents like Arif don’t get sidelined just because others have overseas roots.

That said, in top-tier matches, you can’t afford to carry any sub-standard players — every position needs to be solid. So whether it's local or heritage, the best player should start — no free passes for either side.
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I suggest use complicated term like disadvantage physical.
I hope no one pick up your post and start another body shamming war just like what happen to women beach volleyball between MY and CH
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Maybe “physical disadvantage†is a better term than directly saying “genetic†or “small build,†just to avoid any unintended sensitivity.
The last thing we need is people twisting the discussion into a body-shaming issue like what happened with the MY vs CH beach volleyball situation.

The intention is not to shame, but to highlight the real competitive gap we face in elite sports — especially when we’re talking about international standards.
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QUOTE(commonsense @ Jun 12 2025, 08:14 AM)
Really got different. Their finishing is so spot on. If local players, won't have such quality. But still, honestly, I can't feel the proud. The feeling of cheering our team is kind of different too. Now more like club football.
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Especially gol Hidalgo tu — skip satu tackle macam takde apa, lepas tu sumbat guna kaki satu lagi.
Dion Cools punya tandukan pun steady gila — timing cun, padu, terus masuk.

Jujur cakap, player local kita belum sampai tahap tu.
Nak buat decision cepat, ada teknik, tenang depan gol — level lain, bro.
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IIRC Malaysia has been bad with teams that have heights, which is why in Asia our worst opponents are usually the Arabs.
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Arab "Asian"

Should have kicked out Oceania and West Asia from Asia football.
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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 12 2025, 07:40 AM)
Same here — I genuinely wish to see locally coached, homegrown players succeed.
There’s something special about watching one of our own rise through the ranks.

But the reality is… it’s very hard.
With the genetic disadvantages — smaller build, slower physical development — our players start at a disadvantage from day one.

Without a top-tier system to compensate for that, raw talent alone isn’t enough.
It’s not about giving up hope, it’s about understanding the uphill battle we’re facing.
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search:
dutch height history

Yes, you can change the height thing in few gens.

It is all about wealth and diet which leads to so-called "athletically superior".

You can see the HUGE different between PRC and India in Olympics.
Indian kids are still malnutrition... on average.
Can't feed the people nicely, can't win medal in pro sport.

Yes, the right mind for the sport too, like JP and SK which both are ethnically homogenous. Better spirit and unity.

Globalization and family getting richer (than previous gens) lead to more food/nutrition variety, thus taller.

I'm 80s with less food/nutrition variety. The kids from 90s and 00s are getting taller slowly. U guys no notice?

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QUOTE(commonsense @ Jun 12 2025, 08:14 AM)
Really got different. Their finishing is so spot on. If local players, won't have such quality. But still, honestly, I can't feel the proud. The feeling of cheering our team is kind of different too. Now more like club football.
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Local player will become shot on target saved by viet goalie
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Arif Aiman is one person.

That the exception, not the rule.
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Yeah, Arif Aiman is a gem, and I really hope that with the influx of heritage and naturalised players, he still gets to start — or at least stay within the top 22.

I read somewhere that FAM has identified 37 Argentine heritage players — that’s wild. It’s great for competition and depth, but we also need to make sure local talents like Arif don’t get sidelined just because others have overseas roots.

That said, in top-tier matches, you can’t afford to carry any sub-standard players — every position needs to be solid. So whether it's local or heritage, the best player should start — no free passes for either side.
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If only physicals really that important. Or else you bring in more experienced naturalised players also cannot enter WC2030.

And this 4 scorers already older also. Teamwork must start from young. Lamine and Mbappe train with spain and France team since kids.

Play with vietnam sure good enough but if face saudi , japan , Australia Iran dont think can win. If your mix and match naturalised team can beat these teams then have chance enter WC which is unlikely as they won't have good teamwork.

See WC UK 2006 stars players still lose. Somemore mix and match naturalised cannot oo.
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post Jun 12 2025, 12:48 PM

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btw check out HK team lol
with half Japanese, half German, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_nat...l_football_team

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QUOTE(Meis @ Jun 12 2025, 11:58 AM)
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Yes, you can change the height thing in few gens.

It is all about wealth and diet which leads to so-called "athletically superior".

You can see the HUGE different between PRC and India in Olympics.
Indian kids are still malnutrition... on average.
Can't feed the people nicely, can't win medal in pro sport.

Yes, the right mind for the sport too, like JP and SK which both are ethnically homogenous. Better spirit and unity.

Globalization and family getting richer (than previous gens) lead to more food/nutrition variety, thus taller.

