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sp3d2
post Jul 7 2024, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 7 2024, 04:50 PM)
she is, lots of gaslight happening, with her innocent pitiful look like she hasn't done anything wrong.

i did do that, she then asked - are you going to update you everyday?

then she once did say I micromanage her, as I ask for weekly updates which is very common and normal.
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well, if the job is lousy, of course you need to micromanage. it is your right. nothing in company said micromanage is wrong. its a preference of boss.
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post Jul 7 2024, 04:54 PM

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Document everything clearly, especially incidents affecting team work. When discussing with management, focus on the impact on productivity.
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post Jul 7 2024, 04:59 PM

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when TS starts to promoting himself first, its already a red flag.

now, let me read the rest

EDIT:
i have read the rest. but its only YOUR point of view. Its very convenient to you since she unable to defend herself

This reminded me of my true story. i been framed once, and i havent even given a chance to defend myself.




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post Jul 7 2024, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(sp3d2 @ Jul 7 2024, 04:54 PM)
well, if the job is lousy, of course you need to micromanage. it is your right. nothing in company said micromanage is wrong. its a preference of boss.
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i understand that now

QUOTE(EtonzzK @ Jul 7 2024, 04:54 PM)
Document everything clearly, especially incidents affecting team work. When discussing with management, focus on the impact on productivity.
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we all know that, company focuses on quality work, not her kindie 6 year old work output.


QUOTE(john123x @ Jul 7 2024, 04:59 PM)
when TS starts to promoting himself first, its already a red flag.

now, let me read the rest
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im trying to provide a context of the situation.
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post Jul 7 2024, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jul 7 2024, 04:59 PM)

EDIT:
i have read the rest. but its only YOUR point of view. Its very convenient to you since she unable to defend herself

This reminded me of my true story. i been framed once, and i havent even given a chance to defend myself.
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Did you get justice in the end?
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post Jul 7 2024, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 7 2024, 05:10 PM)
Did you get justice in the end?
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nope

i forever will not get justice
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post Jul 7 2024, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jul 7 2024, 04:59 PM)
when TS starts to promoting himself first, its already a red flag.

now, let me read the rest

EDIT:
i have read the rest. but its only YOUR point of view. Its very convenient to you since she unable to defend herself

This reminded me of my true story. i been framed once, and i havent even given a chance to defend myself.
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Of course in her pov, she's the innocent lamb who will get slaughtered by me.

I only focus on output. Nothing about a person.
The rest doesn't have problem too. What's so special about her.
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post Jul 7 2024, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jul 7 2024, 05:14 PM)
nope

i forever will not get justice
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Oh dear. Were you forced out unfairly?
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post Jul 7 2024, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 7 2024, 06:06 PM)
Oh dear. Were you forced out unfairly?
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then what do you expect me to do?

please think first before you read the spoiler.

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post Jul 7 2024, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jul 7 2024, 06:13 PM)
then what do you expect me to do?

please think first before you read the spoiler.

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Hard to comment without hearing the other side of the story, like you said about TS, but sorry for your experience bro.
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post Jul 7 2024, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jul 7 2024, 06:13 PM)
then what do you expect me to do?

please think first before you read the spoiler.

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A good manager/HR person will put the two parties together and talk it out.

I'm ready anytime to do that and she will have nowhere to hide her face, her lies, and her deceitful plan. Question me, interrogate me and I'm very ready to clear my name. Unlike her who needs to hide many things.

In your case, your management never gave you a chance to defend yourself. Your boss is stupid. He listened to hearsay and implicated you. Again very different from my case.

Office politics is one ugly shit. That's why I take no part in it and I'm purely focusing on output, not rubbing shoulders with top people.

What can you do? You could actually file for labor court for unfair dismissal since you've stated you're innocent.

Or You can work hard until one day you can become his boss. That's the sweetest revenge and it should be your motivation to work harder.

I had my project stolen by my previous superior, haunted me for many years. My profile is now much better than hers. That's the sweetest revenge. She still owes me a big apology.
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post Jul 8 2024, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 6 2024, 04:26 PM)
Although I am Chinese Asian working in a foreign land, my people have no problem with my style of managing them - direct, highly involved, communicative, fast, high standard, and keeping the group dynamic nice. My team ranges from White, African, to Chinese and no one has issue with me. Most of them really appreciate my professionalism and how I have been guiding them. I also have good relationships with people who aren't in my team yet, But this particular person is cracking my head...

- any meeting outside work but helps to boost their connection, she answered me - 'I am not answerable to you'

- always sends documents attached to cloud and she often makes changes to it (leaving no trail of her terrible work).
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LOL...................................

