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No more 'quota system' for state-owned universities, says Sarawak minister

SIBU: Admission into five state-owned universities in Sarawak will be based solely on meritocracy to pick the best of the best, says state Deputy Minister of Education, Innovation and Talent Development Datuk Dr Annuar Rapaee.

"Students need to know that enrolment for these universities is no longer based on a quota system. In other words, it's based on meritocracy," said Dr Annuar at the Sarawak Career and Training Fair (SCaT) 2024 on Saturday (Nov 2)

He said that with a system of meritocracy, students have to compete for places.

"Students must realise the importance of competition in order to pursue their studies in university," he added.

The five universities are Swinburne University of Technology Sarawak Campus, Curtin University Malaysia, University of Technology Sarawak, i-CATS University College, and Centre for Technology Excellence Sarawak (Centexs).

According to Dr Annuar, for Sarawak to advance towards becoming a developed state, meritocracy is the "only way to train talents and pick the best of the best among our students."

To ensure rural students can gain admission to these universities, he said the Sarawak government is upgrading their facilities, which includes spending RM15mil yearly to provide free tuition for Form 3 and Form 5 students.

Dr Annuar was representing minister Datuk Seri Roland Sagah Wee Inn at the function.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...arawak-minister
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Aren’t those private uni? laugh.gif . Start with UMS then we talk
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This will largely benefited their city folks. And if those unis accept admission from outside Sarawak, even less Sarawakian can be admitted 😬
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Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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Meanwhile Perlis is busy with Loh's children conversion issue
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At first I wanna say baca boleh, percaya jangan

Thn I saw the word sarawak
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:56 AM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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But meritocracy maa. Tree people can stay in trees or get in IPTA.

Even their state doesn’t like them.
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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Nov 2 2024, 02:55 PM)
Aren’t those private uni? laugh.gif . Start with UMS then we talk
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Sarawak would be UNIMAS
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Nov 2 2024, 02:59 PM)
At first I wanna say baca boleh, percaya jangan

Thn I saw the word sarawak
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Why Sarawak untrustworthy?

QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 02:59 PM)
But meritocracy maa. Tree people can stay in trees or get in IPTA.

Even their state doesn’t like them.
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Good thing is talents will get university education.
But to blame tree people for living in tree then when they get subsidy, then you dont complaint bcos rich kids already got subsidized uni edu.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:04 AM)
Why Sarawak untrustworthy?
Good thing is talents will get university education.
But to blame tree people for living in tree then when they get subsidy, then you dont complaint bcos rich kids already got subsidized uni edu.
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Problem is there are talents among tree people but they might not necessarily get the right early education. Conversely, there are dumbfuck rich kids with lots of supports from early age. Which one will win meritocracy?

Now here’s the kicker: those dumbfuck rich kids will even get free tertiary education! Lulz

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/...arawakians-2026
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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This is what advanced nations are doing. If we slow down the kids that did well just because want to wait for slower kids, then our country will be doom. Other countries will catch up and we all remain poor. End up export university graduate to do unskilled work like what happened to Pakistani and Bangladesh.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:09 PM)
Problem is there are talents among tree people but they might not necessarily get the right early education. Conversely, there are dumbfuck rich kids with lots of supports from early age. Which one will win meritocracy?

Now here’s the kicker: those dumbfuck rich kids will even get free tertiary education! Lulz

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/...arawakians-2026
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if rich kid is dumb then the scores will show as low, so how 'those dumbfuck rick kids will even get free tertiary education" ?
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wow, i will go nekkid if this done the same in peninsular
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QUOTE(toughguy @ Nov 2 2024, 03:12 PM)
This is what advanced nations are doing. If we slow down the kids that did well just because want to wait for slower kids, then our country will be doom. Other countries will catch up and we all remain poor. End up export university graduate to do unskilled work like what happened to Pakistani and Bangladesh.
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I did not say to slow down talented kids, as you can verify in my 2nd comment.
My comment raise the thought of how about slow kids ?
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Nons can plan n rely on S’wak univietsities
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 2 2024, 03:13 PM)
wow, i will go nekkid if this done the same in peninsular
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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Nov 2 2024, 02:55 PM)
Aren’t those private uni? laugh.gif . Start with UMS then we talk
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You really shoulda stopped after the first 4 words.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:12 AM)
if rich kid is dumb then the scores will show as low, so how 'those dumbfuck rick kids will even get free tertiary education" ?
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You’ll be surprised how many dumbfucks are in the unis, because their academic achievements do not show as such. Rote learning at its best.

But yeah, my point is these rich kids with various supports will get free tertiary education as well as disadvantaged poor tree people. Meritocracy ftw!
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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True, this is what PMX said that a lot of people dont get it. T1 to T20 all cheapskate want their children to enroll into UM USM UKM by paying ciput, even use cable for scholarship. 100% free.

Those sarawak listed universities, no quotas also nvm


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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:19 PM)
You’ll be surprised how many dumbfucks are in the unis, because their academic achievements do not show as such. Rote learning at its best.

But yeah, my point is these rich kids with various supports will get free tertiary education as well as disadvantaged poor tree people. Meritocracy ftw!
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Acknowledge what you have said and experience.
Now he announce a reform into meritocracy system for Sarawak.
You don't agree with existing system but you don't support reform either?
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better do it 1st before malays there become the majority in sarawak and become like malaya
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 02:59 PM)
But meritocracy maa. Tree people can stay in trees or get in IPTA.

Even their state doesn’t like them.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:09 PM)
Problem is there are talents among tree people but they might not necessarily get the right early education. Conversely, there are dumbfuck rich kids with lots of supports from early age. Which one will win meritocracy?

Now here’s the kicker: those dumbfuck rich kids will even get free tertiary education! Lulz

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/...arawakians-2026
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Money being songlap while the people remains poor after 60 years of tongkat + mismanagement by incompetent leaders, so let's continue with that til the country collapse n rot. Meanwhile SG practices meritocracy n prosper to become one of the richest DEVELOPED country.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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If they can't do well in school, what can they achieve in university?

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QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Nov 2 2024, 03:19 PM)
True, this is what PMX said that a lot of people dont get it. T1 to T20 all cheapskate want their children to enroll into UM USM UKM by paying ciput, even use cable for scholarship. 100% free.

Those sarawak listed universities, no quotas also nvm
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Meritocracy has its benefit, to retain talents based on merits, which I support.
But if gov't is not inclusive to provide edu for slow learners then wealthgap will widen.

Hopefully Sarawak will live up to this promise of reform and not let slow learners drop out, maybe slow could be introduced into TVET.

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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
This will largely benefited their city folks. And if those unis accept admission from outside Sarawak, even less Sarawakian can be admitted 😬
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To ensure rural students can gain admission to these universities, he said the Sarawak government is upgrading their facilities, which includes spending RM15mil yearly to provide free tuition for Form 3 and Form 5 students.

lulz... kasi tution only then expect these disadvantaged studens to compete with the well to do urban kids who well feed.

bagus lah ini serawak gomen. banyak bagus

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 2 2024, 03:25 PM)
Money being songlap while the people remains poor after 60 years of tongkat + mismanagement by incompetent leaders, so let's continue with that til the country collapse n rot. Meanwhile SG practices meritocracy n prosper to become one of the richest DEVELOPED country.
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U see early education in SG. Now compare it with Sarawak or even Malaysia.
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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 2 2024, 03:25 PM)
Money being songlap while the people remains poor after 60 years of tongkat + mismanagement by incompetent leaders, so let's continue with that til the country collapse n rot. Meanwhile SG practices meritocracy n prosper to become one of the richest DEVELOPED country.
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songlap is corruption which must be addressed.
meritocracy has its benefits, which I support, see "Congrats"
I raise the query, what about slow learners, bcos they will be left out in meritocrary.

QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 03:26 PM)
If they can't do well in school, what can they achieve in university?
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TVET in tertiary education?
Pls do more reading, don't everything also ask me. I critic capitalism to raise awareness. In a democracy, you also have a voice. Hope you will have an educated voice.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:09 PM)
Problem is there are talents among tree people but they might not necessarily get the right early education. Conversely, there are dumbfuck rich kids with lots of supports from early age. Which one will win meritocracy?

Now here’s the kicker: those dumbfuck rich kids will even get free tertiary education! Lulz

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/...arawakians-2026
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If "dumbfuck rich kid" gets 7A1s, then is he still dumb?

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:23 AM)
Acknowledge what you have said and experience.
Now he announce a reform into meritocracy system for Sarawak.
You don't agree with existing system but you don't support reform either?
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Here’s the thing: the meritocracy part is good. But it has to focus on equity rather than equality.

