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CityLife
post Nov 29 2007, 09:12 PM

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Looking at another aspect regarding at this issue of including DOTA in WCG final....

If u have a nephew who have not played Dota before, would u recommend him to play the game in LAN/ Battlenet?

If u have a younger brother, would u do the same?

If u have a child, would u encourage him/ her to get involve in playing this in LAN/ Battlenet as a noob and risk of being ushered by aggressive remark in-game or possibility of other unpleasant experience as being a noob in-game?

I like the concept of Dota.

However, the many ppl that play this game always make it not condusive for new comer to sustain their interest long enough for them to continue. Therefore, apart from those keen Dota players who would sent e-mail to ICM, who else would?

Ultimately, its the AUDIENCE/ CROWD who would support growth of e-sport not the players per-se.


Added on November 29, 2007, 9:16 pm
QUOTE(oRoXoRo @ Nov 29 2007, 12:01 PM)
They r just focusing on giving irrelevant negative comments about it, I would say. Complains about Dota will never stop biggrin.gif
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Sorry brother. Not complaining about Dota.
It is Dota player that is being complained here.

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post Nov 29 2007, 10:13 PM

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many hav changed after playing dota for a long period, all of dem r less abusive..and becomes polite after all its e-sport..character is also very important
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QUOTE(CityLife @ Nov 29 2007, 09:12 PM)
Looking at another aspect regarding at this issue of including DOTA in WCG final....

If u have a nephew who have not played Dota before, would u recommend him to play the game in LAN/ Battlenet?

If u have a younger brother, would u do the same?

If u have a child, would u encourage him/ her to get involve in playing this in LAN/ Battlenet as a noob and risk of being ushered by aggressive remark in-game or possibility of other unpleasant experience as being a noob in-game?

I like the concept of Dota.

However, the many ppl that play this game always make it not condusive for new comer to sustain their interest long enough for them to continue. Therefore, apart from those keen Dota players who would sent e-mail to ICM, who else would?

Ultimately, its the AUDIENCE/ CROWD who would support growth of  e-sport not the players per-se.
that would effectively rule out pretty much any game which requires a lot of player interaction


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post Nov 30 2007, 12:10 AM

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sleep.gif No point u complain about the players. Most of u all do have ur point/opinions and I agree with it.
Fans or spectators are very important. But hey, we are talking about getting dota into WCG and like other games it would required the players itself to vote/support 1st.

If the community of dota got problem, then we will just quit playing the game?
If they want to play dota and not other games, whose fault it is? dota or the player? some said like dota is the main problem that caused other games to be left out. I totally wont agree with this. But i understand, not like last time, i can play SC, CS , AOE , HALF LIFE and blablabla during my session in cybercafe. Now, all just focus on Dota and its 1 of the reason I seldom go to cyber cafe.


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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ Nov 29 2007, 09:18 AM)
At least you and I are having a 'peaceful' discussion. Want to go HINDRAF now?  laugh.gif

Granted, not having an original copy doesn't mean you can't participate in a tournament. But i do stress that i've seen plenty of DoTA players(i can't bring myself to use the word gamer) that still have a childish attitude.

Until they show maturity like those of foreign DoTA players(personally, haven't seen any, but i'm sure they're way more mature. i'm not asking for the same maturity level, just better than what it is now)... i don't see it happening.
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ahh just found a good thread..http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/533453
according to the tread strater, this is the quote
QUOTE(a55a55in @ Oct 8 2007, 08:04 PM)
noob is usually categorized as insult, but the difference here is noob is used to refer someone who did a terrible mistake, or totally sux at DotA. The normal insults are used on anyone (even pros) and usually shouted every 5-10 mins in the game.

Please pick your favorite DotA short phrase..
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QUOTE(Heemee @ Nov 29 2007, 11:26 AM)
'childish attitude' it seems
Unwilling to see both sides of the picture to make clear judgements , now THAT is childish . The bolded comment is just so ...  unbelievably ignorant (sorry but I have to be blunt here) . Don't you think that would be more of a 'hate the player not the game case' ?

It seems that many of you blame Dota for the lack of other games making it here . Did it ever occur to you that other people just might not have the same taste as you ? Games are meant to be enjoyed , do you expect us to spend our time playing something we don't enjoy just because its new ?
Did you really think that Dota would remain successful as long as it did if we really didn't enjoy it , that we play it 'just because our friends are playing as well'  ? If you believe all that , I have a pot of gold just sitting at the end of the rainbow to sell you .

