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post Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 11 2025, 11:04 AM)
Those South Americans are just have some kinda weird exceptional talent. They can be average in height, "trained" only on the streets, yets can produce talents that can beat European/Asian football academy players.

Its clear that they can do it without physical strength or years of football academy training, but the rest of can't.

Especially when it comes to Asian, we're quite frankly, below average in terms of football.
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Similar to Brazil, football is weaved in to part of their lives and it's also a real chance at a better life. So the pool of players is bigger, the skills to shine is stronger and the top few are way better.

I think people don't realise the gap between a great player in local league to actually being professional. The best player I've played with and represented state level told me he can't even hack it professionally. And that dude is like 1000x better than the rest of us.
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 10:26 AM)
Size is just poor excuse. Messi is just 5'7, so we should think he can't make it in professional football?

I think football as a culture is just not ingrained in us. Yes, we like to watch it, but how many people actually is willing to play it day in day out, or send their kids to coaching academy, let them go padang and play, etc etc.

We also have other sports and entertainment that pulls away talents from football.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM)
Similar to Brazil, football is weaved in to part of their lives and it's also a real chance at a better life. So the pool of players is bigger, the skills to shine is stronger and the top few are way better.

I think people don't realise the gap between a great player in local league to actually being professional. The best player I've played with and represented state level told me he can't even hack it professionally. And that dude is like 1000x better than the rest of us.
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Maybe.

My point is, don't look at Messi. Messi is a once a generation kinda talent. He is a freak of nature. And even regular Latin Americans footballers just have the genes for football. They can do it without size or height.

The rest of us (European, African, Asian) need physical size and height to compete. And needless to say, us Asian are smaller and shorter.
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Jun 11 2025, 11:09 AM)
have to start with PE Class, focus on core training and stamina, systematically
not just Ok penggal 1 kita ajar bola tampar, everyone warmup, jog 1 round, stretching, ok start

some PE class even just do carefree, cikgu sit beside relax, murid just do whatever they want within the class hour.

badminton famous , imo, also because it's free from weather (hot sun / rain) , easy to start - just need few people and hitting ball with racket, no physical contact with opponent

Dont get me wrong here, it's not easy to play  badminton professionally, i'm talking about the body disadvantages since we were young and there's unlikely improvement designed along the way, except those gym-goer kind of "big muscle" - practicality u know i know

Even in basketball we could find some tall people but doubt they are capable to do intense sports as lack of fundamental
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True, but I think it’s even more important to start from home.
If the father plays Sunday league or even just casual futsal, the son sees that. The whole family can tag along — it becomes a shared routine, not just a sport.

That’s how football becomes part of life, not just something we watch on TV.
You build passion, discipline, and interest naturally — long before any academy or PE class even comes into the picture.

Without that kind of early exposure, no system or program can fully replace the influence of family and daily environment.
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 11 2025, 11:10 AM)
Similar to Brazil, football is weaved in to part of their lives and it's also a real chance at a better life. So the pool of players is bigger, the skills to shine is stronger and the top few are way better.

I think people don't realise the gap between a great player in local league to actually being professional. The best player I've played with and represented state level told me he can't even hack it professionally. And that dude is like 1000x better than the rest of us.
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Exactly — just look at iShowSpeed in those celebrity football matches.
He’s fit, energetic, and passionate… but the moment he’s up against ex-pros, you can clearly see the difference.

The pros are on another level — not just in skill, but in control, positioning, and decision-making.
It’s a different class altogether, even when they’re half-retired.

That’s the kind of gap people don’t realise exists until they see it with their own eyes.
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 11 2025, 10:40 AM)
We used to have many good Chinese football players, but now it is down to zero.
Partly because Chinese parents value tuition over sports, and partly because SRJK(C ) do not have proper football fields.
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during my schooldays, the best time is actually to play against SJKC team, everyone can score one. If SJKT we always win, but they run a lot... tiring
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Jun 11 2025, 11:09 AM)
have to start with PE Class, focus on core training and stamina, systematically
not just Ok penggal 1 kita ajar bola tampar, everyone warmup, jog 1 round, stretching, ok start

some PE class even just do carefree, cikgu sit beside relax, murid just do whatever they want within the class hour.

badminton famous , imo, also because it's free from weather (hot sun / rain) , easy to start - just need few people and hitting ball with racket, no physical contact with opponent

Dont get me wrong here, it's not easy to play  badminton professionally, i'm talking about the body disadvantages since we were young and there's unlikely improvement designed along the way, except those gym-goer kind of "big muscle" - practicality u know i know

Even in basketball we could find some tall people but doubt they are capable to do intense sports as lack of fundamental
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expensive training expensive yo

not that u play at kampung suddenly can represent the state and country
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 10 2025, 03:29 PM)
What happened to home grown players? What’s with the 15 foreign players rule for leagues??
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(biggie @ Jun 11 2025, 12:08 PM)
during my schooldays, the best time is actually to play against SJKC team, everyone can score one. If SJKT we always win, but they run a lot... tiring
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When i was in SMK in a small town
Those from SRJK C & T join in SMK form1
Football was like
C- brawn power
T- speed power
M- skill power
The mixed team always win the football match
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 11 2025, 12:11 PM)
expensive training expensive yo

not that u play at kampung suddenly can represent the state and country
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My kid wanna join school badminton club
Teacher said full.. seem like got priority application
End up assigned to ping pong club
Then no teacher guide punya
Everyone get 5 minutes to play on the limited 2 tables
How to maju sukan sekolah
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 10 2025, 05:00 PM)
i cannot believe vietnam sent so many vietmoi overseas but no top tier heritage players, indonesia sent so many maids overseas, now they are reaping the hardwork of their maids with so many heritage players
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post Jun 11 2025, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 11 2025, 10:42 AM)
Yes, Messi is 1 in a billion — an outlier, not the standard.

