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 DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?

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post Apr 17 2025, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Apr 17 2025, 08:11 AM)
No mentions of spectrum?

Also if a device, plan or whatever incapable supporting SA, will U Mobile's 4G bands be used as an anchor?
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2025, 12:35 PM)
n78

mcmc allocated 200mhz for n78

dnb dapat 100mhz, so the remaining will be for umobile.
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USA has also allocated Low-Band 5G frequency 600MHz/N71 to the celcos for best range/coverage and object penetration = much less problem with indoor 5G signal reception, esp at home and in the office.
....... Mid-Band 5G, eg 3500MHz/N78, has poor range/coverage and object penetration = much problems with indoor 5G signal reception = even worse than 4G frequencies.

Will MCMC also do the same, ie allocate Low-Band 5G freq.?
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post Apr 17 2025, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2025, 02:37 PM)
that frequency range if not mistaken already taken by our fta tv.
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Low-Band 5G can be 600MHz to 900MHz, eg by reallocating Low-Band 2G/4G freq (eg 800MHz to 900MHz) for 5G.
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post Apr 17 2025, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Apr 17 2025, 01:55 PM)
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USA has also allocated Low-Band 5G frequency 600MHz/N71 to the celcos for best range/coverage and object penetration = much less problem with indoor 5G signal reception, esp at home and in the office.
....... Mid-Band 5G, eg 3500MHz/N78, has poor range/coverage and object penetration = much problems with indoor 5G signal reception =  even worse than 4G frequencies.

Will MCMC also do the same, ie allocate Low-Band 5G freq.?
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2025, 07:01 PM)
mcmc already relocated the 700mhz for 5g after open for public inquiry mah...

https://mcmc.gov.my/en/spectrum/consultatio...quiry-responses

those frequency u mentioned memang dah allocated for mobile/broadcasting. for precise allocation, u can check mcmc punya spectrum chart and spectrum plan.
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Yes, you are right.

More detailed news about this from year 2020, .......

https://soyacincau.com/2020/01/01/malaysia-...cmc-assignment/ - 2020/jan/01 - Malaysia 5G bands announced, 700MHz & 3.5GHz allocated to one entity (= DNB1)

AFAIK, DNB1 launched with 5G NSA which could not use the allocated 2X30MHz Low Band 700MHz, ie only 5G SA can also use it.

Has MCMC allocated another Low Band 700MHz to DNB2, ie to U Mobile's 5G SA.?
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post Apr 17 2025, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2025, 08:49 PM)
yes, they most probably awarded the 2x20mhz bandwidth of the 700mhz spectrum too.

https://soyacincau.com/2024/11/01/mcmc-awar...ond-5g-network/
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Thanks for the info.

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So, DNB2 or U Mobile will have 700MHz (2x 20MHz block) and 3.5GHz (100MHz block) spectrum for it's 5G SA network which AFAIK gives a bandwidth capacity of 400Mbps for Low Band 700MHz and 2Gbps for Mid Band 3.5GHz or 3500MHz - to be shared by all it's 5G subscribers and 5G MVNOs.

In comparison, if 5G SA, DNB1 has 2x30MHz of the 700MHz band and 100MHz for the 3.5GHz band, which is 600Mbps of Low Band and 2Gbps of Mid Band.

AFAIK, a 5G cell tower can service about 5,000 active subscribers at the same time in that coverage area. At peak traffic hours in urban areas, the average speed for DNB2 will be as slow as 2,400Mbps/5,000 = 0.5Mbps = 4G will be slightly faster (3Mbps) in such a situation because each 4G cell tower can only service about 500 active subscribers at the same time. This will happen when there are many more 5G subscribers.
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post Apr 19 2025, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 19 2025, 11:38 AM)
Thought both DNB and UM get 2x20Mhz? The 2X20Hz for DL and UL, so 400Mbps abit exaggerated… i think barely 100Mbps DL.

Remaining on 700Mhz if not mistaken use for digital TV broadcasting by Altel.
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400Mbps is referring to bandwidth capacity, not download speed.

