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Drian
post Nov 4 2024, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 3 2024, 06:49 AM)
We are merit based. But we are also limited in places.

You can do the maths:

20 public universities, 100 places each, but 4000 candidates with 3.80 and above.

Half of those wouldn't get their first choice. And by the time they get to their 2nd choice, it'll already be filled by 1st choicers. Then 3rd, and 4th and so on.
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https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/07/...y-says-pm-anwar


The prime minister itself is claiming there is a quota and not merit based, and now you're saying that it is merit based.

Who is telling the truth now?
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post Nov 4 2024, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 11:28 AM)
He was talking about MATRIKULASI.

Please read the full article.
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I did , in fact the title itself refers to public universities.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/07/...y-says-pm-anwar


Quota system in public universities to stay, says PM Anwar


The quota system for Bumiputera students should be retained to maintain the racial balance in local public institutions of higher learning.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said any effort to do away with the system would lead towards imbalance of Malay students' enrolment into certain programmes in the universities.
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post Nov 4 2024, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 11:28 AM)
He was talking about MATRIKULASI.

Please read the full article.
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https://360info.org/can-malaysias-public-un...-racial-quotas/

How bout this one , also talking about public universities.

I find it surprising that you claim there is no racial quota in university, when every news outlet and everyone in public knows this is happening.


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post Nov 4 2024, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 01:23 PM)
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Seriously, go find all other sources. He was talking in context of MATRIKULASI. Matrikulasi is Pra-universiti. Although some matriculations are conducted on university campus, they are not under the purview of the IPTAs.

Matrikulasi have a racial quota of 90:10.

IPTAs do not have a racial quota since 2002/20023. I challenge you to find facts that says so.

Here's my proof, Item 3.

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https://www.mohe.gov.my/hebahan/kenyataan-m...demik-2020-2021
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So if the racial quota is shifted to pre-U isn't that the same thing?

To get into pre-U you need matrikulasi or STPM, to change the quota to race based, you make certain race entrance easier through matrikulasi and make certain race harder to get in through STPM.
In fact you can manipulate race based quota in university by just adjusting difficulty of matrikulasi vs STPM.
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post Nov 4 2024, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 01:44 PM)
U are aware we take in from all sorts of qualifications, right?

STPM, matriculation, asasi/foundation, A-levels, IB, AUSMAT, various diplomas etc?

There are many courses in IPTAs nowadays that have more bumi dan non-bumi!

Come up, keep up with the current news!
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The statement doesn't support that the university is based on merit. As I mentioned, entrance through matrikulasi can be manipulated, which in turn allows certain race to get in easier.

If you make certain pre-U easier and only allow certain race to take that pre-u so that their entrance to university is easier, that is already not merit based .
I can't understand why you think public university is merit based when :-

- PM itself admitted it is not.
- The public do not think it is.
- Higher education minister admitted it is not.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...s-khaled-nordin
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post Nov 4 2024, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 02:20 PM)
Seriously, you should really read the articles you've been quoting. Khaled Nordin mentions "not solely based on ACADEMIC merit".

Keyword = ACADEMIC.

What other merits are there?

Well I'm glad you asked! There are curricular activities, work experience, prior learning etc.

You see how you've been taking news piecemeal without understanding the whole picture? This is not hard. You don't need an IPTA degree to see this.
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Again you're not addressing the statement below. EVERYONE knows it is way easier in matriculation and if there is race quota to be in matriculation and therefore no longer about merit.
I repeat if you make it easier for a certain race to get in, it is no longer merit.

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The statement doesn't support that the university is based on merit. As I mentioned, entrance through matrikulasi can be manipulated, which in turn allows certain race to get in easier.

If you make certain pre-U easier and only allow certain race to take that pre-u so that their entrance to university is easier, that is already not merit based .
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post Nov 4 2024, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 4 2024, 03:32 PM)
Because I've been part of the team in handling the intake for UTM for over 10 years, I can tell you for sure that we do not make it easier for certain races to get in. It's not about race.

And we don't make it easier for matriculation either. Nope.

Because this would not explain why certain courses like medicine or engineering will occasionally have more non-bumis.
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Then how do you "derate" matriculation results vs matriculation results if you claim you don't make it easier for matriculation. Is a 4.0 matriculation equivalent to a say 3.6 STPM or vice versa?
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