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 Incel should be classified as a disability, not myth | proposal of framework

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SUSsomewhataut
post Jul 17 2024, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Le Don @ Jul 17 2024, 11:09 AM)
What do u think incels should do? accept their reality as disabled or try escape from being foreveralone?

Once officially labelled as oku, i think no one wants them as partner anymore

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Read 3.1

I recommended having registered consultants to strategise the best course of action for incels, most likely depending on the result of dating apps elo score and a series of assessment, the consultant determine which stage 1-4 incel, all stages have different treatment plans. The confirmed forever alone stage is stage 4 where they have to resort to palliative care

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post Jul 17 2024, 11:48 AM

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Stop fapping bro, you'll get out.
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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 11:41 AM)
Involuntary celibacy is self-explanatory
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No.
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post Jul 17 2024, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 12:22 AM)
no i genuinely want to change people's opinion toward incels

i myself is likely an incel, i'm approaching 30, never had a girlfriend
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Would. You be here today posting this if you weren't an Incel?
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post Jul 17 2024, 11:51 AM

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Wah TS way of thinking really like those western strawberries.
Good way to dig yourself into depression. You think life is about sex and relationships ?
Reality check for you: in order to get your sex, there is a price to be paid, either by money or with effort and suppressing your pride.
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post Jul 17 2024, 11:54 AM

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Found a picture of TS writing this "le intellectual bs". Intellectual masturbation too stronk with this one bro probably thought he was the second cumming of Albert Einstein.

Incels who want to blame the world for their shortcomings need to take a long hard look at themselves and touch some grass before they level those accusations. Classifying being an incel as a disability is a simple copeout that you've created to justify your self-sabotaging life because "If I'm disabled, why bother fixing my life" to obfuscate all blame and responsibility from yourself.

It's not too late to get out of the black pill but you need to start owning up to responsibilities in your life to improve yourself. Enough of this woe is me mentality.

Bideo sekadar hiasan.




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post Jul 17 2024, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 17 2024, 11:51 AM)
Wah TS way of thinking really like those western strawberries.
Good way to dig yourself into depression. You think life is about sex and relationships ?
Reality check for you: in order to get your sex, there is a price to be paid, either by money or with effort and suppressing your pride.
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It's like hey I can't become kobe bryant

Let me walllow in self pity behind the screen wasting my life away
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post Jul 17 2024, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(jaapers @ Jul 17 2024, 11:46 AM)
Why do you always focus on natural selection?  Genes are just one factor of someone's ability, not all.  For an example, even if we are not gifted in sports, we can still train to become competent in that sport, even if we cannot excel and become a professional. 

What have you done to improve yourself socially?  Another example, many people are not able to do public speaking but with training, they can become very good at it.  Everyone has their own strength and weakness, but things like social interaction is just another skill that can be honed with practice and training.  You probably claim to be at some level of autism spectrum, but cannot be clinically diagnosed, below is what chatgpt says about social skill training and autism
I have glanced through your posts and have not seen any evidence of efforts in trying to improve yourself, just more of blaming everything on your so called autism spectrum.
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Because natural selection is an important concept to explain what I’ve been trying to make sense of and now presenting to you guys

Learning stuff change your brain structure not your genetic code. If dating success relies on learnable skills, there will be no natural selection, because everyone with any gene can just learn whatever to find a mate and reproduce. I think is too good to be true

It is possible for social and charisma to be an outward phenotype from gene. You can have illness that suppress this phenotype, eg social anxiety. How to know whether it is genetic or illness? Through differentiating your responses to trwatment like ssri or cbt which are both very effective of social anxiety. Personally I did not respond to these treatment, dr did administer a questionnaire to measure autistic spectrum, don’t how accurate is this method but result shows I’m borderline autistic, 1 or 2 points below the threshold I think

FYI many kids today have better social skills than some adults, averaged enhancement in virtually all capabilities is observable in younger generation

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post Jul 17 2024, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Jul 17 2024, 11:49 AM)
Would. You be here today posting this if you weren't an Incel?
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No I wouldn’t be aware of it
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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 12:10 PM)
Because natural selection is an important concept to explain  what I’ve been trying to make sense of and now presenting to you guys

Learning stuff change your brain structure not your genetic code. If dating success relies on learnable skills, there will be no natural selection, because everyone with any gene can just learn whatever to find a mate and reproduce. I think is too good to be true

It is possible for social and charisma to be an outward phenotype from gene. You can have illness that suppress this phenotype, eg social anxiety. How to know whether it is genetic or illness? Through differentiating your responses to trwatment like ssri or cbt which are both very effective of social anxiety. Personally I did not respond to these treatment, dr did administer a questionnaire to measure autistic spectrum, don’t how accurate is this method but result shows I’m borderline autistic, 1 or 2 points below the threshold I think

FYI many kids today have better social skills than some adults, averaged enhancement in virtually all capabilities is observable in younger generation
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Ok, confirm you rather just blame everything else instead of trying to improve yourself. No one will pity you here when you just want to play victim, in fact they will despise you more.
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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 12:12 PM)
No I wouldn’t be aware of it
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Exactly. You have the choice to not be an Incel. It's within your control
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post Jul 17 2024, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(grape sunset @ Jul 17 2024, 11:54 AM)
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Found a picture of TS writing this "le intellectual bs". Intellectual masturbation too stronk with this one bro probably thought he was the second cumming of Albert Einstein.

