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 Incel should be classified as a disability, not myth | proposal of framework

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jaapers
post Jul 17 2024, 02:35 AM

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TS, i suggest you stop blaming genes and start to look at self improvement. Plenty of online resources that can teach you on how to improve the way you carry yourself, eg. Charisma on command youtube channel.
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post Jul 17 2024, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 07:14 AM)
Do you accept the well documented theory of natural selection? Then could you tell me whether evolution of human genes is accelerating? Without genetic evolution What explain the exponential increase of innovation in art and science, average height, more outgoing children etc etc? If not driven by natural selection, what’s the mechanism driving it? If you do accept the natural selection theory, then it’s a zero sum game, who’s the loser in this game? Nobody?
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Why do you always focus on natural selection? Genes are just one factor of someone's ability, not all. For an example, even if we are not gifted in sports, we can still train to become competent in that sport, even if we cannot excel and become a professional.

What have you done to improve yourself socially? Another example, many people are not able to do public speaking but with training, they can become very good at it. Everyone has their own strength and weakness, but things like social interaction is just another skill that can be honed with practice and training. You probably claim to be at some level of autism spectrum, but cannot be clinically diagnosed, below is what chatgpt says about social skill training and autism
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Yes, autistic people can be trained in social skills. Social skills training (SST) is a common intervention designed to help individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) improve their social interactions and communication. This training can include a variety of methods and techniques, such as:

    Role-Playing: Practicing different social scenarios to help understand and respond appropriately in real-life situations.

    Modeling: Observing and imitating the social behaviors of others.

    Social Stories: Using short stories to describe social situations and appropriate responses.

    Video Modeling: Watching videos of social interactions and discussing the behaviors observed.

    Group Therapy: Participating in group settings to practice social interactions with peers.

    Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): Addressing the thoughts and feelings that can impact social interactions.

    Peer-Mediated Interventions: Involving peers in the training process to provide natural social interaction opportunities.

    Parent and Family Training: Educating family members on how to support the development of social skills at home.

The effectiveness of social skills training can vary based on the individual's unique needs, strengths, and the specific methods used. Consistent practice and reinforcement are crucial for the success of these interventions.
I have glanced through your posts and have not seen any evidence of efforts in trying to improve yourself, just more of blaming everything on your so called autism spectrum.
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post Jul 17 2024, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 12:10 PM)
Because natural selection is an important concept to explain  what I’ve been trying to make sense of and now presenting to you guys

Learning stuff change your brain structure not your genetic code. If dating success relies on learnable skills, there will be no natural selection, because everyone with any gene can just learn whatever to find a mate and reproduce. I think is too good to be true

It is possible for social and charisma to be an outward phenotype from gene. You can have illness that suppress this phenotype, eg social anxiety. How to know whether it is genetic or illness? Through differentiating your responses to trwatment like ssri or cbt which are both very effective of social anxiety. Personally I did not respond to these treatment, dr did administer a questionnaire to measure autistic spectrum, don’t how accurate is this method but result shows I’m borderline autistic, 1 or 2 points below the threshold I think

FYI many kids today have better social skills than some adults, averaged enhancement in virtually all capabilities is observable in younger generation
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Ok, confirm you rather just blame everything else instead of trying to improve yourself. No one will pity you here when you just want to play victim, in fact they will despise you more.
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post Jul 17 2024, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 01:13 PM)
Focus on the bigger picture, It’s not about me, I want to create a change for the forgotten incels

Many incels are not actual incels, just like you said they claim to be incels to dodge the responsibilities of improving themselves, I already thought this thru, that’s why there is a two step evaluation stage. ELO score is like blood test, consultant evaluation is the physical examination
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The bigger picture is the same, whether its about you or other incels. Incels can improve themselves to not become an incel. Its just about whether or not they want to make the effort to do it, or to dodge the responsibility of improving themselves. Why should society help those who are not bothered to help themselves?

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post Jul 17 2024, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 01:37 PM)
You are right, self proclaim incels could result from situational depressive self pitying, meaning that they encountered setbacks then make that conclusion. which is why i propose a two step evaluation mechanism to assess this problem. low elo score and permanent singleness are good symptoms that justify further evaluation from professionals, professionals will then decide whether it is a scenario related to unfitted gene (not fixable and require palliative care) or mental illness (fixable)
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There you go, blaming genes again. good luck.
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post Jul 19 2024, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 18 2024, 06:20 PM)
I believe i work harder than most people, I attended grad school while working abroad, in stem field, my income is t20, 16 hours of my weekday is spent on work and commute, 8 hours on sleep, half of my weekends on studies

Read my chapter 3, I did propose treatment for stage 1-3 incel, treatment details could be anything, I leave it to professionals. What people dispute is the existence of stage 4 incel which is terminal loss of reproductive right, from what I consolidated, they exist because with evolution there is natural selection, thus zero sum game, thus losers of the game
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Can you prove the existence of your "stage 4" incel?
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post Jul 19 2024, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 18 2024, 09:11 PM)

In what way we are blaming others, blaming OUR OWN genes is considered blaming others?
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When people say stop blaming others, it means for you to look at your own actions (or inaction) as the source of your problem. As long as you are not considering your own actions, then you are basically blaming something other than your choices and actions.

Blaming your own genes is not taking responsibility on your own actions. You are basically blaming luck, nature, god, ancestry, biology etc, but never blaming your own inactions. The source of your incel problem is attributed solely to "genes", as if there is a charisma gene that you lack. The problem can never be attributed to you refusing to work on your weakness. You claim to be hardworking, but you never dare to say you have tried any self improvement or gone to the gym.

 

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