Rafizi said something about this a while back. He said it’s not fair to compare his child studying in one of the best public schools in Putrajaya with a poor child in rural area.

Sarawak govt has to acknowledge that the rich-poor gap in the state is quite large. To have a perfectly level playing field is impossible, but working towards equity will mean giving a bit of leeway towards disadvantaged poor students.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:30 PM)
songlap is corruption which must be addressed.
meritocracy has its benefits, which I support, see "Congrats"
I raise the query, what about slow learners, bcos they will be left out in meritocrary.
TVET in tertiary education?
Pls do more reading, don't everything also ask me. I critic capitalism to raise awareness. In a democracy, you also have a voice. Hope you will have an educated voice.
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Then that is a separate matter. These are universities, no?

If you want to say that there should be more vocational institutions for those who don't make the cut, then I agree with you.

But let's not mix up 2 different matters just for the sake of arguing online.
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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 2 2024, 08:25 AM)
Money being songlap while the people remains poor after 60 years of tongkat + mismanagement by incompetent leaders, so let's continue with that til the country collapse n rot. Meanwhile SG practices meritocracy n prosper to become one of the richest DEVELOPED country.
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SG got Lubok Antu?
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Can set up vocational or skill learning for those who fail to enter unis. They are still needed in any developed society.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:32 PM)
Here’s the thing: the meritocracy part is good. But it has to focus on equity rather than equality.

Rafizi said something about this a while back. He said it’s not fair to compare his child studying in one of the best public schools in Putrajaya with a poor child in rural area.

Sarawak govt has to acknowledge that the rich-poor gap in the state is quite large. To have a perfectly level playing field is impossible, but working towards equity will mean giving a bit of leeway towards disadvantaged poor students.
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What kind of leeway and how much?

To blanket say all rural kids cannot succeed academically is also wrong.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:30 AM)
If "dumbfuck rich kid" gets 7A1s, then is he still dumb?
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You’d be surprised how many people get 7A1s and more and still dumb as rock. Tuitionssss and soalan bocor help a lot
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:30 PM)
I raise the query, what about slow learners, bcos they will be left out in meritocrary.
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forcing 'slow learners' into uni and let them grad with degrees even when we know they are sub par only destroy the qualification's credibility. they are doing this exact same practise somewhere and whenever we saw resume from that uni, we just toss it into the bin

u wan that?
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QUOTE(vassilius @ Nov 2 2024, 02:54 PM)
Only S&S can do this.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:36 AM)
What kind of leeway and how much?

To blanket say all rural kids cannot succeed academically is also wrong.
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What kind of leeway and how much are questions the Sarawak govt has to answer.

I didn’t say all rural kids cannot succeed. They face significantly more challenges and have to put huge effort and commitment to be at the same footing as urban rich kids.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:32 PM)
Here’s the thing: the meritocracy part is good. But it has to focus on equity rather than equality.

Rafizi said something about this a while back. He said it’s not fair to compare his child studying in one of the best public schools in Putrajaya with a poor child in rural area.

Sarawak govt has to acknowledge that the rich-poor gap in the state is quite large. To have a perfectly level playing field is impossible, but working towards equity will mean giving a bit of leeway towards disadvantaged poor students.
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Agree.

QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 03:32 PM)
Then that is a separate matter. These are universities, no?

If you want to say that there should be more vocational institutions for those who don't make the cut, then I agree with you.

But let's not mix up 2 different matters just for the sake of arguing online.
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Yes on vocational.

The 2 matters are in the same ecosystem, including 3R. It is necessary to include economic model bcos edu will take a generation to see effect, and democratic gov't only has 4 years, and in the event that edu model was unsuccessful, then new set of problems arise. So capitalism economic model is where T1 or T15 profits from B85. 67 year majority did not talk about economy, today even god can help us as we see B40 turn into B85.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:37 PM)
You’d be surprised how many people get 7A1s and more and still dumb as rock. Tuitionssss and soalan bocor help a lot
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Are those the exceptions or are those the norm?

You want to cherry pick those rare anecdotal stories, then how also we can argue till the cows come home.

Then how else to objectively benchmark who is smart or dumb, and whether they deserve a place in university?
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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Nov 2 2024, 03:37 PM)
forcing 'slow learners' into uni and let them grad with degrees even when we know they are sub par only destroy the qualification's credibility. they are doing this exact same practise somewhere and whenever we saw resume from that uni, we just toss it into the bin

u wan that?
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if we know they are slow learners, why force them into STEM university, instead of TVET stream?
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:39 PM)
Agree.
Yes on vocational.

The 2 matters are in the same ecosystem, including 3R. It is necessary to include economic model bcos edu will take a generation to see effect, and democratic gov't only has 4 years, and in the event that edu model was unsuccessful, then new set of problems arise. So capitalism economic model is where T1 or T15 profits from B85. 67 year majority did not talk about economy, today even god can help us as we see B40 turn into B85.
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Yes, but the article talks about admission to the 5 state owned universities. It doesn't talk about TVET alternatives, so I cannot assume that nothing is being done on that as well.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:41 PM)
if we know they are slow learners, why force them into STEM university, instead of TVET stream?
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the point is, do not put unqualified ppl into uni. that will only destroy the credibility of your education

create other streams of learning channels that will benefit them

not everyone need to have a degree to contribute to society

and don't pretend all is dandy and fine when it's not. that's what i'm saying
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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Nov 2 2024, 02:55 PM)
Aren’t those private uni? laugh.gif . Start with UMS then we talk
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PRIVATE STATE OWN universities. Meaning they are not university under the Federal government jurisdiction.

Sarawak government does not have authority over federal government institution of learning.

Remember the state had to beg for federal government to improve dilapidated schools that look that they will collapse anytime? Got money also cannot do anything!
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:40 AM)
Are those the exceptions or are those the norm?

You want to cherry pick those rare anecdotal stories, then how also we can argue till the cows come home.

Then how else to objectively benchmark who is smart or dumb, and whether they deserve a place in university?
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Let me rephrase it this way.

Which one is smarter and more deserving of a place in uni: a rich kid studying in aircond all day with tuitions on weekends or a poor kid in rural area who has to walk many miles to school in jungle, crossing river, studying in a semi-collapsed wooden school? Both got 7A1s.

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:45 PM)
Let me rephrase it this way.

Which one is smarter and more deserving of a place in uni: a rich kid studying in aircond all day with tuitions on weekends or a poor kid in rural area who has to walk many miles to school in jungle, crossing river, studying in a semi-collapsed wooden school? Both got 7A1s.
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What if the rich kid scores 3As, the poor kid scores 7A1s but the poor kid cannot enter u but the rich kid can, because of quota system?
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Nov 2 2024, 08:48 AM)
What if the rich kid scores 3As, the poor kid scores 7A1s but the poor kid cannot enter u but the rich kid can,  because of quota system?
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I didn’t even get into that yet😅 but yeah, correct also.

The other side of the equation is also true. Is the poor kid who had to face those challenges and got 3A less deserving to get into uni than the rich kids with all the advantages who got 7A1?

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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 03:41 PM)
Yes, but the article talks about admission to the 5 state owned universities. It doesn't talk about TVET alternatives, so I cannot assume that nothing is being done on that as well.
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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Nov 2 2024, 03:42 PM)
the point is, do not put unqualified ppl into uni. that will only destroy the credibility of your education

create other streams of learning channels that will benefit them

not everyone need to have a degree to contribute to society

and don't pretend all is dandy and fine when it's not. that's what i'm saying
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I did not say you are wrong, merely I explained another perpective. Good that you have such view. But why did you not tell this to your adun?
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:49 PM)
I didn’t even get into that yet😅 but yeah, correct also.
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You have your point, but you are assuming only bumi students are poor and require quota to give them a leg up. Many non bumis are also too poor to enrol in private tertiary institutions if they can't enrol in public u.

Ask yourself: with quota in place, how many rural bumis still miss out on tertiary education? Using your reasoning (quota helps rural poor bumi), we should expect many rural poor bumi to be studying in university, kan? Is this the reality, especially among bumi orang Asli?
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No more 'quota system' for state-owned universities, says Sarawak minister

SIBU: Admission into five state-owned universities in Sarawak will be based solely on meritocracy to pick the best of the best, says state Deputy Minister of Education, Innovation and Talent Development Datuk Dr Annuar Rapaee.

"Students need to know that enrolment for these universities is no longer based on a quota system. In other words, it's based on meritocracy," said Dr Annuar at the Sarawak Career and Training Fair (SCaT) 2024 on Saturday (Nov 2)

He said that with a system of meritocracy, students have to compete for places.

