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post Jun 10 2025, 04:47 PM

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If Malaysia can gel quickly and exploit the home ground momentum, this might be their best chance in years to finally break the Vietnam curse. The squad upgrade is serious — but football isn’t won on paper, and cohesion could be the make-or-break factor.

Goalkeeper Concern – Syihan Hazmi (JDT):
Market value: €0.35m, which is modest, even for ASEAN standards.

Despite playing for JDT, he lacks top-tier reflexes and decision-making under pressure, especially against high-pressing teams like Vietnam.

His ball distribution and command of the box have been questioned — not ideal when facing a pressing, direct side like Vietnam.

If there was ever a time to try a bolder GK option, this would be it. But it seems FAM is sticking with “safe” experience.

AA42 is not as good as new citizen, should not start

This post has been edited by 11c: Jun 10 2025, 04:47 PM
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post Jun 10 2025, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 03:29 PM)
https://www.nst.com.my/sports/football/2025...east-asian-fans

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Apa komen hcmalaya?

To be honest, even as a Malaysian, I am suspicious.
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i cannot believe vietnam sent so many vietmoi overseas but no top tier heritage players, indonesia sent so many maids overseas, now they are reaping the hardwork of their maids with so many heritage players
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:36 AM

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I believe after this Vietnam will send more vietmoi out to get heritage players, look at Indonesia reaping the hard work their maids
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Vietmoi @ Jun 11 2025, 09:43 AM)
Malaysouthamerica and Indonetherlands 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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vietnam send so many vietmoi out, why no heritage players ?
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Vietmoi @ Jun 11 2025, 09:53 AM)
Gov dont want to waste money for game 😁, rich Malaysia 😂
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vietmoi overseas should have bring back many revenue for vietnam
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 11 2025, 09:47 AM)
They finally realised after all these years that local players are useless & failures. Which explains why local club teams are allowed up to 15 foreign players. Gaji pun x mampu nak import players lagi…LEL.

Just be proud for now.
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Let’s be real — football at international level not for locals. Too small, legs too short. Need horsepower, not just hometown pride. 🇲🇾⚽️
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 11 2025, 10:15 AM)
Yeah let’s be real. We’ve failed that’s the short & easy answer.

We’ve failed to spot & develop talents from our own people because of years of piss poor planning & through my own experience, lack of meritocracy in team selection be it at junior or senior level. That’s the longer than short answer.
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Easy to blame FAM or the coaches — but what have we done to improve football?”

In the UK or South America, football isn’t just a sport — it’s a way of life. Weekends are for playing with your kids, joining local leagues, kicking around at every field and futsal court.

How many Malaysians do that?
How many parents encourage football over tuition or TikTok?

We want World Cup results without grassroots culture. That’s the real failure — and it starts with us.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:23 AM)
Honestly I do not expect that we will conquer the soccer world.  But during our heydays, we were one of the most feared soccer nation in SEA, almost on par with South Korea then. 
Remember the merdeka tournament…. The merdeka stadium shook with our fans roar then….
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To be honest, our so-called heydays were a long time ago — back when most nations were still recovering from WWII.

Many countries, especially in Africa and parts of Asia, were still struggling with basic needs — not football development. We were ahead because others hadn't even started.

Now the world has caught up, and we’ve stood still — or worse, gone backward. Living off old glories won’t get us anywhere unless we admit that and start rebuilding from the ground up.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 10:26 AM)
Size is just poor excuse. Messi is just 5'7, so we should think he can't make it in professional football?

I think football as a culture is just not ingrained in us. Yes, we like to watch it, but how many people actually is willing to play it day in day out, or send their kids to coaching academy, let them go padang and play, etc etc.

We also have other sports and entertainment that pulls away talents from football.
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Yes, Messi is 1 in a billion — an outlier, not the standard.

The average height in Europe’s top 5 leagues is around 1.82m, and it’s not just about height — it’s strength, build, and power. Our taller players? Often skinny and lack core strength.
Football at the top level is a contact sport, and we’re starting at a physical disadvantage.

Even Japan — highly skilled and fast — still struggle physically against the elite teams. They’ve made up for it with insane work ethic, tactical discipline, and a footballing culture that pushes players from young.

