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 Incel should be classified as a disability, not myth | proposal of framework

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Le Don
post Jul 18 2024, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 18 2024, 09:03 AM)
how?
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Is in his manuscript:

3.0 Recommendations
3.1 Proposed Admission Framework
Symptoms Development Stage: One must use dating apps and follow advisory board's suggestions to build their profile to get it approved, if the ELO score (google it) falls below certain score, he/she is deemed not fit for dating.

Diagnosis Stage: Unfit persons must engage registered consultants for official diagnosis, and attempt to 'cure' it, in a fashion that mimic cancer stages, for example stage 4 illness = Incel (not curable). If an incel is seen dating someone secretly, it is considered as misdiagnosis or fraud (if alleged incel failed to declare)

Treatment Stage: Stage 1-3 = lifestyle modification etc to make them attractive (measured by changes in elo score). Stage 4 = no cure, goal of treatment is to improve quality of life.

3.2 Proposed palliative care
A) Special Treatment: Enjoy the same privilege with other OKU
B) Dignity assistance: similar to Enabling Academy for autistic professionals, there should be a special workplace designed for incels, doing works that dignifies them without stress
C) Recreation Drugs Prescription: with careful schedule, to release dopamine that will sustain them.
D) many more...to take reference from other categories OKU

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 18 2024, 09:03 AM)
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Arrange marriage. 🤣
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post Jul 18 2024, 09:36 AM

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actually its quite simple.

legalize prostitution. let the incels pay for sex so they are no longer involuntarily celibate.

if the option to pay for sex is available but they refuse to do so, then it is considered as voluntary celibacy. no longer incel, but cel.
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post Jul 18 2024, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jul 18 2024, 09:11 AM)
I never said that

I said life is about trying and not always getting what you deserve or think you deserve. However by trying you will improve. That is better than wallowing in self pity and blaming the world

What data? You havent shared anything substantive other than anecdotal

On pallative care. Have you not taken into account what i also have said? Why assume all "incels" are unable of improving their lot in life and have to jump straight into pallative care? Exercise is an easy no barrier entry approach to getting a natural and well deserved dopamine fix. You literally identified dopamine deficiency as a root cause

You appear to have already formed a conclusion and shoehorning every response to every posts here to get to that conclusion. With word salads and jargon in between
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Deserve? You don’t seem to understand my point, the fact that our gene is unfit suggest the opposite, we don’t deserve relationship. being denied romantic gratification result in the lack of fulfilment and coping mechanism of life stresses, necessitating intervention. We don’t blame the world but we are indeed demanding resources from the beneficiary of dating marketplace. The risk of radicalisation come from having a large group of individual not benefiting from the system, incels in the dating marketplace = B40 in the capitalist market. Let me tell you the truth. It’s neither self pitying nor blaming the world, it’s the logical extension of practical compassion to maintain the civilised world

Data? Read up polygamous tendency and the growing number of single men

I didn’t assume all incels are unable to improve, read 3.1, I recommended a 4-stages diagnosis similar to cancer, I did recommend attempts to cure stage1-3 incelism, but not discounting the existence of incurable stage 4 incel. Incels are free to exercise, just like terminal cancer patients can, however your suggestion is akin to telling terminally illed patients they don’t need palliative care because they could’ve exercised. Dopamine deficiency is not the root cause of incel, it’s the effect of incel’s suffering of life stresses WITHOUT a coping mechanism, the absence of coping mechanism is the differentiation

I did form that conclusion, that’s why I produced this article in the first place, but I’m opened to dispute. The shoehorning you observe is simply a reaction to the ineffective attempts of disputing, sorry to say that the replies I received failed to demonstrate any logical sound argument, some are good attempt but miscalculated

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post Jul 18 2024, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 18 2024, 10:58 AM)
Deserve? You don’t seem to understand my point, the fact that our gene is unfit suggest the opposite, we don’t deserve relationship. being denied romantic gratification result in the lack of fulfilment and coping mechanism of life stresses, necessitating intervention. We don’t blame the world but we are indeed demanding resources from the beneficiary of dating marketplace. The risk of radicalisation come from having a large group of individual not benefiting from the system, incels in the dating marketplace = B40 in the capitalist market. Let me tell you the truth. It’s neither self pitying nor blaming the world, it’s the logical extension of practical compassion to maintain the civilised world