The average height in Europe’s top 5 leagues is around 1.82m, and it’s not just about height — it’s strength, build, and power. Our taller players? Often skinny and lack core strength.
Football at the top level is a contact sport, and we’re starting at a physical disadvantage.

Even Japan — highly skilled and fast — still struggle physically against the elite teams. They’ve made up for it with insane work ethic, tactical discipline, and a footballing culture that pushes players from young.

So while skills and speed are important, physical strength can often be the difference when the margins are tight. And that’s something we still haven’t caught up on.
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Uhh... Japan 2 Germany 1 last world cup

Takuma Asano i still remember outsprinted the german defence to score

Top their group beating Spain.

You sure or not they cannot cope physically?


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post Jun 11 2025, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 12:30 PM)
Uhh... Japan 2 Germany 1 last world cup

Takuma Asano i still remember outsprinted the german defence to score

Top their group beating Spain.

You sure or not they cannot cope physically?
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Counter attack, sprint yes.
But physically body contact cannot. There is a reason why bigger body, muscular body alwayz win world cup..
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post Jun 11 2025, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 12:30 PM)
Uhh... Japan 2 Germany 1 last world cup

Takuma Asano i still remember outsprinted the german defence to score

Top their group beating Spain.

You sure or not they cannot cope physically?
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Japan tends to struggle against physically dominant teams over a full tournament. It’s not that smaller players can’t win — they absolutely can — but let’s be real, it’s a huge disadvantage.

You need exceptional speed, technique, and tactical discipline just to match up — and even then, one bad aerial duel, one strong shoulder challenge, and the momentum shifts.

Smaller size doesn’t mean no chance — it just means you’re fighting uphill every game.
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 11 2025, 10:42 AM)
Yes, Messi is 1 in a billion — an outlier, not the standard.

The average height in Europe’s top 5 leagues is around 1.82m, and it’s not just about height — it’s strength, build, and power. Our taller players? Often skinny and lack core strength.
Football at the top level is a contact sport, and we’re starting at a physical disadvantage.

Even Japan — highly skilled and fast — still struggle physically against the elite teams. They’ve made up for it with insane work ethic, tactical discipline, and a footballing culture that pushes players from young.

So while skills and speed are important, physical strength can often be the difference when the margins are tight. And that’s something we still haven’t caught up on.
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IIRC Malaysia has been bad with teams that have heights, which is why in Asia our worst opponents are usually the Arabs.
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 11 2025, 01:42 PM)
Japan tends to struggle against physically dominant teams over a full tournament. It’s not that smaller players can’t win — they absolutely can — but let’s be real, it’s a huge disadvantage.

You need exceptional speed, technique, and tactical discipline just to match up — and even then, one bad aerial duel, one strong shoulder challenge, and the momentum shifts.

Smaller size doesn’t mean no chance — it just means you’re fighting uphill every game.
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all their main players play in europe. all their standard is oredi like european. their physicality included.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 11 2025, 09:29 PM)
IIRC Malaysia has been bad with teams that have heights, which is why in Asia our worst opponents are usually the Arabs.
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Yes
Our skilled players can match asean or minnow asians
When enter Pak Arabs
Even Palestine whack our midgets 6-0 home and away
The worst is 0-10 by Arab emirates
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 11 2025, 11:15 AM)
Yeah let’s be real. We’ve failed that’s the short & easy answer.

We’ve failed to spot & develop talents from our own people because of years of piss poor planning & through my own experience, lack of meritocracy in team selection be it at junior or senior level. That’s the longer than short answer.
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Our gene athletically inferior. 30-40 years edi trying with local player. Just need to accept the truth.


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post Jun 11 2025, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(11c @ Jun 11 2025, 01:42 PM)
Japan tends to struggle against physically dominant teams over a full tournament. It’s not that smaller players can’t win — they absolutely can — but let’s be real, it’s a huge disadvantage.

You need exceptional speed, technique, and tactical discipline just to match up — and even then, one bad aerial duel, one strong shoulder challenge, and the momentum shifts.

Smaller size doesn’t mean no chance — it just means you’re fighting uphill every game.
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Last time maybe now very strict with var you can easily get yellow card or penalty for playing rough.

The skills and tactical still matter the most. Nuno Mendes 1.80cm only still can pass through multiple defenders to score. Mbappe 1.78cm only.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 11 2025, 09:49 PM)
Last time maybe now very strict with var you can easily get yellow card or penalty for playing rough.

The skills and tactical still matter the most. Nuno Mendes 1.80cm only still can pass through multiple defenders to score. Mbappe 1.78cm only.
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ref still have final say. sometimes ref dowana review var. sometimes after reviewing var, ref still make controversial decisionu
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:51 PM

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Today I saw news. Why the players name doesn't sound like local? and there's a photos labelling them with other country... Do they even speak bahasa? Betul ke team Malaysia?

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