I'm 80s with less food/nutrition variety. The kids from 90s and 00s are getting taller slowly. U guys no notice?
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Yes, younger generation memang lagi tinggi.
It’s already happening — but if we’re serious about improving long-term, our diet needs to evolve too.

From nasi lemak pagi-pagi to more milk-based, protein-rich foods.
Kalau asyik makan karbo je, cam mana badan nak grow?

Not saying abandon local food lah… but kalau nak anak tinggi, kuat, and lari 90 minit tanpa pancit — nutrition kena upgrade juga.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 12 2025, 12:31 PM)
If only physicals really that important. Or else you bring in more experienced naturalised players also cannot enter WC2030.

And this 4 scorers already older also. Teamwork must start from young. Lamine and Mbappe train with spain and France team since kids.

Play with vietnam sure good enough but if face saudi , japan , Australia Iran dont think can win. If your mix and match naturalised team can beat these teams then have chance enter WC which is unlikely as they won't have good teamwork.

See WC UK 2006 stars players still lose. Somemore mix and match naturalised cannot oo.
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I’m not saying physical strength is everything, but let’s be honest — in top-tier sports, physical strength is one of the most important attributes.

At that level, everyone has skills, the technical gap isn’t huge. What separates winners is the ability to last longer, push harder, and win duels — especially when opponents are trained to exploit every small weakness.

You can be skillful, but if you’re constantly getting outmuscled, outrun, or outjumped — you’re a liability.

That’s why physicality matters just as much as talent and tactics — maybe even more when it comes to the elite level.
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Nothing to be proud of when majority of the players are not born citizens
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QUOTE(Meis @ Jun 12 2025, 12:48 PM)
btw check out HK team lol
with half Japanese, half German, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_nat...l_football_team
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Many lower rank team are doing it. We might be just earlier than the rest.

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post Jun 12 2025, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 12 2025, 04:51 PM)
Many lower rank team are doing it. We might be just earlier than the rest.
If ayam recall correctly
In Asia, Japan is the first to use a naturalized player in 90s
Brazil Wagner Lopes but Japan work out extra mile on league and academy system to grow together.

Some Pak Arab occasionally recruit Africans but use Arab names hence went undetected unlike Qatar which gone full blown

In ASEAN scene, Singapore used the naturalisation card in 2000s to bring them multiple Tiger Cups.. Bennett, Duric, Qiu Li, Agu etc
But they failed to sustain it without proper youth academy
Indonesia and Philippines recruited few too but gave up half way before the recent Holland2.0 move

Malaysia had tried both cards but the players are still not good enough for Asia stage, so the recent heritage 2.0 has brought stronger A cards
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 12 2025, 05:17 PM)
If ayam recall correctly
In Asia, Japan is the first to use a naturalized player in 90s
Brazil Wagner Lopes but Japan work out extra mile on league and academy system to grow together.

Some Pak Arab occasionally recruit Africans but use Arab names hence went undetected unlike Qatar which gone full blown

In ASEAN scene, Singapore used the naturalisation card in 2000s to bring them multiple Tiger Cups.. Bennett, Duric, Qiu Li, Agu etc
But they failed to sustain it without proper youth academy
Indonesia and Philippines recruited few too but gave up half way before the recent Holland2.0 move

Malaysia had tried both cards but the players are still not good enough for Asia stage, so the recent heritage 2.0 has brought stronger A cards
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The current batch is strong, but... really suspicious...

I pray these are really heritage players with proper documentation, if not we are gonna get into trouble,

Vietnamese and Indonesian fans confirm will be trying to report us to FIFA
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jun 12 2025, 08:45 AM)
They 1.70 m tall pun. You see their body structure wonot?

That Imano Machuca eventhough a midget at 1.7m, his body is quite big like wombat one.
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From left back drive to midfield see how many players can knock him of his stride

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 12 2025, 05:17 PM)

Malaysia had tried both cards but the players are still not good enough for Asia stage, so the recent heritage 2.0 has brought stronger A cards
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IMO if KPG play less Paulo and Natxo and played more Nooa Lane, we could have went further in both Afc and World Cup qualifiers

Maybe I am too hard on Paulo, but I genuinely think Paulo underperformed even local players. Genuinely some games he just was pointless. Natxo was even more useless.

Heritage 1.0 was good enough for Asia, just dragged down by Natxo and Paulo.

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QUOTE(askingquestion @ Jun 12 2025, 07:25 PM)
IMO if KPG play less Paulo and Natxo and played more Nooa Lane, we could have went further in both Afc and World Cup qualifiers

Maybe I am too hard on Paulo, but I genuinely think Paulo underperformed even local players. Genuinely some games he just was pointless. Natxo was even more useless.