Data? Read up polygamous tendency and the growing number of single men

I didn’t assume all incels are unable to improve, read 3.1, I recommended a 4-stages diagnosis similar to cancer, I did recommend attempts to cure stage1-3 incelism, but not discounting the existence of incurable stage 4 incel. Incels are free to exercise, just like terminal cancer patients can, however your suggestion is akin to telling terminally illed patients they don’t need palliative care because they could’ve exercised. Dopamine deficiency is not the root cause of incel, it’s the effect of incel’s suffering of life stresses WITHOUT a coping mechanism, the absence of coping mechanism is the differentiation

I did form that conclusion, that’s why I produced this article in the first place, but I’m opened to dispute. The shoehorning you observe is simply a reaction to the ineffective attempts of disputing, sorry to say that the replies I received failed to demonstrate any logical sound argument, some are good attempt but miscalculated
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Of course i dont understand your point if you go straight to unfit genes. Unless you have a chromose deficiency most things can be improved. Successive generations of kids are getting taller than their parents. That come from surroundings as much as genes

Again cite your data. You said there is, show them. And dont simply cite something thats remotely related to your premise. Growing number of single men may be as likely MGTOW or vocels compared to incels

Regarding your 4 stage diagnosis , i think we can agree to disagree liao. You just related it to a terminally ill patient.

Last para i think you living in your own world, makes it hard to see other ppls reasoning rather than anything else

This post has been edited by 9m2w: Jul 18 2024, 11:08 AM
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Lagi panjang kau tulis lagi terserlah kebodohan kau. Pergilah merantau carik gf. Tu pun nak kena ajar. Pastu jangan memilih. Kau gemuk, hodoh, miskin takde usaha nak improve diri kau. Kau ingat perempuan hot tu tak berusaha nak jaga badan, jaga diet, beli produk kasi glow up. Diorang letak usaha nak pikat jantina satu lagi. Usaha kau ialah baca benda bodoh justify incel kau.
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Jul 18 2024, 11:29 AM)
Usaha kau ialah baca benda bodoh justify incel kau.
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This ataupun high level troll
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post Jul 18 2024, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jul 18 2024, 12:14 PM)
This ataupun high level troll
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Layan je lah.
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post Jul 18 2024, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jul 18 2024, 11:08 AM)
Of course i dont understand your point if you go straight to unfit genes. Unless you have a chromose deficiency most things can be improved. Successive generations of kids are getting taller than their parents. That come from surroundings as much as genes

Again cite your data. You said there is, show them. And dont simply cite something thats remotely related to your premise. Growing number of single men may be as likely  MGTOW or vocels compared to incels

Regarding your 4 stage diagnosis , i think we can agree to disagree liao. You just related it to a terminally ill patient.

Last para i think you living in your own world, makes it hard to see other ppls reasoning rather than anything else
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the parameters surrounding romance is not fully understood, it’s highly probable to be connected to gene due to it results in reproduction thus evolution thus natural selection

“ Pew Research Center, which found that, “Sixty-one percent of single men were looking for a relationship or dates”

I adopt cancer stages to develop the framework, didn’t equate their suffering



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So more ktard can use OKU card later?
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Jul 18 2024, 11:29 AM)
Lagi panjang kau tulis lagi terserlah kebodohan kau. Pergilah merantau carik gf. Tu pun nak kena ajar. Pastu jangan memilih. Kau gemuk, hodoh, miskin takde usaha nak improve diri kau. Kau ingat perempuan hot tu tak berusaha nak jaga badan, jaga diet, beli produk kasi glow up. Diorang letak usaha nak pikat jantina satu lagi. Usaha kau ialah baca benda bodoh justify incel kau.
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I highly doubt that I’m any less intelligent than you

Your failure to critically assess my article prove that you are either too lazy to read everything I wrote or you are a simpleton with no ability to comprehend the concept
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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 18 2024, 12:29 PM)
I highly doubt that I’m any less intelligent than you