A lot of the anti-dota activists here are using the same tired excuses . 'same old map' 'too many tournaments around already' . While dota might only have 1 map , which has been tweaked a lot throughout its years , the fact remains there are a wide variety of heroes / items / builds / combos . There is also creep pulling , creep control , rune control , gank timing , using the fog of war to your advantage , etc etc . Basically , the WAY the map is played out has changed . On that argument , what about CS ? How many types of guns are actually used during a course of a match ? You might play on different maps , but ultimately what you spend your funds on are relatively limited . Or any other game for that matter ? Like H@H@ said , FIFA runs on 1 map as well . Are you going to rag on FIFA then ? Don't get me wrong , im not saying DOTA > CS/FIFA/etc etc , but i AM saying that using that as an excuse is kinda zzz ( for lack of more polite words)

As you know , tournaments are usually held to either promote the game itself , or their company/cafe , more often the latter . In which case , I don't understand why u blame Dota . The simple fact is , a majority of the people do NOT enjoy the game . Which is why cafes refuse to run tournaments for it . Hell , if you feel so strongly about it , maybe you could do your bit about promoting it instead of channeling your energy to running down other games .

The reason people do not 'actively reply' is because most of the arguments brought up are stale . They are poorly thought up arguments brought up by anti-dota people long long ago , which to this date for some reason are still being brought up despite being shot down numerous times and have hence lost all forms of logic .

As many others have said , Dota has already built a large following worldwide throughout the years . As an avid Dota fan I would sincerely love to see it included in the list of games . About being imba , they could use the version being used in tourneys worldwide , 6.48b atm , pretty sure gamers would have no complaints . Or maybe just add it for a year to see how things go . There was already so much controversy at this years WCG finals , i doubt things could get any worst lol .Meh maybe instead of writing in to the WCG commitee we should be writing to Blizzard instead . But hey , even if it doesn't make it , im not gonna knock on other games just because my game didn't make it  yawn.gif
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the question is, what other kind of football field we can have?? smaller size? round shape? triangle shape???
AFAIK, football field only has 1 type and it is the same all around the world.

all these discussion reall gone out of topic. more about dota fanboys vs anti-dotard. no about hating the game itself.
whatever, dota should not get into WCG or it will kill other games aswell.

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post Dec 5 2007, 09:56 PM

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Why care if DotA is in wcg or not?

For some game like starcraft, WCG is not that prestigious at all.
In Korea they have starleagues for Starcraft. Maybe Malaysia should make our own version of DotA league.
If starcraft is Tennis, winning WCG is like getting Olympic gold medal and winning Starleague is like winning Grand Slam.

Get a TV deal for local tournament is better than getting DotA to WCG.
Who knows 5 yrs from now most ppl in DotA community will envy us and want to be Malaysian, just like how some of sc:bw players want to be Korean.
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QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Dec 5 2007, 09:56 PM)
Why care if DotA is in wcg or not?

For some game like starcraft, WCG is not that prestigious at all.
In Korea they have starleagues for Starcraft. Maybe Malaysia should make our own version of DotA league.
If starcraft is Tennis, winning WCG is like getting Olympic gold medal and winning Starleague is like winning Grand Slam.

Get a TV deal for local tournament is better than getting DotA to WCG.
Who knows 5 yrs from now most ppl in DotA  community will envy us and want to be Malaysian, just like how some of sc:bw players want to be Korean.
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Dude...we do have it...it's called the DotA National Finals...

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post Dec 6 2007, 12:26 AM

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seems like johnny the legoman has a bad experience in dota. What he said is totally true. But please dont generalizing. U talking about some noob that keep scolding/humiliate other players and ur saying like all dota players are like tat. About the football field or what, i dont really understand or care but how can dota kill other games? If u like that game just show ur support to it. We like dota and we r doing it now.
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QUOTE(oRoXoRo @ Dec 6 2007, 12:26 AM)
seems like johnny the legoman has a bad experience in dota. What he said is totally true. But please dont generalizing. U talking about some noob that keep scolding/humiliate other players and ur saying like all dota players are like tat. About the football field or what, i dont really understand or care but how can dota kill other games? If u like that game just show ur support to it. We like dota and we r doing it now.
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not kill per se...just that as DotA is getting more popular here...other games begin to fall into a distance , thereby rendering the state of Malaysian gaming near stagnant..

Lack of gaming competition for other games as well...this is partially the effect of DotA killing other games.

Because DotA is where more gamers are at...CC's organize more games for DotA since it is a good way to make a profit...and because of that those games that could possibly be better than DotA falls by the wayside...