"Students must realise the importance of competition in order to pursue their studies in university," he added.

The five universities are Swinburne University of Technology Sarawak Campus, Curtin University Malaysia, University of Technology Sarawak, i-CATS University College, and Centre for Technology Excellence Sarawak (Centexs).

According to Dr Annuar, for Sarawak to advance towards becoming a developed state, meritocracy is the "only way to train talents and pick the best of the best among our students."

To ensure rural students can gain admission to these universities, he said the Sarawak government is upgrading their facilities, which includes spending RM15mil yearly to provide free tuition for Form 3 and Form 5 students.

Dr Annuar was representing minister Datuk Seri Roland Sagah Wee Inn at the function.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...arawak-minister
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Nov 2 2024, 03:55 PM)
You have your point, but you are assuming only bumi students are poor and require quota to give them a leg up. Many non bumis are also too poor to enrol in private tertiary institutions if they can't enrol in public u.

Ask yourself: with quota in place, how many rural bumis still miss out on tertiary education? Using your reasoning (quota helps rural poor bumi), we should expect many rural poor bumi to be studying in university, kan? Is this the reality, especially among bumi orang Asli?
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Then wouldn't it be fine if the quota was based on family income instead of race?
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Then wouldn't it be fine if the quota was based on family income instead of race?
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That's where scholarships and educational grants come in. You want to set a minimum standard for entry.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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All this while the quota based in Malaysia's public uni was good wink.gif
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
This will largely benefited their city folks. And if those unis accept admission from outside Sarawak, even less Sarawakian can be admitted 😬
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Yup, no quota? hmm.gif
In reality only Sarawakian can be admitted, no?

Unless they are like Singapore offering the best of best from ASEAN!
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Problem is there are talents among tree people but they might not necessarily get the right early education. Conversely, there are dumbfuck rich kids with lots of supports from early age. Which one will win meritocracy?

Now here’s the kicker: those dumbfuck rich kids will even get free tertiary education! Lulz


https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/...arawakians-2026
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:19 PM)
You’ll be surprised how many dumbfucks are in the unis, because their academic achievements do not show as such. Rote learning at its best.

But yeah, my point is these rich kids with various supports will get free tertiary education as well as disadvantaged poor tree people. Meritocracy ftw!
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Education, regardless meritocracy or not, should be made available to everyone.

It's a basic human rights. If they are really not achieving, what makes you think that they are eligible for university?

It states FREE EDUCATION FOR ALL, they did not say FREE EDUCATION COMPULSORY ENROLLMENT FOR ALL, there's a difference.


QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:26 PM)
Meritocracy has its benefit, to retain talents based on merits, which I support.
But if gov't is not inclusive to provide edu for slow learners then wealthgap will widen.

Hopefully Sarawak will live up to this promise of reform and not let slow learners drop out, maybe slow could be introduced into TVET.
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Provide education for slow learners is entirely okay, if the achievers are prioritized as per the meritocracy. If after priority still got space, why not?


QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:32 PM)
Here’s the thing: the meritocracy part is good. But it has to focus on equity rather than equality.

Rafizi said something about this a while back. He said it’s not fair to compare his child studying in one of the best public schools in Putrajaya with a poor child in rural area.

Sarawak govt has to acknowledge that the rich-poor gap in the state is quite large. To have a perfectly level playing field is impossible, but working towards equity will mean giving a bit of leeway towards disadvantaged poor students.
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Your opinion, heavily plagued with assumptions. Seems that education too, has failed you.

I too, can assume that you are just another keyboard warrior that have so much opinion on what others do, but does not contribute significantly towards your own local community.

Also while at it I might also add, enjoying aircond and does not know the hardships of walking through jungle and crossing river just to get education and then - get labelled by some forumer as "tree people" or even "dumb fuck".

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It's going to be even more quota now. Why?

Non nons get high GPA through their kanak2 level matrix exam

Everyone else gets GPA from stpm

Non nons won't level the playing field for you

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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erm to be fair, rich get taxed more, poor got bantuan with less tax.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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Actually there's still Uitm for those orang asli or iban or bidayuh.
Where meritocracy can parking tepi.
Janji you're bumi.
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QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 2 2024, 04:25 PM)
Actually there's still Uitm for those orang asli or iban or bidayuh.
Where meritocracy can parking tepi.
Janji you're bumi.
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let just say bumi are not equal

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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It's not about tuition. It's the upbringing whether they want to study or how the parents encourage / push them. Do you know many kids go tuition results are just like crap? Parents sometimes send to tuition to be like a daycare centre. Dont use old excuse to justify race base entry. If really want to help the poor, then provide them the tools to excel. Not feed them.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 2 2024, 04:30 PM)
let just say bumi are not equal

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Ya i get what u mean. 1st and 2nd class bumi.
But still, there's still uitm for them if they fail to masuk the five so called state uni by meritocracy.

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:45 PM)
Let me rephrase it this way.

Which one is smarter and more deserving of a place in uni: a rich kid studying in aircond all day with tuitions on weekends or a poor kid in rural area who has to walk many miles to school in jungle, crossing river, studying in a semi-collapsed wooden school? Both got 7A1s.
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Based on meritocracy, both equally deserve a spot. You cannot punish the urban kid for being born in that family, and vice versa.

That's meritocracy.
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Democracy gives citizen the power to vote and voice, so I hope you dont let new drag you by the nose, instead voice out good ideas. Cheers!
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Like I said, don't lari tajuk la... what has the ori article have to do with democracy la, power to vote and voice la, etc.

Stick to the topic so everyone can debate our opinions objectively.
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QUOTE(vassilius @ Nov 2 2024, 02:54 PM)
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Nov 2 2024, 08:55 AM)
You have your point, but you are assuming only bumi students are poor and require quota to give them a leg up. Many non bumis are also too poor to enrol in private tertiary institutions if they can't enrol in public u.

Ask yourself: with quota in place, how many rural bumis still miss out on tertiary education? Using your reasoning (quota helps rural poor bumi), we should expect many rural poor bumi to be studying in university, kan? Is this the reality, especially among bumi orang Asli?
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Hence I mentioned earlier about equity vs equality.

I didn’t say anything about bumi or non. How’d you came up with that? Are you that tertindas until you conjure up stuff in your own mind?
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QUOTE(sadukarzz @ Nov 2 2024, 09:10 AM)
At least they don't use degrading terms like "tree-people" like yourself, give you unlimited education also no use.
Education, regardless meritocracy or not, should be made available to everyone.

It's a basic human rights. If they are really not achieving, what makes you think that they are eligible for university?

It states FREE EDUCATION FOR ALL, they did not say FREE EDUCATION COMPULSORY ENROLLMENT FOR ALL, there's a difference.
Provide education for slow learners is entirely okay, if the achievers are prioritized as per the meritocracy. If after priority still got space, why not?
Your opinion, heavily plagued with assumptions. Seems that education too, has failed you.

I too, can assume that you are just another keyboard warrior that have so much opinion on what others do, but does not contribute significantly towards your own local community.

Also while at it I might also add, enjoying aircond and does not know the hardships of walking through jungle and crossing river just to get education and then - get labelled by some forumer as "tree people" or even "dumb fuck".
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Seriously, you wrote that long without any substance? Impressive.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 09:33 AM)
Based on meritocracy, both equally deserve a spot. You cannot punish the urban kid for being born in that family, and vice versa.

That's meritocracy.
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You do know student intake in university is not unlimited?

Hence I said which one is more deserving. Because these kids are not equal even when their results are.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 06:10 PM)
Seriously, you wrote that long without any substance? Impressive.
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Thank you for proving my point.

Assumptions.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 06:12 PM)
You do know student intake in university is not unlimited?

Hence I said which one is more deserving. Because these kids are not equal even when their results are.
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Meritocracy is exactly what it means.

If both score exactly the same, then will examine co-curricular achievements, sporting contributions.

Again, you've never been in the giving end of education.

Hence, assumption and talk cucks here only.
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QUOTE(pokemon @ Nov 2 2024, 02:47 PM)
No more 'quota system' for state-owned universities, says Sarawak minister

SIBU: Admission into five state-owned universities in Sarawak will be based solely on meritocracy to pick the best of the best, says state Deputy Minister of Education, Innovation and Talent Development Datuk Dr Annuar Rapaee.

"Students need to know that enrolment for these universities is no longer based on a quota system. In other words, it's based on meritocracy," said Dr Annuar at the Sarawak Career and Training Fair (SCaT) 2024 on Saturday (Nov 2)

He said that with a system of meritocracy, students have to compete for places.