So while skills and speed are important, physical strength can often be the difference when the margins are tight. And that’s something we still haven’t caught up on.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 11 2025, 10:40 AM)
We used to have many good Chinese football players, but now it is down to zero.
Partly because Chinese parents value tuition over sports, and partly because SRJK(C ) do not have proper football fields.
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Back then, the gap between school-level football and international level wasn’t that huge.
Some players could go straight from school tournaments to the national team — raw talent was enough to shine.

But nowadays, it’s a whole different game.
The standard has skyrocketed. Players go through academy systems, strength training, tactical drills, sports science — all from a young age.

If you’re not in that pipeline early, you’re already miles behind.
That’s why just being “good in school” today isn’t enough — not even close.
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Jun 11 2025, 11:09 AM)
have to start with PE Class, focus on core training and stamina, systematically
not just Ok penggal 1 kita ajar bola tampar, everyone warmup, jog 1 round, stretching, ok start

some PE class even just do carefree, cikgu sit beside relax, murid just do whatever they want within the class hour.

badminton famous , imo, also because it's free from weather (hot sun / rain) , easy to start - just need few people and hitting ball with racket, no physical contact with opponent

Dont get me wrong here, it's not easy to play  badminton professionally, i'm talking about the body disadvantages since we were young and there's unlikely improvement designed along the way, except those gym-goer kind of "big muscle" - practicality u know i know

Even in basketball we could find some tall people but doubt they are capable to do intense sports as lack of fundamental
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True, but I think it’s even more important to start from home.
If the father plays Sunday league or even just casual futsal, the son sees that. The whole family can tag along — it becomes a shared routine, not just a sport.

That’s how football becomes part of life, not just something we watch on TV.
You build passion, discipline, and interest naturally — long before any academy or PE class even comes into the picture.

Without that kind of early exposure, no system or program can fully replace the influence of family and daily environment.
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM)
Similar to Brazil, football is weaved in to part of their lives and it's also a real chance at a better life. So the pool of players is bigger, the skills to shine is stronger and the top few are way better.

I think people don't realise the gap between a great player in local league to actually being professional. The best player I've played with and represented state level told me he can't even hack it professionally. And that dude is like 1000x better than the rest of us.
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Exactly — just look at iShowSpeed in those celebrity football matches.
He’s fit, energetic, and passionate… but the moment he’s up against ex-pros, you can clearly see the difference.

The pros are on another level — not just in skill, but in control, positioning, and decision-making.
It’s a different class altogether, even when they’re half-retired.

That’s the kind of gap people don’t realise exists until they see it with their own eyes.
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post Jun 11 2025, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 12:30 PM)
Uhh... Japan 2 Germany 1 last world cup

Takuma Asano i still remember outsprinted the german defence to score

Top their group beating Spain.

You sure or not they cannot cope physically?
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Japan tends to struggle against physically dominant teams over a full tournament. It’s not that smaller players can’t win — they absolutely can — but let’s be real, it’s a huge disadvantage.

You need exceptional speed, technique, and tactical discipline just to match up — and even then, one bad aerial duel, one strong shoulder challenge, and the momentum shifts.

Smaller size doesn’t mean no chance — it just means you’re fighting uphill every game.
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post Jun 12 2025, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jun 11 2025, 09:46 PM)
Our gene athletically inferior. 30-40 years edi trying with local player. Just need to accept the truth.
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Same here — I genuinely wish to see locally coached, homegrown players succeed.
There’s something special about watching one of our own rise through the ranks.

But the reality is… it’s very hard.
With the genetic disadvantages — smaller build, slower physical development — our players start at a disadvantage from day one.

Without a top-tier system to compensate for that, raw talent alone isn’t enough.
It’s not about giving up hope, it’s about understanding the uphill battle we’re facing.
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post Jun 12 2025, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 11 2025, 09:49 PM)
Last time maybe now very strict with var you can easily get yellow card or penalty for playing rough.

The skills and tactical still matter the most. Nuno Mendes 1.80cm only still can pass through multiple defenders to score. Mbappe 1.78cm only.
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True, the game today is more protective — VAR helps cut down on reckless physical play, and smaller players do get more protection.

But let’s be real — skills and tactics alone still aren’t enough without the physical tools to back them up. Players like Mbappé or Nuno Mendes may not be the tallest, but they’re explosively built, insanely fast, and physically elite.

