Wow, the anti-Dota crowd seems to be in full force here (as usual)

1. Replace the word "MAP" with "MOD" and you effectively ruled out CS as well.

4. CS used real-life gun names without permission (Hence the reason the retail version had them changed), and they were still allowed for use in tourneys.

Like I said in the thread in the Warcraft 3 forum, CS is still the exception to the rule that Mods don't do well on the international stage due to lack of support.

Again, lots of ppl who played CS competitively during its heyday last time didn't have ori or even a copy at home for that matter.

I find your statement funny, because if you replace "DOTA" with "Starcraft" and "Malaysian" with "Korean", your statement actually insults the most profitable gaming nation in the world.

Now, I don't agree that we should all be like the Koreans who still think its 1998, but it certainly isn't the pessimistic "stagnant" picture you paint us to have.

That's right, just dismiss a mod because its a mod. Its nice to know that modders are only capable of making ornate versions of Musical Chairs in your eyes.


I'm tempted to just ban the lot of you for a week for constantly doing this everytime this subject pops up (The anti-dota forumers i mean).

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Added on November 26, 2007, 2:36 pmBased on your reasoning, let's look at FIFA 08. Last I checked, in football, you only played on one field (aka the "map"). Am I to believe that FIFA is less of a game than CS now?

This post has been edited by H@H@: Nov 26 2007, 02:36 PM

1. But it still became a game in its own way. I don't see that happening with DoTA. Maybe when Blizzard picks up DoTA and continues development but i don't see that happening just yet. It's still too complicated.

4. Ain't saying anything.



No no....i'm talking about the current situation. Even i myself didn't use to own original War3. But i DO think now, since i can afford it, and from my observation that most who play DoTA are late teens, that they should make an effort to get original games.

Hell, i'll bet even kids at the age of 15 now get way more allowance than i do.



We're still within topic discussion. There will always be two sides of the coin. One reason why no DoTA supporters actively reply isn't because we've hijacked their thread. We're just expressing our views. If they don't want to reply, let them.

Some people prefers to go to cyber cafe. They play dota there and there is dota tourney and they join. Is there any need for original CD? U can change the dota to another game. It is still the same thing. That's y i think its irrelevant to point out that point.
For now, dota supporters can only be supportive in order for dota to succeed. Dota did succeeded just that u dont know about it. Now we want Dota to be in WCG 2008. Thats all. Can or cannot doesnt really matter as long as we ve tried. Not just dota, if there is another game that i like i will still support it like how i supported dota.

1. Doesn't change the fact that its a mod that has a following. CS's popularity may be a freak aversion in this case, but that's no reason to write it off.

4. Well you brought up the whole copyright issue. I was just saying that, for mods, its rarely an issue.


Having an original copy never was and will never be a requirement to participate in a tournament.


And this anti-Dota movement brings up the same old arguments over and over again. Its just a map; Its killing the local gaming community; Its not a game; Dotards are llamas, etc. This is bordering on trolling since its constantly being repeated (Most of which is laced with malice). You guys don't like the game (We get it), but you bring that to a whole new level of hate.

Also, this is to prevent stupid flame wars from erupting because of such posts. More often than not, its the anti-Dota crowd that throws the first rock.

The pro/anti Dota crowd have shown that they both can't coexist together, therefore any discussions have been disallowed. Not my fault that some of you can't seem to discuss this in a peaceful manner.

i think we just need to take a look at DOTA on the ASIAN WCG to have an idea how successful it can be at a worldwide LAN tournament.....

from the feedback i gotten from SG forums, it is the event that attract the biggest crowd aka the main event of ACG...

i think that for watever reason DOTA is not consider for the worldwide WCG, is definitely not due to its lacks of support, but maybe some other financial or commercial issues that DOTA fans have no power over....

there have been some in depth discussion over at DA forums as to why DOTA have not been included into mainstream profesional gaming scene, and some people feel it never will cross over....

the main reason that those close to the profesional gaming scene concluded that is the length of a DOTA game and the knowledge of the game mechanics needed to understand DOTA which makes it not "spectators friendly" for LAN tournaments,

you can pick a random guy out of the crowd to take a look at CS and he will know wats happening after 5 mins, but for DOTA , he can watch it for over hours, but if he never play the game before, he will have no clue wat is the game all about.....

unless the game developers of DOTA solved these 2 main issues, those experts feel DOTA wil never make it to any mainstream worldwide LAN event, and even Icefrog , the game designer have spoken out that he likes the way DOTA is now, and will not make any drastic changes to it so that it could be implemented into spectators-orientated event.....