But yes, start the PIP process if you need to
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post Jul 8 2024, 10:55 AM

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My experience is that thai english is worse than indian..
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post Jul 8 2024, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Jul 8 2024, 10:55 AM)
My experience is that thai english is worse than indian..
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Aiya, you cannot generalize like that bro...
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post Jul 8 2024, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(StorMx @ Jul 8 2024, 10:48 AM)
LOL...................................

But yes, start the PIP process if you need to
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Met with management today

Change team. Can't cause other teams have stricter leaders.
Next is observe her. Then out she goes.

QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Jul 8 2024, 10:55 AM)
My experience is that thai english is worse than indian..
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Everytime I go to Thailand. It makes me more pissed how Thai people are so down to earth and friendly but she is so entitled.

I think she thinks her English is good. So she carries her air to a foreign land where her English is just average.
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post Jul 8 2024, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 8 2024, 02:10 PM)
Met with management today

Change team. Can't cause other teams have stricter leaders.
Next is observe her. Then out she goes.
Everytime I go to Thailand. It makes me more pissed how Thai people are so down to earth and friendly but she is so entitled.

I think she thinks her English is good. So she carries her air to a foreign land where her English is just average.
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Looks like the clock has started ticking for her. Countdown to oblivion
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post Jul 8 2024, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 8 2024, 02:26 PM)
Looks like the clock has started ticking for her. Countdown to oblivion
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ill buy someone here mcd the day i wave her good bye, sayonara, won't be missed, get the hell out of here.
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post Jul 8 2024, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 8 2024, 03:24 PM)
ill buy someone here mcd the day i wave her good bye, sayonara, won't be missed, get the hell out of here.
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Keep us posted.


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post Jul 8 2024, 03:32 PM

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Yes please keep us posted.
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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 6 2024, 04:26 PM)
I manage a group of around 10 people at the moment, and all of whom are ladies. More will be under me including men once the old batches successfully graduates.

Although I am Chinese Asian working in a foreign land, my people have no problem with my style of managing them - direct, highly involved, communicative, fast, high standard, and keeping the group dynamic nice. My team ranges from White, African, to Chinese and no one has issue with me. Most of them really appreciate my professionalism and how I have been guiding them. I also have good relationships with people who aren't in my team yet, But this particular person is cracking my head...

This person
- female, early 30s, Thai national
- when asked for information, she will send me a link, and in the horrible tone of voice, ask me to link and refer to that
- if anything, i need to refer back to her, instead of her updating me what she has done without my knowledge
- any meeting outside work but helps to boost their connection, she answered me - 'I am not answerable to you'
- only wants to meet once a month, online, and according to her time schedule, not mine
- refuses to join my team meetings, and refuse to mingle with other people in my team
- she would mislead information then accuses me of having to agreed that when she only rushed to complete a sloppy work (We can easily see a sloppy work in a glance)
- keeping a lot of paper trail to paint I'm a bad person and she has been doing her best. this also includes providing false info in her email (Other people in my team can easily be my evidence to my work professionalism) (I am also tired of keep correcting her in emails because it will lead to no end, and most times she will just reply 'noted' which I have zero idea what that means)
- sent out meeting invites even though I have told her she needs to work more on her task first before calling for a meeting (Basically just telling me off, who the fish I am, and we will most probably be talking about the same thing from last meeting, a pure waste of time)
- always sends documents attached to cloud and she often makes changes to it (leaving no trail of her terrible work)
- behind her tough look in front of everyone, all I know is she cries and cries like she is a victim of my wrongdoing
- she is a highly anxious person
- manipulative, but half stupid as well - I always get to find out her next moves and foil her MO (and she doesn't like it obviously)
- never takes accountabilities and responsible on her own actions
- gets offended easily and said I disrespected her
- sent a hinted email teaching me how to write properly to her as a sign of respect
- sends work that makes zero sense at all but she will also display such a confident look
- sends a set of work through email and display another sets of document during meetings

This issue has been made known to my other colleagues and we will bring this up to the management next week. I want her off from my team and the whole company, she imo is a pure liability. Managing this team is only a part of my portfolio, I have other work to attend to as well.

I am truly intrigued by what type of person she is. Some said she is rich so she always has it her way. Does anyone has someone like this at the workplace? How do you deal with it?

Thanks for listening my rant.
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Do you work in a heavily unionized environment?

Sounds familiar. Dealt with these union people before.

This kind of people die die also will take it to the end to industrial court nonsense.

If your HR is determined enough: you can institute to get rid of her but you need HR help. Without their support, you are on your own.

Its actually a total waste of time to keep email to this kind of people. When you have so much to do, you have to spend so much time to keep black n white to defend against her never ending email evidence keeping.

She is actually wrong to tell you that meeting can only occur once a month. She is your subordinate, right? how can a subordinate tell her boss that she can only have meeting once a month? Kena her for insubordination.

This post has been edited by hoonanoo: Jul 11 2024, 02:53 PM

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