"Students must realise the importance of competition in order to pursue their studies in university," he added.

The five universities are Swinburne University of Technology Sarawak Campus, Curtin University Malaysia, University of Technology Sarawak, i-CATS University College, and Centre for Technology Excellence Sarawak (Centexs).

According to Dr Annuar, for Sarawak to advance towards becoming a developed state, meritocracy is the "only way to train talents and pick the best of the best among our students."

To ensure rural students can gain admission to these universities, he said the Sarawak government is upgrading their facilities, which includes spending RM15mil yearly to provide free tuition for Form 3 and Form 5 students.

Dr Annuar was representing minister Datuk Seri Roland Sagah Wee Inn at the function.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...arawak-minister
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QUOTE(iSean @ Nov 2 2024, 06:16 PM)
Abang what you tokkok.
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QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 2 2024, 06:18 PM)
It's owned by the sarawak state goverment.
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yes. state-owned also. it is private.
they still charge students full-unsubsidized tuition fees, unless like he said give out scholarship by meritocracy
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Sounds great.

But the fees are like IPTA or not?
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When does it start? 2050?
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Meritocracy, he said.

But sure got daddy kasi, kroni kasi at the back, amirite?
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Public unis dah stop race-based quota in 2007. Please get up to date with the programme.
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QUOTE(iSean @ Nov 2 2024, 06:16 PM)
Abang what you tokkok.
Not private uni kah?  shocking.gif
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QUOTE(billylks @ Nov 2 2024, 06:30 PM)
Sounds great.

But the fees are like IPTA or not?
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It's expensive but starting 2026 will be free for Stem courses thats why they plan this. Imagine you decide select people to go into these uni n state government paying the fee. It will trigger shit storm. Also those not so good but rich pipuls will be at disvantaged.
Those from B40 are taken care off with the Sarawak government international secondary schools on Cambridge syllabus. Mostly boarding school students. They have small numbers of M n T students as well.
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QUOTE(Chowda @ Nov 2 2024, 06:36 PM)
All of them back by gomen one don't ya know?
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It's not "backed by. It's "owned by" state government.
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QUOTE(treblecase @ Nov 2 2024, 06:30 PM)
When does it start? 2050?
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 06:12 PM)
You do know student intake in university is not unlimited?

Hence I said which one is more deserving. Because these kids are not equal even when their results are.
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So you would punish the person because he was born in an urban family?
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QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 2 2024, 04:25 PM)
Actually there's still Uitm for those orang asli or iban or bidayuh.
Where meritocracy can parking tepi.
Janji you're bumi.
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You think Sarawak bumi will go mara uni if they can get into curtin or swinburne with internationally recognized programs n for free??
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 2 2024, 06:46 PM)
You think Sarawak bumi will go mara uni if they can get into curtin or swinburne with internationally recognized programs n for free??
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Read the person i reply to.
He's saying that orang asli at disadvantage because of meritocracy bla bla and bla.
Hence my reply. At the very least they still have uitm.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 06:43 PM)
So you would punish the person because he was born in an urban family?
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To be fair being in the rural area does not give one the license to slack off. He or she just need to do twice as hard with th 30% of the resources of the urban peers. my brothers n sisters had to walk hours to the SJK. Secondary school was closer to home. That was in the 70s. No road yet that time when I started school got road not public bus. Was able to pay 20cent for bus ride to school. Okay only ada je org completed Ph.D!

Today still no tuition centre's like in urban areas. The only tuitions are give by the school teachers in after schilool time n happening in school classrooms. They do this to help the students n the school to achieve better results.
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QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 2 2024, 06:52 PM)
Read the person i reply to.
He's saying that orang asli at disadvantage because of meritocracy bla bla and bla.
Hence my reply. At the very least they still have uitm.
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QUOTE(damonlbs @ Nov 2 2024, 03:24 PM)
better do it 1st before malays there become the majority in sarawak and become like malaya
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:41 PM)
if we know they are slow learners, why force them into STEM university, instead of TVET stream?
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The reason being the state gomen downs not want to be cursed by these students. Study study for free n graduated cannot find job. Stem, finance, Management are the priorities. The state needs these talents to fill up vacancies in the future
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:04 PM)
Why Sarawak untrustworthy?
Good thing is talents will get university education.
But to blame tree people for living in tree then when they get subsidy, then you dont complaint bcos rich kids already got subsidized uni edu.
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Starting next year no more subsidies liao..for kids of income bracket t15 kah apa tu..

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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i born in a poor family.
i excel all the way in school and after uni...


My parent not that poor.
but they dont manage money well...

in uni time, i still have to skip meal to manage my finance....



Poor is a choice.
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Annuar and anwar, but they're very different. One bring u forward, one bring u backward like middle east stagnant for 1500 years
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Nov 2 2024, 07:15 PM)
i born in a poor family.
i excel all the way in school and after uni...
My parent not that poor.
but they dont manage money well...

in uni time, i still have to skip meal to manage my finance....
Poor is a choice.
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Your parents income when they have u was below RM 500?
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 2 2024, 04:02 PM)
wow wow wow i cant believe i am reading this.  biggrin.gif
All this while the quota based in Malaysia's public uni was good wink.gif
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When I stated, Congrats! means that Congrats to Sarawak leading the way to meritocracy.
With meritocracy, what would become of slow learner - that is the new concern.

Quota based did have some benefits, and today 2024, we see the benefit is limited. As in MY still in middle income, B40 -> B85, budaya rasuah, as you know. That's why PMX have to reform out corruption from system and Sarawak's shift to meritocracy should be celebrated and think-through. Otherwise slow learners will gravitate towards 3R.

QUOTE(sadukarzz @ Nov 2 2024, 04:10 PM)
Provide education for slow learners is entirely okay, if the achievers are prioritized as per the meritocracy. If after priority still got space, why not?
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Agree to some extend, and that extend is "still got space"
All young people should be allowed to take on tertiary education.
If slow learner not good in STEM then intro them to TVET.
When you stated "still got space" means that you treat them as an 'after-thought' like leftovers. This should not be the case.

QUOTE(abc2005 @ Nov 2 2024, 04:18 PM)
erm to be fair, rich get taxed more, poor got bantuan with less tax.
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Yes, rich get taxed more.
Poor get taxed less bcos they cannot afford to spend more.
Poor get more tongkat than rich.
Rich also get tongkat, like drive high power cars get petrol subsidy, and kids get admited to public uni bcos cronyism.

Capitalism is a system that benefits the rich.
Capitalism is proven to increase wealth gap, and creates poverty, thats why gov't must intervene.
Eg. USA introduce unemployment benefits, retirement savings fund, to make up against capitalism.
When countries do not look after their poor then risk collapsing like middle east.
PRC learnt this and address poverty, using PRC's version of capitalism with a Chinese touch.

QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 2 2024, 04:25 PM)
Actually there's still Uitm for those orang asli or iban or bidayuh.
Where meritocracy can parking tepi.
Janji you're bumi.
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As a result we see Malays got more benefit from the past policies and UITM while the Org Asli still need more help.
Also if Org Asli from Sarawak would to be shipped from East to Peninsular and incur higher cost of living.... why not accomodate them in Sarawak, which has achieved high income state in MY.
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QUOTE(kopiride @ Nov 2 2024, 04:32 PM)
It's not about tuition. It's the upbringing whether they want to study or how the parents encourage / push them. Do you know many kids go tuition results are just like crap? Parents sometimes send to tuition to be like a daycare centre. Dont use old excuse to justify race base entry. If really want to help the poor, then provide them the tools to excel. Not feed them.
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Yes, parents is crucial. Yet if parents push kids, without professional help (tuition). The kids compared to those tuitioned ones.... who will be left out in meritocracy. When they are left behind, do you think they will join PAS or DAP?

Tertiary education is a tool, but you see it as feeding, why?

QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 04:36 PM)
Like I said, don't lari tajuk la... what has the ori article have to do with democracy la, power to vote and voice la, etc.

Stick to the topic so everyone can debate our opinions objectively.
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Article is about a new system, which is impossible without political will, democracy and grass root support. So I am in topic, but you are stuck in a 3R mentality. 67 years later, we see today B40 become B85, bcos you are arguing and not looking at the bigger picture and facts.
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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 07:08 PM)
Starting next year no more subsidies liao..for kids of income bracket t15 kah apa tu..
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Kindly elaborate as your comment is not easy to understand.