Incels who want to blame the world for their shortcomings need to take a long hard look at themselves and touch some grass before they level those accusations. Classifying being an incel as a disability is a simple copeout that you've created to justify your self-sabotaging life because "If I'm disabled, why bother fixing my life" to obfuscate all blame and responsibility from yourself.

It's not too late to get out of the black pill but you need to start owning up to responsibilities in your life to improve yourself. Enough of this woe is me mentality.

Bideo sekadar hiasan.




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Thank you for the creative insult

This is hardly intellectual, I simply consolidated information in order to make a valid point. Ironically academia is precisely what I’m after, I want more study on this, if can I want to be involved but I’m not from this field, perhaps a relevant institute can work together with me to produce a working paper. I have deep interest in civilisation governance public good

I m not blaming the world, most incels don’t. Yes it’s a demand for resources from society, but it is not an accusation, nobody is saying you cause our misery, except the radicallized ones which is happening in the west. What I’m proposing here can prevent that. By supporting incels the society salvage productivity from the incels by maximising value creation through making things not too hard for incels. It’s not one sided

Regarding your concern of incels avoiding the responsibilities of fixing our lives, it does happen, but doesn’t invalidate the existence of true incel. Which is why in 3.1 I recommended having registered consultant to evaluate them, there will be stage 1-4 similar to cancer, I believe most incels are not stage 4

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post Jul 17 2024, 01:11 PM

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This chatgpt or what ah?
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post Jul 17 2024, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(jaapers @ Jul 17 2024, 12:14 PM)
Ok, confirm you rather just blame everything else instead of trying to improve yourself.  No one will pity you here when you just want to play victim, in fact they will despise you more.
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Focus on the bigger picture, It’s not about me, I want to create a change for the forgotten incels

Many incels are not actual incels, just like you said they claim to be incels to dodge the responsibilities of improving themselves, I already thought this thru, that’s why there is a two step evaluation stage. ELO score is like blood test, consultant evaluation is the physical examination
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post Jul 17 2024, 01:14 PM

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Summary of the Manuscript
Thesis: Incels should be considered as disabled individuals and provided with specific support systems.

Argument:

Incel Existence: The author argues that incels exist due to a natural selection process based on mating success rather than survival. Those unable to find mates are deemed "losers" in this evolutionary process.
Incel as Disabled: The author equates the inability to form romantic relationships with a disability, arguing it causes significant stress and suffering. This is compared to other conditions where medication or therapy is prescribed to manage suffering.
Proposed Solutions: The author suggests a framework for identifying and categorizing incels based on their dating success. Treatment options range from lifestyle modifications to palliative care, including specialized workplaces and potential medication to improve well-being.
Overall, the manuscript proposes a novel perspective on incels, viewing them as individuals with a disability requiring societal support rather than solely as a social problem.

Potential Issues:

Oversimplification of Complex Issues: The manuscript presents a highly simplified view of both evolution and human psychology.
Ethical Concerns: The proposed framework raises ethical questions about labeling individuals and potential discrimination. *Lack of Evidence: The manuscript lacks concrete evidence to support its claims about the evolutionary basis of incels and the effectiveness of proposed solutions.
It is important to critically evaluate these points before further developing the manuscript.
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post Jul 17 2024, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Jul 17 2024, 01:11 PM)
This chatgpt or what ah?
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No fully my own proposal derived from consolidated information

This post has been edited by somewhataut: Jul 17 2024, 01:15 PM
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post Jul 17 2024, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 12:22 AM)
no i genuinely want to change people's opinion toward incels

i myself is likely an incel, i'm approaching 30, never had a girlfriend
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Congrats on reaching wizard level 30
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post Jul 17 2024, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jul 17 2024, 12:04 PM)
It's like hey I can't become kobe bryant

Let me walllow in self pity behind the screen wasting my life away
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If that was true it would have been simple.
Here the fault is later pinned on the parents for giving birth to him, not giving him good genes or wealth. Bringing him to suffer in this world.
And angry at the world for being unfair and angry at women for not appreciating the main character of this story.

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post Jul 17 2024, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 01:13 PM)
Focus on the bigger picture, It’s not about me, I want to create a change for the forgotten incels

Many incels are not actual incels, just like you said they claim to be incels to dodge the responsibilities of improving themselves, I already thought this thru, that’s why there is a two step evaluation stage. ELO score is like blood test, consultant evaluation is the physical examination
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The bigger picture is the same, whether its about you or other incels. Incels can improve themselves to not become an incel. Its just about whether or not they want to make the effort to do it, or to dodge the responsibility of improving themselves. Why should society help those who are not bothered to help themselves?

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 17 2024, 01:24 PM)
If that was true it would have been simple.
Here the fault is later  pinned on the parents for giving birth to him, not giving him good genes or wealth. Bringing him to suffer in this world.
And angry at the world for being unfair and angry at women for not appreciating the main character of this story.
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Elliot Rodger type shit

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