Your failure to critically assess my article prove that you are either too lazy to read everything I wrote or you are a simpleton with no ability to comprehend the concept
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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 18 2024, 12:26 PM)
the parameters surrounding romance is not fully understood, it’s highly probable to be connected to gene due to it results in reproduction thus evolution thus natural selection

“ Pew Research Center, which found that, “Sixty-one percent of single men were looking for a relationship or dates”

I adopt cancer stages to develop the framework, didn’t equate their suffering
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“ Pew Research Center, which found that, “Sixty-one percent of single men were looking for a relationship or dates”

And how many successful? Share the link to the paper if you could be so kind? Cant quote one part only right?

"I adopt cancer stages to develop the framework, didn’t equate their suffering"

You adapt the cancer stages to develop your framework but discount key parameters that make cancer patients....cancer patients?

You can pick and choose like that? You dont pick something that can closely replicate the subject matter or demographic at hand?
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post Jul 18 2024, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jul 18 2024, 12:34 PM)
“ Pew Research Center, which found that, “Sixty-one percent of single men were looking for a relationship or dates”

And how many successful? Share the link to the paper if you could be so kind? Cant quote one part only right?

"I adopt cancer stages to develop the framework, didn’t equate their suffering"

You adapt the cancer stages to develop your framework but discount key parameters that make cancer patients....cancer patients?

You can pick and choose like that? You dont pick something that can closely replicate the subject matter or demographic at hand?
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You are losing me, what do they have to do with anything?

Successful as in? Finding date? 61% of all single men were invontarily single, they wouldn’t being single if they could find a date. The rest of the study were irrelevant, mostly about violence tendency

The parameters of cancer patients is irrelevant here, I was simply applying the framework of typical medical diagnosis on determining incelism. First indicators from blood tests (in the case of incel, dating apps elo score), followed by physical examination such as ultrasound (in the case of incel, evaluation by registered consultant, I recommend evolutionary psychologist or biologist)

In what way im cherry picking

This post has been edited by somewhataut: Jul 18 2024, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(dawnreaver @ Jul 18 2024, 04:22 PM)
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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Jul 17 2024, 02:08 PM)
i didn’t say life is about sex and relationship, I’m saying romantic gratification should become human right and those denied access should be deemed disabled and receive palliative care because they are living below human right set point.

Incels don’t call themselves incel after asking for romantic gratification by screaming gimme love gimme gimme and rejected. It’s the long term ineffective attempt to resolve the patterns in rejections, timeline that indicates permanent singleness as well as low elo score or poor dating apps performance that are pretty good symptoms of being an incel
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Dude, let what I am about to say sink in.

You consider yourself an incel because no opposite sex individual gave you romantic gratification. To say it is your basic right means someone and some enforcing body needs to ensure you get romantic gratification. That would mean SOMEONE is FORCED to GIVE you romantic gratification to satisfy your needs.

How authoritarian is that ?


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QUOTE(dawnreaver @ Jul 18 2024, 04:22 PM)
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 18 2024, 05:19 PM)
Dude, let what I am about to say sink in.

You consider yourself an incel because no opposite sex individual gave you romantic gratification. To say it is your basic right means someone and some enforcing body needs to ensure you get romantic gratification. That would mean SOMEONE is FORCED to GIVE you romantic gratification to satisfy your needs.

How authoritarian is that ?
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This is a common notion used to slander incels

Did you read my 3.2? Which part of it imply holding women at gunpoint to give us romantic gratification?

Analogies:
Freedom to walk is a basic right, immobile oku can’t walk, society can’t make them walk thus offer OTHER FORMS of support, such as convenience parking spot, bigger spaces

Access to job opportunities is a basic right, autistic people can’t meet expectation of social competence in typical workplace, society can’t make autistic people competent socially thus offer OTHER FORMS of support, such as specialised workplace where the neuro atypical can adapt to.

Romantic gratification is a basic right, incels can’t get any, society CANNOT GIVE them romantic gratification but can offer OTHER FORMS of support, such as a special working environment where the the incels are not subjected to the same stress level, or substitute romantic gratification with access to certain drugs and recreation activities





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