I'm not saying that DotA sucks b*lls...I'm saying that DotA shouldn't get that much attention at the cost of other potentially better games
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QUOTE(radkliler @ Dec 6 2007, 12:55 AM)
not kill per se...just that as DotA is getting more popular here...other games begin to fall into a distance , thereby rendering the state of Malaysian gaming near stagnant..

Lack of gaming competition for other games as well...this is partially the effect of DotA killing other games.

Because DotA is where more gamers are at...CC's organize more games for DotA since it is a good way to make a profit...and because of that those games that could possibly be better than DotA falls by the wayside...

I'm not saying that DotA sucks b*lls...I'm saying that DotA shouldn't get that much attention at the cost of other potentially better games
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your explaination is much more better.. i have my support!!
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post Dec 6 2007, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(radkliler @ Dec 5 2007, 10:17 PM)
Dude...we do have it...it's called the DotA National Finals...

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By the time you read this i'm rolling on the floor laughing out loud.
Ignorance, we don't have a Starleague equivalent league here in Malaysia!!!
Even non-DotA player like me knows SMM National Finals exist.

Ok, i forgot to add 'professional' word there,
but never mind, you guys DotA players call everyone that are good at the game pro. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Dec 6 2007, 01:41 AM)
By the time you read this i'm rolling on the floor laughing out loud.
Ignorance, we don't have a Starleague equivalent league here in Malaysia!!!
Even non-DotA player like me knows SMM National Finals exist. 

Ok, i forgot to add 'professional' word there,
but never mind, you guys DotA players call everyone that are good at the game pro. tongue.gif
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Well that is the closes M'sia has to a DotA league....because the rest are mostly CC hosted competitions.
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QUOTE(oRoXoRo @ Nov 26 2007, 01:31 PM)
Cant u see? most of the recent posts are all non dota supporters. In order to encourage more ppl to vote biggrin.gif  i must post something positive about dota. The reason i said its 1 sided its because this thread getting more and more negative posts. biggrin.gif
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You seriously don't know how much of the "dark side" you're missing. wink.gif
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The FIFA comparison was brought up for ppl who actually thought that dota having only 1 map unlike CS was a legit argument (lol) . And for the love of god , stop using player mentalities as an argument . They would have done it in CS , they do it in DOTA , what makes you think those ppl playing any other game would be any different ? Is there some sort of hypnotic drug which is found only in dota that makes people lash out at 'noobs' ?



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QUOTE(radkliler @ Dec 6 2007, 12:55 AM)
not kill per se...just that as DotA is getting more popular here...other games begin to fall into a distance , thereby rendering the state of Malaysian gaming near stagnant..

Lack of gaming competition for other games as well...this is partially the effect of DotA killing other games.

Because DotA is where more gamers are at...CC's organize more games for DotA since it is a good way to make a profit...and because of that those games that could possibly be better than DotA falls by the wayside...

I'm not saying that DotA sucks b*lls...I'm saying that DotA shouldn't get that much attention at the cost of other potentially better games
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News flash, in the world of pro-gaming, its all about focusing on one game and ignoring the rest. That's just how it works.

In order for someone to be good in something, they have to focus solely on that one thing and nothing else. This takes months to pull off as well. How many "pro-gamers" out there you know who actively take part in multiple games simultaneously? Its either "He's a CS pro-gamer", a "Starcraft pro" or "FIFA champion"... Nowhere do you ever hear stuff like "FPS pro" or "Super Uber in every-game Pro"

That is the nature of this business.


Again, you guys are bringing up the "Dota is killing other games" argument and really now... Its getting old.

Dota being a pro game has nothing to do with killing off other games. Starcraft has dominated the Pro scene in Korea and they still have a very healthy MMO population.
Dota being the only game installed in a cafe isn't an absolute. There are plenty of cafes who stock other games.
Dota being famous doesn't suddenly make every other game irrelevant. If someone only focuses on Dota, what makes you think they'll suddenly be interested in other games if Dota ceases to exist?
Dota doesn't steal potential gamers from other games. With the amount of hate you guys have for Dota players, why the hell do you even want them to partake in the games you play?
Dota didn't kill your mum.
Dota didn't drown your dog.
Dota isn't the root of all evil.

Get over it.


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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Dec 6 2007, 11:09 AM)
You seriously don't know how much of the "dark side" you're missing.  wink.gif
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Lol, Yeah there is but i don't want to do any wild guess. Why dont u tell more here?