QUOTE(ifourtos @ Nov 2 2024, 07:15 PM)
i born in a poor family.
i excel all the way in school and after uni...
My parent not that poor.
but they dont manage money well...

in uni time, i still have to skip meal to manage my finance....
Poor is a choice.
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Congratulations, you made it good in life!
Yes poor is a choice, but that is not the only factor in play.

USA has over a century of capitalism shows that capitalism creates poverty.
PRC has about 3 decades since their low, and manage to address poverty.
Capitalism is an economic model that is unstable and increases wealth gap.
That's why gov't created minimum wage laws, EPF, SocSo, maternity leave, etc.
Ask any CEO, they rather pay peanuts bcos low cost maximize profits.
Hence, gov't must intervene. For this to happen, democracy, people must speak up.

You achieve success yet B40 has expanded to 85% requiring subsidy.
Some people are undeserving, eg. rasuah budaya, malu apa, tuai tribe.
Yet as a gov't should we cut of their children?
If we leave them to the wolves of capitalism, they will turn to racing 3R.

You know how difficult it is to struggle financially.
Today's poor have harder life than generations ago.
Today people need smartphone, online payment, AI, laptop.
If you don't help them, they will just end up with more baby dumping.

Meritocracy will foster talents, but slow learners will fall behind.
Why should slow learners be an after thought?
Why cant STEM failture be intro to TVET?
Why cant we progress as an inclusive nation? ...especially for those who choose to learn, and not to be poor.

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 2 2024, 07:02 PM)
The reason being the state gomen downs not want to be cursed by these students. Study study for free n graduated cannot find job. Stem, finance, Management are the priorities. The state needs these talents to fill up vacancies in the future
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Agree, yet we have evidence that capitalism cannot sustain top paying professions.
MY has how many PhD, doctors protesting for jobs, engineers complaint about pay.
Even SG have pivot some segments of students to TVET.

As per my earlier statement, if grads cannot do well in STEM, why not intro them to TVET.
Vocationally trained is faster to grad, can get job be it electrician, plumber, cheft, etc.
In SG, these jobs pay well.

Alternatively, would you like them to fall into religoius grads, become moral police like in Iran causing Mahsa Amini to die.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:48 PM)
Kindly elaborate as your comment is not easy to understand.
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tongue.gif ..The government recently made an announcement for 2025 budget, kids/students from T15 family income brackets will have to pay full tuition for public University and boarding school(MRSM type of school I presume).

Acquaintance sudah kena for for his kid (2025 intake) 8 semester total RM44k++ (forgot what course)
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Affirmative action, if done properly should provide some quota or special circumstance for marginalized folks. This is applied even in US. So, removing quotas completely, to me, is be an overreaction.

This should not be confused with the ‘apartheid affirmative action’ we have here, where self declared ‘marginalised’ people have given themselves up to 85% of university seats. Are 85% of a certain group have no access to proper school, no teachers, electricity? In fact those in residential schools are getting better education than most of the students in urban areas, with top teachers and facilities. Still marginalised? A logical quota for marginalised students should be more like 5 to 10 percent. Remaining seats should be based on merit. We are not in 1950s any more.
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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 07:56 PM)
tongue.gif ..The government recently made an announcement for 2025 budget, kids/students from T15 family income brackets will have to pay full tuition for public University and boarding school(MRSM type of school I presume).

Acquaintance sudah kena for for his kid (2025 intake) 8 semester total RM44k++ (forgot what course)
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I see.
44k is a shock. Hopefully T15 by income number is define higher.

I still do not understand. Are you asking for gov't to give T15 tongkat subsidy?

The article as I read is Sarawak is suggesting to reform university intake by merit. Maybe your kid got good scores can apply?
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Swinburne University of Technology Sarawak Campus, Curtin University Malaysia, University of Technology Sarawak, i-CATS University College, and Centre for Technology Excellence Sarawak (Centexs) gonna rank higher than UM soon
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UTS had bragged about alumni employabili in the past.
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janji nampak
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:38 PM)
Article is about a new system, which is impossible without political will, democracy and grass root support. So I am in topic, but you are stuck in a 3R mentality. 67 years later, we see today B40 become B85, bcos you are arguing and not looking at the bigger picture and facts.
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Article is about removing race-based quota from those 5 state universities. Which is a good thing.

The rest you just conveniently drag into the discussion, for what reason nobody knows.
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Yup, no quota? hmm.gif
In reality only Sarawakian can be admitted, no?

Unless they are like Singapore offering the best of best from ASEAN!
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This is already a big step.
These state owned university need to build up reputation before thinking to attract talent from outside
U know NUS and NTU are the best in ASEAN right?
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:19 PM)
Article is about removing race-based quota from those 5 state universities. Which is a good thing.

The rest you just conveniently drag into the discussion, for what reason nobody knows.
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The real question is why sampah private universities (yes they're not even listed in world top universities ranking) also have quotas?

More like sweeping statement. No quota said got quota
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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Or you can just give based on needs


Some of you will do anything to defend racist policies
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:38 PM)
When I stated, Congrats! means that Congrats to Sarawak leading the way to meritocracy.
With meritocracy, what would become of slow learner - that is the new concern.

Quota based did have some benefits, and today 2024, we see the benefit is limited. As in MY still in middle income, B40 -> B85, budaya rasuah, as you know. That's why PMX have to reform out corruption from system and Sarawak's shift to meritocracy should be celebrated and think-through. Otherwise slow learners will gravitate towards 3R.
Agree to some extend, and that extend is "still got space"
All young people should be allowed to take on tertiary education.
If slow learner not good in STEM then intro them to TVET.
When you stated "still got space" means that you treat them as an 'after-thought' like leftovers. This should not be the case.
Yes, rich get taxed more.
Poor get taxed less bcos they cannot afford to spend more.
Poor get more tongkat than rich.
Rich also get tongkat, like drive high power cars get petrol subsidy, and kids get admited to public uni bcos cronyism.

Capitalism is a system that benefits the rich.
Capitalism is proven to increase wealth gap, and creates poverty, thats why gov't must intervene.
Eg. USA introduce unemployment benefits, retirement savings fund, to make up against capitalism.
When countries do not look after their poor then risk collapsing like middle east.
PRC learnt this and address poverty, using PRC's version of capitalism with a Chinese touch.
As a result we see Malays got more benefit from the past policies and UITM while the Org Asli still need more help.
Also if Org Asli from Sarawak would to be shipped from East to Peninsular and incur higher cost of living.... why not accomodate them in Sarawak, which has achieved high income state in MY.
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Bro, have u been to sarawak b4? There's actually uitm here. Not necessary have to go over to malaya.
And when u say orang asli, there's lots of tribes. Nowadays lots of them is doing quite ok, if not well off.
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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 07:56 PM)
tongue.gif ..The government recently made an announcement for 2025 budget, kids/students from T15 family income brackets will have to pay full tuition for public University and boarding school(MRSM type of school I presume).

Acquaintance sudah kena for for his kid (2025 intake) 8 semester total RM44k++ (forgot what course)
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Really? Dun kena cheated ohh....

MRSM interview for 2025 admission is on going. Result expected release by Jan '25

Meanwhile 2025 university intake is cater for 2024 stpm and spm batch. These students yet to take stpm/spm exam.... So have not even apply le. Intake should be around July to Sept '25
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QUOTE(abelyap @ Nov 2 2024, 08:31 PM)
This is already a big step.
These state owned university need to build up reputation before thinking to attract talent from outside
U know NUS and NTU are the best in ASEAN right?
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Actually one of the best in Asia. If not the best.
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Lol what a joke.. private universities.. if really can't go in, either results are too bad or got no money to pay.. Better don't study la..
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:00 PM)
I see.
44k is a shock. Hopefully T15 by income number is define higher.

I still do not understand. Are you asking for gov't to give T15 tongkat subsidy?

The article as I read is Sarawak is suggesting to reform university intake by merit. Maybe your kid got good scores can apply?
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My kid still in elementary, lambat kahwin lambat anak..by the time they go uni we'd be in doddering age.
INB4 I don't agree with quota system, it's a stupid and education should be free..oh wai!! Anyhoo, if T15 kids have good grades and they want to attend local Public Uni why not man, they should get same treatment as everyone is my thinking.
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QUOTE(abelyap @ Nov 2 2024, 08:41 PM)
Really? Dun kena cheated ohh....