This post has been edited by synzo: Nov 26 2007, 05:28 PM

If SC2 were to come out, it will definitely be in WCG.
Who cares whether DOTA will be in or not at the international stage.

Just trying to give u an example. If u dont care why u wanna post it here.

I doubt SC2 will replace dota.

Another epic reply lol~

WCG got products to buy rofl ...

So you suggesting other games don't have players worldwide ?

At least you and I are having a 'peaceful' discussion. Want to go HINDRAF now?

Granted, not having an original copy doesn't mean you can't participate in a tournament. But i do stress that i've seen plenty of DoTA players(i can't bring myself to use the word gamer) that still have a childish attitude.

Until they show maturity like those of foreign DoTA players(personally, haven't seen any, but i'm sure they're way more mature. i'm not asking for the same maturity level, just better than what it is now)... i don't see it happening.

'childish attitude' it seems
Unwilling to see both sides of the picture to make clear judgements , now THAT is childish . The bolded comment is just so ... unbelievably ignorant (sorry but I have to be blunt here) . Don't you think that would be more of a 'hate the player not the game case' ?

It seems that many of you blame Dota for the lack of other games making it here . Did it ever occur to you that other people just might not have the same taste as you ? Games are meant to be enjoyed , do you expect us to spend our time playing something we don't enjoy just because its new ?
Did you really think that Dota would remain successful as long as it did if we really didn't enjoy it , that we play it 'just because our friends are playing as well' ? If you believe all that , I have a pot of gold just sitting at the end of the rainbow to sell you .

A lot of the anti-dota activists here are using the same tired excuses . 'same old map' 'too many tournaments around already' . While dota might only have 1 map , which has been tweaked a lot throughout its years , the fact remains there are a wide variety of heroes / items / builds / combos . There is also creep pulling , creep control , rune control , gank timing , using the fog of war to your advantage , etc etc . Basically , the WAY the map is played out has changed . On that argument , what about CS ? How many types of guns are actually used during a course of a match ? You might play on different maps , but ultimately what you spend your funds on are relatively limited . Or any other game for that matter ? Like H@H@ said , FIFA runs on 1 map as well . Are you going to rag on FIFA then ? Don't get me wrong , im not saying DOTA > CS/FIFA/etc etc , but i AM saying that using that as an excuse is kinda zzz ( for lack of more polite words)

As you know , tournaments are usually held to either promote the game itself , or their company/cafe , more often the latter . In which case , I don't understand why u blame Dota . The simple fact is , a majority of the people do NOT enjoy the game . Which is why cafes refuse to run tournaments for it . Hell , if you feel so strongly about it , maybe you could do your bit about promoting it instead of channeling your energy to running down other games .

The reason people do not 'actively reply' is because most of the arguments brought up are stale . They are poorly thought up arguments brought up by anti-dota people long long ago , which to this date for some reason are still being brought up despite being shot down numerous times and have hence lost all forms of logic .

As many others have said , Dota has already built a large following worldwide throughout the years . As an avid Dota fan I would sincerely love to see it included in the list of games . About being imba , they could use the version being used in tourneys worldwide , 6.48b atm , pretty sure gamers would have no complaints . Or maybe just add it for a year to see how things go . There was already so much controversy at this years WCG finals , i doubt things could get any worst lol .Meh maybe instead of writing in to the WCG commitee we should be writing to Blizzard instead . But hey , even if it doesn't make it , im not gonna knock on other games just because my game didn't make it

They r just focusing on giving irrelevant negative comments about it, I would say. Complains about Dota will never stop

Long post... couldn't be bothered to read most of it but here's my reply to the first few paragraphs.