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Yeah, this is the problem. Those organizers and dota players are 2 different group of people. Nothing to do with dota players if there is alot of dota tourney. Other "potential good games" still can organize tourney as well.
"DotA shouldn't get that much attention at the cost of other potentially better games" this is the best. I'm speechless. thumbup.gif

I hate BF, I hate wow but I wont say things like WoW is killing others online game, and every game sure got some sore losers not just dota. Just be more open minded and sporting. When i just started dota, im a noob as well. Others keep on scolding me noob but I'm fine with that cause during that time its the truth. I'm fine with that cuz i know that I will pawn them back in the future tongue.gif I just love pawning those attitude problem players.

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This thread suddenly caught my eyes when i saw someone mentioning "FIFA" in here..


I TOTALLY DISAGREE with what most ppl here saying DOTA is KILLING other games.. you wanna know y?


I take FIFA as an example since someone here dare to bring FIFA in here:


1.FIFA community has been growing rapidly every year even with the presence of DOTA.Every tourney never fails to reach a min of 50 gamers.

2.FIFA even have 4 MAJOR TOURNEY this year even with DOTA around.. (WCG,CEL Games,CGS and WGT) and its a FULL HOUSE!

3.Back in 2000-2004, CS was damn popular but FIFA is still growing with increasing number of participants.

4.Previously we have 2 FIFA league but now merge into 1.This show that the number of ppl playing FIFA competitively is increasing that there are a waiting list to enter this league.

5. Last year there was only 2 FIFA clan, this year we have 5 FIFA clan and is still rising.



To summarize it all, the only reason why a game die is not bcoz of other games, but bcoz it DOESNT HAVE A STRONG COMMUNITY! AND THE COMMUNITY ITSELF DOESNT TRY TO PROMOTE HEALTHY GAMING!

IF what this ppl are saying is true, then definitely things tht i mention above would not happened rite? IF the theory is true FIFA would die liao.. but fortunately the theory has been proven WRONG!


So enuff of this bashing DOTA or other games. If this type of attitude turns into our gaming culture, then there wont be anymore E-Sport in Malaysia.Bcoz the only thing i c here is JEALOUSY... it doesnt matter if its DOTA or CS or FIFA, but if suddenly there is a game title that suddenly popular, definitely this same ppl will still bashing this new popular game.


And i hope the admin do take this thing seriously bcoz from what i've seen it can be turned into a GAMING RACIST.. and we dont want this type of mentality around do we?


Final word, just play the games you love.. and support the community! ^^
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^^ well said Rin
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Dota being a pro game has nothing to do with killing off other games. Starcraft has dominated the Pro scene in Korea and they still have a very healthy MMO population.


stop doing the comparison for a while.. here is our situation.., do you think cybercafe will invest their money in doing other than DOTA tournament. let say warcraft3 melee, C&C3, battlefield etc u name it... because DOTA is dominating other games in malaysia, i dont think i can see more of other game tournaments coming. take dawn of war mini tournament series held by New Era as example, the participation fees is FREE! and we always get less than 32 players. Average counts 20heads or less. Some of the tournament have to delay due to lack of people to participate. The prize are really awesome. 1st prize rm1000, 2nd RM600, 3rd 300. and you need no to pay any shit to enter the tourney. Guess what no body came. Even with the organizer support, no it do not success. That's sad, eveyone just hype about DOTA.


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Dota being the only game installed in a cafe isn't an absolute. There are plenty of cafes who stock other games.


again, you really dont see the actual problem. Most cyber cafe dont even care update other games (like patch, map pack, MOD etc). DOTA is their 1st priority here. With DOTA, they can make money. they dont really care about other games, since the numbers of player is too few.


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Again, you guys are bringing up the "Dota is killing other games" argument and really now... Its getting old.


DOTA does killed other games. Look at what happen in all the CyberCafe. take a sweep at those monitor screen.. everyone is playing DOTA.
i hardly find other kaki to play other games in cyber cafe. all the while is versus my friends and AI. however, for DOTA players can always find their kaki and easily available..

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Lol it's because of dota or ur dawn of war tourney have problem attracting more players? It's because u keep on telling yourself its because dota thats y them dowan to try other games. I think its totally wrong. Last time, during CS era, there are SC,HALF LIFE,C&C players as well. If its about tourney, then its up to the organizers. If its about updates, I dont see any problem with FTZ asia net.

Most of ur comments are just ur fully biased assumptions so I've nothing to comment about. Not saying u'r totally wrong but just that I don't agree with you.

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