Heritage 1.0 was good enough for Asia, just dragged down by Natxo and Paulo.
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If u think Paulo is bad enough
U had forgotten Pauline 1.0
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 12 2025, 07:37 PM)
If u think Paulo is bad enough
U had forgotten Pauline 1.0
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Pauline was bad, but I am just talking about the recent AFC and the latest world cup qualifiers.
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 12 2025, 04:51 PM)
Many lower rank team are doing it. We might be just earlier than the rest.

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Slight different though. HK is "international city-state" (new modern nationhood concept) macam Singapore. The mindset on accepting "heritage" and "naturalized" is easier. Human movement is higher.

I remember few years ago when Cambodia hosted the SEA Games 2023, the basketball team was basically all black players (naturalized; starting team). And it gets backlash from the public.

In the Winter Olympic Games 2022, PRC's ice hockey team was basically Canadian Team B. LEL. It was an "experimental work". Testing the public reaction.

Mindset matters. The old traditional statehood or new modern nationhood concept.

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Oh, where is the "cannot speak BM" bashers are hiding??? This is the moment for you to shine.

But when local Chinese, Indian, Orang Asli and half-half are slightly poor in BM kena bash.

Idris Jala
Kelabit / Orang Ulu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Jala
"He is one of the few non-Malay non-Muslims to have been appointed to head a GLC.[11] Idris does not fluent in Malay, but he can understand it."

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Idris+Jala



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QUOTE(Meis @ Jun 12 2025, 08:20 PM)
Oh, where is the "cannot speak BM" bashers are hiding??? This is the moment for you to shine.

But when local Chinese, Indian, Orang Asli and half-half are slightly poor in BM kena bash.

Idris Jala
Kelabit / Orang Ulu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Jala
"He is one of the few non-Malay non-Muslims to have been appointed to head a GLC.[11] Idris does not fluent in Malay, but he can understand it."
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Because it's a big win and all goalscorers are heritage players, especially the new ones, naysayers have been shutdown by people celebrating.

Wait la for a big loss, then you see these people coming out. Like after Asian cup, you see people say how heritage players weren't that good, 2 goalscorers against Korea were local born Malays anyway.

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jun 12 2025, 05:17 PM)
If ayam recall correctly
In Asia, Japan is the first to use a naturalized player in 90s
Brazil Wagner Lopes but Japan work out extra mile on league and academy system to grow together.

Some Pak Arab occasionally recruit Africans but use Arab names hence went undetected unlike Qatar which gone full blown

In ASEAN scene, Singapore used the naturalisation card in 2000s to bring them multiple Tiger Cups.. Bennett, Duric, Qiu Li, Agu etc
But they failed to sustain it without proper youth academy
Indonesia and Philippines recruited few too but gave up half way before the recent Holland2.0 move

Malaysia had tried both cards but the players are still not good enough for Asia stage, so the recent heritage 2.0 has brought stronger A cards
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it seems bola sepak bukan lagi mainan kita sampai kita kena import warisan/natarulisasi sbgnya.
dalam 5 tahun akan datang pemain yang main dekat kelab especially yang bukan selatan tak dapat sarung jersi HM
lama lama player pun bosan
liga pun jadi tak guna sebab player pun rasa tak ada improvement

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QUOTE(latipbogiba @ Jun 12 2025, 10:17 PM)
it seems bola sepak bukan lagi mainan kita sampai kita kena import warisan/natarulisasi sbgnya.
dalam 5 tahun akan datang pemain yang main dekat kelab especially yang bukan selatan tak dapat sarung jersi HM
lama lama player pun bosan
liga pun jadi tak guna sebab player pun rasa tak ada improvement
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QUOTE(Meis @ Jun 12 2025, 07:46 PM)
Slight different though. HK is "international city-state" (new modern nationhood concept) macam Singapore. The mindset on accepting "heritage" and "naturalized" is easier. Human movement is higher.

I remember few years ago when Cambodia hosted the SEA Games 2023, the basketball team was basically all black players (naturalized; starting team). And it gets backlash from the public.

In the Winter Olympic Games 2022, PRC's ice hockey team was basically Canadian Team B. LEL. It was an "experimental work". Testing the public reaction.

Mindset matters. The old traditional statehood or new modern nationhood concept.
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Interesting theory but I don't think it works.

Look at the pictures. I doubt anyone would call Sri Lanka, Cambodia an "international city state".
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