My argument is with the players themselves, the map and the combinations you can have in DoTA. Tell me, exactly how many heroes are there in DoTA?

And as for the players, i blame Malaysian gamers themselves for not branching out into other games besides DoTA. Take a look at most cybercafes on a Friday, Sat and Sun night. At least 4/5 of all computers there have DoTA being played on them.

And why should i rag on FIFA? They don't show the kind of immaturity DoTA players(and i don't mean all) show.

We both come from the opposite end of the 'rainbow' as you put it. Simply put, stop saying my arguments are stale, because yours is too. What's keeping me replying here is the fact that i keep getting people replying and refuting my replies. Sure, reply if you want, just don't do it in such a way that i HAVE to click the reply button.

You know what? Why don't we just stop arguing right here, right now. I'm tired of replying to all these claims so please, can we just give it a rest?



*Sigh* I have always KNOWN that others will not have the same tastes as me. Main reason why i hate DoTA is because people WON'T EVEN TRY something else even when presented with the chance. It's always DoTA, DoTA, DoTA. Anything other than DoTA is crap, DoTA ROX, your games suck cock etc etc etc.

P/S - I'm not knocking on DoTA even though Battlefield OR CoD doesn't even make it into WGT OR CGS OR WCG OR ACG.

well said

I'm gonna argue againts DOTA because i think it sucks. See easy arguement.

Actually i think there are far more deserving games out there.

And really, why the heck are those cat eating koreans still infatuated with starcraft? I VOTE FOR HL2 DM. THE PURITY OF DEATHMATCH FOR ALL!

I do believe people play DotA is because of 'just because our friends are playing as well'.Thats just human nature.People dont want to feel left out in their circle of friends,even if they dont really enjoy.I have friends who are like that.Play because of their friends are playing even of they hate playing games.I dont do that and rather be a lone gunner in other games than playing that repitative boring map.

The main reason i hate DotA is because most players(i prefer to call them dotards) are immature.They always love to scream as if they lost their limbs when they lose or beat up someone because they are a noob.That make me even sick when they dont teach noobs how to play and being so selfish while playing.

Thats just another reason i hate them.These people just dont want to try anything new,especially real RTS.

DotA will never be balanced.Blizzard took years to balance Starcraft and it only have 3 race.DotA has so many heroes and hero combination.Whats more,balancing is not an easy task,especially a game with lots of unique sides. I doubt that Ice Frog can balance it.

Im not blaming the game,it's the community thats makes me hate this game.

So it would seem people have already stereotyped dota players as ppl who ' play because their friends play ' and 'people who are immature and unwilling to try new games'
GJGJ
I mean like , all your examples do not happen in other games . Every CS , FIFA , Wc3 player out there is adventurous and the epitome of maturity .
People will do noob bashing , regardless of game or nationality , if you think foreigners dont do it , or people from other games don't do it , think again .
As for unwilling to try new games . Have u seen the amount of ppl who still play CS / FIFA / SC ? Pretty sure they are much older than Dota . Does that mean they have not tried new games ? No , because they might have tried and not liked it , hence going back to their original game . What makes Dota the exception ?
I don't see the point of bringing your hate of the game into a thread where the point was to show support to DOTA's induction into the WCG . The thread wasn't Dota > * or replace X with DotA at WCG 2008 . Seems like some ppl have issues . . .

This post has been edited by Heemee: Nov 29 2007, 08:13 PM

So TeckPeow finally replied eh..Im neutral regarding whether DOTA is included in WCG.But one thing,my frend keep on telling me that DOTA 'is' included in WCG during the WCG 2006 and they were shocked as why it wasnt included this year.

And I really hate people that scold noobs during DOTA.I dont think it'll happen in WCG though..Imagine mjb,ccb all coming out..

So TeckPeow got wat WCG products to sell??

Simple. Becoz SC2 not release yet.

Yup, it's the same arguments all over again from both parties.

Anyway, nobody answered my question yet? Did you guys get any reply from ICM about your mailz?