MRSM interview for 2025 admission is on going. Result expected release by Jan '25

Meanwhile 2025 university intake is cater for 2024 stpm and spm batch. These students yet to take stpm/spm exam.... So have not even apply le. Intake should be around July to Sept '25
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Dunno Liao, I got to know abt it coz he bitch abt it in Facebook..lol, I didn't follow current news but he did mentioned his kid got offer letter stating how much they need to fork up for the whole course- payable by semester. Not bad lah around rm5k++ per semester iiddat but that's not including living expenses for the kid. Some of us T15 just touch that income line by maybe few RM...nak kata mahakaya memang dok lah. cry.gif

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QUOTE(iSean @ Nov 2 2024, 06:19 PM)
yes. state-owned also. it is private.
they still charge students full-unsubsidized tuition fees, unless like he said give out scholarship by meritocracy
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I thought Sarawkian student get 50% discount atm??
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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 11:05 PM)
Dunno Liao, I got to know abt it coz he bitch abt it in Facebook..lol, I didn't follow current news but he did mentioned his kid got offer letter stating how much they need to fork up for the whole course- payable by semester. Not bad lah around rm5k++ per semester iiddat but that's not including living expenses for the kid. Some of us T15 just touch that income line by maybe few RM...nak kata mahakaya memang dok lah. cry.gif
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It is open market..... If somewhere else can provide better offer then go ahead. My guess is it still among the cheapest university

If kid is capable then plenty of scholarship around. No need kao beh kao bu

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 2 2024, 06:36 PM)
Public unis dah stop race-based quota in 2007. Please get up to date with the programme.
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The question is whether we are on merit based, and not whether we are on race-based quota.

If we are on merit based, we won't have to listen about full As students complaining cannot get a place in IPTA every year.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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Quotas based on income > quotas based on race
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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kata equality ... only the best student (academic + Active) get the seat la regardless of races.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 2 2024, 06:36 PM)
Public unis dah stop race-based quota in 2007. Please get up to date with the programme.
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QUOTE(billylks @ Nov 3 2024, 02:42 AM)
The question is whether we are on merit based, and not whether we are on race-based quota.

If we are on merit based, we won't have to listen about full As students complaining cannot get a place in IPTA every year.
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We are merit based. But we are also limited in places.

You can do the maths:

20 public universities, 100 places each, but 4000 candidates with 3.80 and above.

Half of those wouldn't get their first choice. And by the time they get to their 2nd choice, it'll already be filled by 1st choicers. Then 3rd, and 4th and so on.
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 2 2024, 08:08 PM)
abam pikichu panggil indian kukubird gagak. ayam sad
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you said black first, not me. now you pretend to be ayam.

QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:19 PM)
Article is about removing race-based quota from those 5 state universities. Which is a good thing.

The rest you just conveniently drag into the discussion, for what reason nobody knows.
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yet so many agree with me.

QUOTE(focusrite @ Nov 2 2024, 08:33 PM)
Or you can just give based on needs
Some of you will do anything to defend racist policies
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yes you can provide based on needs but the announcement is a reform into meritocracy, which would leave out slow learners.
my first line is congrats in the decision to switch to meritocracy, so where did you read my statement that I support racist policy?

QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 2 2024, 08:34 PM)
Bro, have u been to sarawak b4? There's actually uitm here. Not necessary have to go over to malaya.
And when u say orang asli, there's lots of tribes. Nowadays lots of them is doing quite ok, if not well off.
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but will Malays admit Org Asli? bcos the last GE 49% of vote by party went to PAS.
why are you discriminating them by tribe, are you racist?
they are doing okay then its good that Sarawak lead the way to reforms.

QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 10:55 PM)
My kid still in elementary, lambat kahwin lambat anak..by the time they go uni we'd be in doddering age.
INB4 I don't agree with quota system, it's a stupid and education should be free..oh wai!! Anyhoo, if T15 kids have good grades and they want to attend local Public Uni why not man, they should get same treatment as everyone is my thinking.
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Congrats you got kid.
My first comment congrats is the announcement to roll out meritocracy, then I question will slow learners be left out.
MY edu is stupid evident by B40 continue to vote by race and religion after 67 years, rich became madey kids and poor blame DAP. So merit based is 1 step towards reform. Yes if T15 kids got good grades, I would welcome them into public uni.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 3 2024, 10:36 AM)
you said black first, not me. now you pretend to be ayam.
yet so many agree with me.
yes you can provide based on needs but the announcement is a reform into meritocracy, which would leave out slow learners.
my first line is congrats in the decision to switch to meritocracy, so where did you read my statement that I support racist policy?
but will Malays admit Org Asli? bcos the last GE 49% of vote by party went to PAS.
why are you discriminating them by tribe, are you racist?
they are doing okay then its good that Sarawak lead the way to reforms.
Congrats you got kid.
My first comment congrats is the announcement to roll out meritocracy, then I question will slow learners be left out.
MY edu is stupid evident by B40 continue to vote by race and religion after 67 years, rich became madey kids and poor blame DAP. So merit based is 1 step towards reform. Yes if T15 kids got good grades, I would welcome them into public uni.
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Quotas based on income > quotas based on race
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Yes but a single deciding factor is insufficient.

QUOTE(Irzani @ Nov 3 2024, 06:03 AM)
kata equality ... only the best student (academic + Active) get the seat la regardless of races.
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That's what Sarawak is announced and I said Congrats to reform to meritrocracy.
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so you are implying gagak is white la ke, wei ? dont la cakap berbelit belit lol
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you identify your bebird as black so the common black bird is crow.
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you identify your bebird as black so the common black bird is crow.
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so u wanna say but dont dont dare to admit la tu. lol
pikichu is yellow, gagak is hitam

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so u wanna say but dont dont dare to admit la tu. lol
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i warn you to refrain from showing disgusting bebird.
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We are merit based. But we are also limited in places.

You can do the maths:

20 public universities, 100 places each, but 4000 candidates with 3.80 and above.

Half of those wouldn't get their first choice. And by the time they get to their 2nd choice, it'll already be filled by 1st choicers. Then 3rd, and 4th and so on.
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Sounds good, but don't hold water

If there is any full As students complaining cannot get a place, and if it is merit based, those less performing students should be kick out and find another places. Surely you don't assume the last place in any course also got all full As?

It is not merit based if the best students cannot get places.
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Yes, parents is crucial. Yet if parents push kids, without professional help (tuition). The kids compared to those tuitioned ones.... who will be left out in meritocracy. When they are left behind, do you think they will join PAS or DAP?

Tertiary education is a tool, but you see it as feeding, why?
Article is about a new system, which is impossible without political will, democracy and grass root support. So I am in topic, but you are stuck in a 3R mentality. 67 years later, we see today B40 become B85, bcos you are arguing and not looking at the bigger picture and facts.
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U keep giving excuses over excuses. Education is a tool. Yes. But like a said, it's a tool if only the person wants to study. That is why I said, provide the poor with the tools, books to study and I am sure if they want to study they will succeed. Don't give excuses that without tuition they can't succeed. Merits based will push the parents and kids to study. This is something u won't be able to understand. Similarly, if u give fish, they will never learn to catch themselves
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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We are happy to remain in 3rd world tongkat mentality. And blame everyone else when we do not make it and keep requesting for more tongkats.

Meanwhile in 15 to 20 years, Sarawak will have the most elite and progressive workforce powering their state forward.

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U keep giving excuses over excuses. Education is a tool. Yes. But like a said, it's a tool if only the person wants to study. That is why I said, provide the poor with the tools, books to study and I am sure if they want to study they will succeed. Don't give excuses that without tuition they can't succeed. Merits based will push the parents and kids to study. This is something u won't be able to understand. Similarly, if u give fish, they will never learn to catch themselves
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You cannot address my comments means my comments are facts, not excuses.
They study can succeed but merit-based + limited university seats means they will likely be left behind compared against tuitioned grads.
Also the fact there are slow learners, where meritocracy will not include them, hence a need for inclusive policy, eg. slow in STEM then intro TVET.

Another fact is capitalism increase wealth gap, more people have to do 2 jobs to survive today compared to the past. So even if kids may want to study but parents cannot afford, so they will drop out in meritocracy. In 67 years, today is evident that capitalism > democracy, hence gov't intervention is necessary. In fact I recomment to tax the T1 to help the B40.

QUOTE(ceras @ Nov 3 2024, 12:08 PM)
We are happy to remain in 3rd world tongkat mentality. And blame everyone else when we do not make it and keep requesting for more tongkats.
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Congrats is a praise to Sarawak reform into meritocracy.

The parents maybe bad apples but should you stereotype parents into children?
Does the crime of the parents be punished on the children?

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QUOTE(billylks @ Nov 3 2024, 11:33 AM)
Sounds good, but don't hold water

If there is any full As students complaining cannot get a place, and if it is merit based, those less performing students should be kick out and find another places. Surely you don't assume the last place in any course also got all full As?