Also, Japanese players in Europe often thrive because they’re in teams surrounded by strong, physically dominant European or African teammates. That support helps cover their physical limitations and lets them focus on their technical strengths.

And we’re talking about top-level football here — the highest level, where even the smallest advantage can make the difference between winning and losing. At that level, every edge matters — size, strength, stamina, mindset, all of it.
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post Jun 12 2025, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Jun 12 2025, 08:49 AM)
arif aiman is just fine
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Yeah, Arif Aiman is a gem, and I really hope that with the influx of heritage and naturalised players, he still gets to start — or at least stay within the top 22.

I read somewhere that FAM has identified 37 Argentine heritage players — that’s wild. It’s great for competition and depth, but we also need to make sure local talents like Arif don’t get sidelined just because others have overseas roots.

That said, in top-tier matches, you can’t afford to carry any sub-standard players — every position needs to be solid. So whether it's local or heritage, the best player should start — no free passes for either side.
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post Jun 12 2025, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Jun 12 2025, 09:19 AM)
I suggest use complicated term like disadvantage physical.
I hope no one pick up your post and start another body shamming war just like what happen to women beach volleyball between MY and CH
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Maybe “physical disadvantage” is a better term than directly saying “genetic” or “small build,” just to avoid any unintended sensitivity.
The last thing we need is people twisting the discussion into a body-shaming issue like what happened with the MY vs CH beach volleyball situation.

The intention is not to shame, but to highlight the real competitive gap we face in elite sports — especially when we’re talking about international standards.
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post Jun 12 2025, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(commonsense @ Jun 12 2025, 08:14 AM)
Really got different. Their finishing is so spot on. If local players, won't have such quality. But still, honestly, I can't feel the proud. The feeling of cheering our team is kind of different too. Now more like club football.
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Especially gol Hidalgo tu — skip satu tackle macam takde apa, lepas tu sumbat guna kaki satu lagi.
Dion Cools punya tandukan pun steady gila — timing cun, padu, terus masuk.

Jujur cakap, player local kita belum sampai tahap tu.
Nak buat decision cepat, ada teknik, tenang depan gol — level lain, bro.
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post Jun 12 2025, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(Meis @ Jun 12 2025, 11:58 AM)
search:
dutch height history

Yes, you can change the height thing in few gens.

It is all about wealth and diet which leads to so-called "athletically superior".

You can see the HUGE different between PRC and India in Olympics.
Indian kids are still malnutrition... on average.
Can't feed the people nicely, can't win medal in pro sport.

Yes, the right mind for the sport too, like JP and SK which both are ethnically homogenous. Better spirit and unity.

Globalization and family getting richer (than previous gens) lead to more food/nutrition variety, thus taller.

I'm 80s with less food/nutrition variety. The kids from 90s and 00s are getting taller slowly. U guys no notice?
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Yes, younger generation memang lagi tinggi.
It’s already happening — but if we’re serious about improving long-term, our diet needs to evolve too.

From nasi lemak pagi-pagi to more milk-based, protein-rich foods.
Kalau asyik makan karbo je, cam mana badan nak grow?

Not saying abandon local food lah… but kalau nak anak tinggi, kuat, and lari 90 minit tanpa pancit — nutrition kena upgrade juga.
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post Jun 12 2025, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 12 2025, 12:31 PM)
If only physicals really that important. Or else you bring in more experienced naturalised players also cannot enter WC2030.

And this 4 scorers already older also. Teamwork must start from young. Lamine and Mbappe train with spain and France team since kids.

Play with vietnam sure good enough but if face saudi , japan , Australia Iran dont think can win. If your mix and match naturalised team can beat these teams then have chance enter WC which is unlikely as they won't have good teamwork.

See WC UK 2006 stars players still lose. Somemore mix and match naturalised cannot oo.
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I’m not saying physical strength is everything, but let’s be honest — in top-tier sports, physical strength is one of the most important attributes.

At that level, everyone has skills, the technical gap isn’t huge. What separates winners is the ability to last longer, push harder, and win duels — especially when opponents are trained to exploit every small weakness.

You can be skillful, but if you’re constantly getting outmuscled, outrun, or outjumped — you’re a liability.

That’s why physicality matters just as much as talent and tactics — maybe even more when it comes to the elite level.

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