Eg a TM Unifi Fibre-optic cable leading to linked homes has a bandwidth capacity of 10Gbps (= 10GPON or XGPON technology) to be shared by about 50 home subscribers. During peak traffic hours with 50 active subscribers, each subscriber will still get average 200Mbps download speed, ie 10,000Mbps/50 = Fibre Internet is not subjected to network congestion during peak traffic hours in urban areas, unlike 4G/5G Internet.
....... But if there is only 1 active subscriber, eg during off-peak hours, theoretically, he/she can get 10Gbps download speed.
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post Apr 20 2025, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 20 2025, 07:55 AM)
Actually abit different with fibre. LTE Bandwidth Capacity is download speed for a single user at the best radio condition possible with supported device of all the possible capabilities. Quite dynamic.

Even if assume very optimum (standing in front of the antenna holding the top 4G phone in market) how 20Mhz LTE can give 400Mbps? Is that even possible theoretically?
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Fyi, .......

.... Maximum 4G Speed With LTE, LTE Advanced And LTE Advanced Pro

The maximum speed of 4G LTE networks depends on the network configuration. There can be various combinations of channel bandwidth (e.g. 20 MHz), digital modulation (e.g. QAM = Quadrature Amplitude Modulation) and MIMO configurations. LTE is more efficient than 3G technologies, and it also offers lower latency than 3G UMTS and CDMA2000 networks. LTE networks have seen various enhancements over the years including major updates like LTE-Advanced and LTE-Advanced Pro.

Using a 20 MHz channel with a 64 QAM digital modulation, peak speeds of up to 300 Mbps can be achieved for downloads and up to 75 Mbps for uploads. LTE-Advanced can support peak download data rates of up to 1 Gbps and LTE-Advanced Pro can provide maximum data rates of up to 3 Gbps.

The average 4G data speed is what you normally get on your mobile device, whereas the peak speed is the maximum data rate the network can theoretically generate. So, the peak speed of a mobile connection is the maximum data rate that can be extracted from the radio signal when using the highest possible network configuration. For example, with LTE networks, we can combine multiple channels through carrier aggregation, configure different levels of QAM modulation in LTE/LTE-A/LTE-A-Pro, and employ various antenna settings to get the maximum possible bit rate. ...
https://commsbrief.com/average-4g-speed-how...compared-to-4g/ - Average 4G Speed: How Fast Is 4G LTE Compared To 4G+?
July 26, 2020

https://www.nokia.com/about-us/newsroom/art...tion-explained/ - 5g-carrier-aggregation-explained

4G LTE-A can give peak (theoretical) download speed of 1Gbps and this is done through Carrier Aggregation, eg U Mobile 4G LTE-A has Bands 8, 3, 1 and 7 for CA. Similarly for Low-Band 5G SA if DNB2 or U Mobile has >1 Band of 700MHz.
....... Note that 1X20MHz Band in the 700MHz frequency range gives a bandwidth capacity of about 200Mbps. 2X20MHz = 400Mbps. Maximum theoretical d/l speed on a single 5G Low Band is 350Mbps. .......

.... That said, with 4G and low-band 5G increasing steadily, the Cradlepoint 5G Strategy team estimates that peak speeds in the coverage layer could go as high as 350 Mbps, with maximum upload speeds of 60 Mbps, and latency in the 30 ms range. ...
https://cradlepoint.com/resources/blog/what...he-types-of-5g/ - August 19, 2021 - What are the Types of 5G?
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post Apr 20 2025, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Apr 17 2025, 08:34 PM)
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https://soyacincau.com/2020/01/01/malaysia-...cmc-assignment/ - 2020/jan/01 - Malaysia 5G bands announced, 700MHz & 3.5GHz allocated to one entity (= DNB1)
.... For now, MCMC will only release 2x30MHz of the 700MHz band and 100MHz for the 3.5GHz band. The remaining frequencies will be considered for assignment at a later stage. ...

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QUOTE((BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2025, 08:49 PM)
yes, they most probably awarded the 2x20mhz bandwidth of the 700mhz spectrum too.

https://soyacincau.com/2024/11/01/mcmc-awar...ond-5g-network/ - MCMC: Malaysia’s second 5G network goes to U Mobile - 1 November 2024
... With the latest development, U Mobile will have to divest its stake in DNB to focus on building the second 5G network. As mentioned in the Ministerial Direction issued by Communications Minister Fahmi Fadzil on 21st June 2024, the winner of the tender process will allocated 700MHz (2x 20MHz block)   and 3.5GHz (100MHz block) spectrum to implement the second 5G network.
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 20 2025, 02:21 PM)
There you go, DL 200Mbps as per the explaination in article for 1x20Mhz. If is not 700Mhz, it can go higher, low band has some have limitations.