It is not merit based if the best students cannot get places.
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Do the math. Take all matters into consideration, like popularity of the programme applied, number of applicants, applicant choices, performance and all that.

Remember, CHOICE is a major factor here. If 10,000 4.00 applicants apply for medicine (with 2,000 available places nationwide), do you remove all other applicants in dentistry, pharmacy, medical technology etc to prioritize the 4.00 medical applicants? Or should you offer them unpopular courses like forestry?
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A big slap to the entitled racists who keep crying the tongket

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 3 2024, 12:19 PM)
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Remember, CHOICE is a major factor here. If 10,000 4.00 applicants apply for medicine (with 2,000 available places nationwide), do you remove all other applicants in dentistry, pharmacy, medical technology etc to prioritize the 4.00 medical applicants? Or should you offer them unpopular courses like forestry?
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I don't get you. Why do you want to remove students from dentistry, pharmacy etc when what people want is medicine? I say kick out students from medicine who is not better than full As, that is merit based.

Brilliant students full As wants to do dentistry? Kick out less brilliant students from dentistry.

Give priority to brilliant students. How difficult can it be? Give rewards for their willing to be the tops.

So far your mentioning about merit based by our IPTA? Singapore got most our brilliant students. It is just stupid that a neighbouring get our talents.
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Let me rephrase it this way.

Which one is smarter and more deserving of a place in uni: a rich kid studying in aircond all day with tuitions on weekends or a poor kid in rural area who has to walk many miles to school in jungle, crossing river, studying in a semi-collapsed wooden school? Both got 7A1s.
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yet so many agree with me.
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Itulah ... /k punya dendam .. sampai kiamat keep rasa teraniaya
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It is 2001. The joker dunno the history

Also trying to equalize stpm difficulties to matriculation to protect maruah instead of man enough to acknowledge it is a backdoor like Mahathir did.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 3 2024, 06:49 AM)
We are merit based. But we are also limited in places.

You can do the maths:

20 public universities, 100 places each, but 4000 candidates with 3.80 and above.

Half of those wouldn't get their first choice. And by the time they get to their 2nd choice, it'll already be filled by 1st choicers. Then 3rd, and 4th and so on.
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Merit with manipulation of race based pre U matriculation backdoor program.

If the meritrocracy system is really working, how come plenty of unemployment / underemployed type m graduate. It is open market in real world

Reality is harsh..... But it is what it is
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Confirm 1st reason given is need mandarin speaker. Tongkat mentality is embedded in most

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huh?? before this, private uni also got quota system???
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my 2 cents is, we need to do what is good for the country in the long run.

the fact is, the country is lagging behind every year compared to our neighbours

we use to be top 1 or 2, then drop to top 5, now we are mid to bottom

clearly the current policies have failed us


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Sarawak negeri Yang tercontoh....all work outside, will eventually back to the state and get higher paid for the state commitments, and build the state strength.

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Merit with manipulation of race based pre U matriculation backdoor program.

If the meritrocracy system is really working, how come plenty of unemployment / underemployed type m graduate. It is open market in real world

Reality is harsh..... But it is what it is
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You're confusing intake merit vs employability.
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You're confusing intake merit vs employability.
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Topkek.... Employability have been part of university performance measurement. Either the university performance worsening, else garbage in garbage out.....

Ur choice

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huh?? before this, private uni also got quota system???
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State gov just bought/ in the process of taking over those few private u. The objective is to make them more affordable without quota.
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QUOTE(abelyap @ Nov 4 2024, 08:38 AM)
Topkek.... Employability have been part of university performance measurement. Either the university performance worsening, else garbage in garbage out.....

Ur choice

Pusing jangan tak pusing.
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I didn't deny it is part of the performance measurement. But you are directly relating intake merits and employability. It does not directly correlate, so stop being an idiot.
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I didn't deny it is part of the performance measurement. But you are directly relating intake merits and employability. It does not directly correlate, so stop being an idiot.
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Duh, use logic instead of rhetoric
Be more convincing instead name calling.... It is childish u know
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State gov just bought/ in the process of taking over those few private u. The objective is to make them more affordable without quota.
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cukurlah, next time non from semenanjung can send there will affordable price, as long as result is good.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 3 2024, 06:49 AM)
We are merit based. But we are also limited in places.

You can do the maths:

20 public universities, 100 places each, but 4000 candidates with 3.80 and above.

Half of those wouldn't get their first choice. And by the time they get to their 2nd choice, it'll already be filled by 1st choicers. Then 3rd, and 4th and so on.
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https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/07/...y-says-pm-anwar


The prime minister itself is claiming there is a quota and not merit based, and now you're saying that it is merit based.

Who is telling the truth now?


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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 4 2024, 10:41 AM)
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/07/...y-says-pm-anwar
The prime minister itself is claiming there is a quota and not merit based, and now you're saying that it is merit based.

Who is telling the truth now?
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He was talking about MATRIKULASI.

Please read the full article.
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Public unis dah stop race-based quota in 2007. Please get up to date with the programme.
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Not really.

If you define Public Unis are how the government describe it, then yes.

If you define Public Unis as universities funded by public money, then no. There is a separate track that has been conveniently excluded in all government statistics whenever the term Public Unis are used - Mara and the UiTMs.
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Only S&S can do this.
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Meanwhile Perlis is busy with Loh's children conversion issue
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Forget about state in East Malaysia. S&S parliament seats qty will dominate total politic one day. And like it or not, PAS need to follow.
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yeah all those kids that have to go to school by boat or rafts will definitely loose out here

sohai rich kids from kuching..or gangster sohai sons from sibu will get that place instead...fark all those long houses people..topkek
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yeah all those kids that have to go to school by boat or rafts will definitely loose out here

sohai rich kids from kuching..or gangster sohai sons from sibu will get that place instead...fark all those long houses people..topkek
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Then build more / increase intake until anyone who wants to enroll, can enroll.
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I did not say to slow down talented kids, as you can verify in my 2nd comment.
My comment raise the thought of how about slow kids ?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 11:28 AM)
He was talking about MATRIKULASI.

Please read the full article.
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I did , in fact the title itself refers to public universities.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/07/...y-says-pm-anwar


Quota system in public universities to stay, says PM Anwar



The quota system for Bumiputera students should be retained to maintain the racial balance in local public institutions of higher learning.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said any effort to do away with the system would lead towards imbalance of Malay students' enrolment into certain programmes in the universities.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 11:28 AM)
He was talking about MATRIKULASI.

Please read the full article.
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https://360info.org/can-malaysias-public-un...-racial-quotas/

How bout this one , also talking about public universities.

I find it surprising that you claim there is no racial quota in university, when every news outlet and everyone in public knows this is happening.


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You’ll be surprised how many dumbfucks are in the unis, because their academic achievements do not show as such. Rote learning at its best.

But yeah, my point is these rich kids with various supports will get free tertiary education as well as disadvantaged poor tree people. Meritocracy ftw!
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 4 2024, 12:54 PM)
I did , in fact the title itself refers to public universities.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/07/...y-says-pm-anwar


Quota system in public universities to stay, says PM Anwar

The quota system for Bumiputera students should be retained to maintain the racial balance in local public institutions of higher learning.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said any effort to do away with the system would lead towards imbalance of Malay students' enrolment into certain programmes in the universities.
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Seriously, go find all other sources. He was talking in context of MATRIKULASI. Matrikulasi is Pra-universiti. Although some matriculations are conducted on university campus, they are not under the purview of the IPTAs.

Matrikulasi have a racial quota of 90:10.

IPTAs do not have a racial quota since 2002/20023. I challenge you to find facts that says so.

Here's my proof, Item 3.

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https://www.mohe.gov.my/hebahan/kenyataan-m...demik-2020-2021


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user posted image

Seriously, go find all other sources. He was talking in context of MATRIKULASI. Matrikulasi is Pra-universiti. Although some matriculations are conducted on university campus, they are not under the purview of the IPTAs.

Matrikulasi have a racial quota of 90:10.

IPTAs do not have a racial quota since 2002/20023. I challenge you to find facts that says so.

Here's my proof, Item 3.

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https://www.mohe.gov.my/hebahan/kenyataan-m...demik-2020-2021
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So if the racial quota is shifted to pre-U isn't that the same thing?

To get into pre-U you need matrikulasi or STPM, to change the quota to race based, you make certain race entrance easier through matrikulasi and make certain race harder to get in through STPM.
In fact you can manipulate race based quota in university by just adjusting difficulty of matrikulasi vs STPM.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 4 2024, 01:35 PM)
So if the racial quota is shifted to pre-U isn't that the same thing?

