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KineticKill
post Nov 2 2024, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:56 AM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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But meritocracy maa. Tree people can stay in trees or get in IPTA.

Even their state doesn’t like them.
KineticKill
post Nov 2 2024, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:04 AM)
Why Sarawak untrustworthy?
Good thing is talents will get university education.
But to blame tree people for living in tree then when they get subsidy, then you dont complaint bcos rich kids already got subsidized uni edu.
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Problem is there are talents among tree people but they might not necessarily get the right early education. Conversely, there are dumbfuck rich kids with lots of supports from early age. Which one will win meritocracy?

Now here’s the kicker: those dumbfuck rich kids will even get free tertiary education! Lulz

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/...arawakians-2026
KineticKill
post Nov 2 2024, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:12 AM)
if rich kid is dumb then the scores will show as low, so how 'those dumbfuck rick kids will even get free tertiary education" ?
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You’ll be surprised how many dumbfucks are in the unis, because their academic achievements do not show as such. Rote learning at its best.

But yeah, my point is these rich kids with various supports will get free tertiary education as well as disadvantaged poor tree people. Meritocracy ftw!
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post Nov 2 2024, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:23 AM)
Acknowledge what you have said and experience.
Now he announce a reform into meritocracy system for Sarawak.
You don't agree with existing system but you don't support reform either?
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Here’s the thing: the meritocracy part is good. But it has to focus on equity rather than equality.

Rafizi said something about this a while back. He said it’s not fair to compare his child studying in one of the best public schools in Putrajaya with a poor child in rural area.

Sarawak govt has to acknowledge that the rich-poor gap in the state is quite large. To have a perfectly level playing field is impossible, but working towards equity will mean giving a bit of leeway towards disadvantaged poor students.
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post Nov 2 2024, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 2 2024, 08:25 AM)
Money being songlap while the people remains poor after 60 years of tongkat + mismanagement by incompetent leaders, so let's continue with that til the country collapse n rot. Meanwhile SG practices meritocracy n prosper to become one of the richest DEVELOPED country.
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SG got Lubok Antu?
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post Nov 2 2024, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:30 AM)
If "dumbfuck rich kid" gets 7A1s, then is he still dumb?
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You’d be surprised how many people get 7A1s and more and still dumb as rock. Tuitionssss and soalan bocor help a lot
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post Nov 2 2024, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:36 AM)
What kind of leeway and how much?

To blanket say all rural kids cannot succeed academically is also wrong.
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What kind of leeway and how much are questions the Sarawak govt has to answer.

I didn’t say all rural kids cannot succeed. They face significantly more challenges and have to put huge effort and commitment to be at the same footing as urban rich kids.
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post Nov 2 2024, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:40 AM)
Are those the exceptions or are those the norm?

You want to cherry pick those rare anecdotal stories, then how also we can argue till the cows come home.

Then how else to objectively benchmark who is smart or dumb, and whether they deserve a place in university?
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Let me rephrase it this way.

Which one is smarter and more deserving of a place in uni: a rich kid studying in aircond all day with tuitions on weekends or a poor kid in rural area who has to walk many miles to school in jungle, crossing river, studying in a semi-collapsed wooden school? Both got 7A1s.

This post has been edited by KineticKill: Nov 2 2024, 03:45 PM
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post Nov 2 2024, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Nov 2 2024, 08:48 AM)
What if the rich kid scores 3As, the poor kid scores 7A1s but the poor kid cannot enter u but the rich kid can,  because of quota system?
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I didn’t even get into that yet😅 but yeah, correct also.

The other side of the equation is also true. Is the poor kid who had to face those challenges and got 3A less deserving to get into uni than the rich kids with all the advantages who got 7A1?

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post Nov 2 2024, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Nov 2 2024, 08:55 AM)
You have your point, but you are assuming only bumi students are poor and require quota to give them a leg up. Many non bumis are also too poor to enrol in private tertiary institutions if they can't enrol in public u.

Ask yourself: with quota in place, how many rural bumis still miss out on tertiary education? Using your reasoning (quota helps rural poor bumi), we should expect many rural poor bumi to be studying in university, kan? Is this the reality, especially among bumi orang Asli?
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Hence I mentioned earlier about equity vs equality.

I didn’t say anything about bumi or non. How’d you came up with that? Are you that tertindas until you conjure up stuff in your own mind?
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post Nov 2 2024, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(sadukarzz @ Nov 2 2024, 09:10 AM)
At least they don't use degrading terms like "tree-people" like yourself, give you unlimited education also no use.
Education, regardless meritocracy or not, should be made available to everyone.

It's a basic human rights. If they are really not achieving, what makes you think that they are eligible for university?

It states FREE EDUCATION FOR ALL, they did not say FREE EDUCATION COMPULSORY ENROLLMENT FOR ALL, there's a difference.
Provide education for slow learners is entirely okay, if the achievers are prioritized as per the meritocracy. If after priority still got space, why not?
Your opinion, heavily plagued with assumptions. Seems that education too, has failed you.

I too, can assume that you are just another keyboard warrior that have so much opinion on what others do, but does not contribute significantly towards your own local community.

Also while at it I might also add, enjoying aircond and does not know the hardships of walking through jungle and crossing river just to get education and then - get labelled by some forumer as "tree people" or even "dumb fuck".
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Seriously, you wrote that long without any substance? Impressive.
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post Nov 2 2024, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 09:33 AM)
Based on meritocracy, both equally deserve a spot. You cannot punish the urban kid for being born in that family, and vice versa.

That's meritocracy.
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You do know student intake in university is not unlimited?

Hence I said which one is more deserving. Because these kids are not equal even when their results are.

 

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