To get into pre-U you need matrikulasi or STPM, to change the quota to race based, you make certain race entrance easier through matrikulasi and make certain race harder to get in through STPM.
In fact you can manipulate race based quota in university by just adjusting difficulty of matrikulasi vs STPM.
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U are aware we take in from all sorts of qualifications, right?

STPM, matriculation, asasi/foundation, A-levels, IB, AUSMAT, various diplomas etc?

There are many courses in IPTAs nowadays that have more bumi dan non-bumi!

Come up, keep up with the current news!
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 01:44 PM)
U are aware we take in from all sorts of qualifications, right?

STPM, matriculation, asasi/foundation, A-levels, IB, AUSMAT, various diplomas etc?

There are many courses in IPTAs nowadays that have more bumi dan non-bumi!

Come up, keep up with the current news!
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The statement doesn't support that the university is based on merit. As I mentioned, entrance through matrikulasi can be manipulated, which in turn allows certain race to get in easier.

If you make certain pre-U easier and only allow certain race to take that pre-u so that their entrance to university is easier, that is already not merit based .
I can't understand why you think public university is merit based when :-

- PM itself admitted it is not.
- The public do not think it is.
- Higher education minister admitted it is not.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...s-khaled-nordin






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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 4 2024, 01:56 PM)
The statement doesn't support that the university is based on merit. As I mentioned, entrance through matrikulasi can be manipulated, which in turn allows certain race to get in easier.

If you make certain pre-U easier and only allow certain race to take that pre-u so that their entrance to university is easier, that is already not merit based .
I can't understand why you think public university is merit based when :-

- PM itself admitted it is not.
- The public do not think it is.
- Higher education minister admitted it is not.
  https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...s-khaled-nordin
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Seriously, you should really read the articles you've been quoting. Khaled Nordin mentions "not solely based on ACADEMIC merit".

Keyword = ACADEMIC.

What other merits are there?

Well I'm glad you asked! There are curricular activities, work experience, prior learning etc.

You see how you've been taking news piecemeal without understanding the whole picture? This is not hard. You don't need an IPTA degree to see this.
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If that helps you sleep at night, then sure, I also agree with you.
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QUOTE(spursfan @ Nov 4 2024, 11:55 AM)
dah slow, masuk uitm je la.
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Public unis dah stop race-based quota in 2007. Please get up to date with the programme.
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Afaik it is always <15%.

Non-bumis make up 13.5% of public uni enrolment
By RAHIMY RAHIM, GERARD GIMINO and ARFA YUNUS
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KUALA LUMPUR: The enrolment of non-bumiputra students in public universities stood at 13.5% last year, says Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Khaled Nordin.

Data from the Public University Data Collection System showed the total number of local students in public universities was 551,082 as of last year, he said in the Dewan Rakyat on Monday (Oct 23).

"Out of the total, the breakdown of enrolment for bumiputra students stood at 86.5%, which is 476,796 students, compared to 13.5% non-bumiputra students, or 74,286 students," he said in reply to Datuk Willie Mongin (GPS-Puncak Borneo).

Mongin had asked the ministry to reveal the total public university enrolment and breakdown of local students by bumiputra and non-bumiputra as well as religion.

He also wanted to know the courses students picked.

Mohamed Khaled said 94.7% (451,579 students) of bumiputra students in public universities are Muslims while 5.3% are non-Muslims.

"Of the non-bumiputra students, 92.1% (68,403) are non-Muslims while 7.9% are Muslims.

"The three top fields chosen by local students... are social sciences and business law as the (most popular) choice; engineering, manufacturing and construction as the second (most popular); and science, mathematics and computer science, third," said Khaled.

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...wan-rakyat-told
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Afaik it is always <15%.

Non-bumis make up 13.5% of public uni enrolment
By RAHIMY RAHIM, GERARD GIMINO and ARFA YUNUS
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Monday, 23 Oct 2023
10:27 AM MYT

KUALA LUMPUR: The enrolment of non-bumiputra students in public universities stood at 13.5% last year, says Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Khaled Nordin.

Data from the Public University Data Collection System showed the total number of local students in public universities was 551,082 as of last year, he said in the Dewan Rakyat on Monday (Oct 23).

"Out of the total, the breakdown of enrolment for bumiputra students stood at 86.5%, which is 476,796 students, compared to 13.5% non-bumiputra students, or 74,286 students," he said in reply to Datuk Willie Mongin (GPS-Puncak Borneo).

Mongin had asked the ministry to reveal the total public university enrolment and breakdown of local students by bumiputra and non-bumiputra as well as religion.

He also wanted to know the courses students picked.

Mohamed Khaled said 94.7% (451,579 students) of bumiputra students in public universities are Muslims while 5.3% are non-Muslims.

"Of the non-bumiputra students, 92.1% (68,403) are non-Muslims while 7.9% are Muslims.

"The three top fields chosen by local students... are social sciences and business law as the (most popular) choice; engineering, manufacturing and construction as the second (most popular); and science, mathematics and computer science, third," said Khaled.

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...wan-rakyat-told
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86.5% for bumiputra local public unis enrolment?
Then it is more than bumi in % population already.

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 4 2024, 02:54 PM)
Afaik it is always <15%.

Non-bumis make up 13.5% of public uni enrolment
By RAHIMY RAHIM, GERARD GIMINO and ARFA YUNUS
Nation
Monday, 23 Oct 2023
10:27 AM MYT

KUALA LUMPUR: The enrolment of non-bumiputra students in public universities stood at 13.5% last year, says Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Khaled Nordin.

Data from the Public University Data Collection System showed the total number of local students in public universities was 551,082 as of last year, he said in the Dewan Rakyat on Monday (Oct 23).

"Out of the total, the breakdown of enrolment for bumiputra students stood at 86.5%, which is 476,796 students, compared to 13.5% non-bumiputra students, or 74,286 students," he said in reply to Datuk Willie Mongin (GPS-Puncak Borneo).

Mongin had asked the ministry to reveal the total public university enrolment and breakdown of local students by bumiputra and non-bumiputra as well as religion.

He also wanted to know the courses students picked.

Mohamed Khaled said 94.7% (451,579 students) of bumiputra students in public universities are Muslims while 5.3% are non-Muslims.

"Of the non-bumiputra students, 92.1% (68,403) are non-Muslims while 7.9% are Muslims.

"The three top fields chosen by local students... are social sciences and business law as the (most popular) choice; engineering, manufacturing and construction as the second (most popular); and science, mathematics and computer science, third," said Khaled.

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...wan-rakyat-told
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It does not confirm the existence of a race-based quota at public universities for degree level. Why?

Because politeknik, kolej komuniti and UITM are all categorized as IPTA.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 02:20 PM)
Seriously, you should really read the articles you've been quoting. Khaled Nordin mentions "not solely based on ACADEMIC merit".

Keyword = ACADEMIC.

What other merits are there?

Well I'm glad you asked! There are curricular activities, work experience, prior learning etc.

You see how you've been taking news piecemeal without understanding the whole picture? This is not hard. You don't need an IPTA degree to see this.
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Again you're not addressing the statement below. EVERYONE knows it is way easier in matriculation and if there is race quota to be in matriculation and therefore no longer about merit.
I repeat if you make it easier for a certain race to get in, it is no longer merit.

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The statement doesn't support that the university is based on merit. As I mentioned, entrance through matrikulasi can be manipulated, which in turn allows certain race to get in easier.

If you make certain pre-U easier and only allow certain race to take that pre-u so that their entrance to university is easier, that is already not merit based .




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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 4 2024, 03:18 PM)
Again you're not addressing the statement below. EVERYONE knows it is way easier in matriculation and if there is race quota to be in matriculation and therefore no longer about merit.
I repeat if you make it easier for a certain race to get in, it is no longer merit.
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Because I've been part of the team in handling the intake for UTM for over 10 years, I can tell you for sure that we do not make it easier for certain races to get in. It's not about race.

And we don't make it easier for matriculation either. Nope.

Because this would not explain why certain courses like medicine or engineering will occasionally have more non-bumis.
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Because I've been part of the team in handling the intake for UTM for over 10 years, I can tell you for sure that we do not make it easier for certain races to get in. It's not about race.

And we don't make it easier for matriculation either. Nope.

Because this would not explain why certain courses like medicine or engineering will occasionally have more non-bumis.
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Then how do you "derate" matriculation results vs matriculation results if you claim you don't make it easier for matriculation. Is a 4.0 matriculation equivalent to a say 3.6 STPM or vice versa?


 

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