The 2x20Mhz is for DL 20Mhz and UL 20MHz cause is operating in FDD. It is written that way for a reason (2x20Mhz instead 40Mhz)
So, is not 2x20Mhz= 40Mhz for DL only. So cannot multiply by 2 (this in the article is incorrect).

Or maybe the article add the up and down speed to get 350-400Mbps, which usually people dont say that … DL and UL usually mention separately not cumulatively. Quota GB usually will mention together but not the speed.

In the beginning all the 2x40Mhz given to DNB but gotta vomit back for UM in this case. Both DNB and UM shall receive 2x20Mhz each eventually.
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No lah. Afaik, DNB1 got 2X30MHz block 700MHz in 2020 whereas DNB2/U-Mobile got 2X20MHz block 700MHz in 2024, from MCMC = if so, DNB1 will have a slight competitive edge over DNB2 wrt bandwidth capacity, ie 2.6Gbps vs 2.4Gbps
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Apr 20 2025, 03:50 PM)
as far as 700MHz assignment could go, both DNB and U Mobile now own 2x20MHz. Even the DSS n28 on DNB now reusing the same chunk of B28, which is why SA 5G is not that important in Malaysia.
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Maybe DNB1 is keeping a 2X10MHz block 700MHz in reserve for later deployment.
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Why is 5G SA not that important in Malaysia.? Note that later, MCMC can refarm to DNB1 & 2 some of the Low-Band 4G 800MHz and 900MHz for 5G SA, thus increasing their Low-Band bandwidth capacity to about 1Gbps through Carrier Aggregation. 5G SA Low-Band has much better range and object penetration that Mid-Band/3.5GHz.
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Apr 20 2025, 06:26 PM)
You should know there's almost no UE in the market can do low band CA right, not even iPhone
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AFAIK, Apple is a newcomer in producing their own 5G modems, ie the C1 and C2 modems, for their latest iPhones. That may be why the latest iPhone 16 does not support Low-Band 5G SA Carrier Aggregation.

For our info, .......

.... The first test used a commercially available Samsung Galaxy S25 with the Snapdragon® X80 5G Modem-RF System running test software, leveraging T-Mobile’s industry-leading 5G network to reach downlink speeds of 4.3 Gbps in real-world conditions. In a second test, offering a glimpse into the next evolution of 5G Advanced, T-Mobile pushed the boundaries even further by leveraging the brand-new Qualcomm X85 5G Modem-RF on a mobile test device, achieving peak speeds of 6.3 Gbps.

Both tests combined low-band and mid-band spectrum on the Un-carrier’s 5G Standalone (5G SA) production network, delivering blazing-fast performance. To put these mind-blowing speeds into perspective, you could stream every Super Bowl ever played in 8K resolution—simultaneously. Once again, the Un-carrier sets the standard in 5G innovation.

“With 6-Carrier Aggregation, we’re not just adding another feather to our cap—we’re accelerating the future of 5G Advanced,” said Ulf Ewaldsson, President of Technology, T-Mobile. ...
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2025...Breaking-Speeds - Mar 18, 2025 10:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Beyond Fast: T‑Mobile’s 5G Advanced 6-Carrier Aggregation Sets Record-Breaking Speeds
The Un-Carrier with Nokia and Qualcomm Push Downlink Speeds to 6.3 Gbps Using Standalone and Sub-6GHz Spectrum in its Latest Field Test

= CA can even be done by combining Low-Band and Mid-Band in 5G-Advanced by using Qualcomm X80 and X85 modems. I believe CA can also be done by only combining 2 or more Low-Band 5G SA. Eg USA's T-Mobile has Low-Band 5G SA at n71/600MHz and n25/1900MHz.
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 20 2025, 08:20 PM)
I think he meant Low Band and Low Band CA not supported. Thats why 700,800 and 900 CA are challenging.
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There seems to be some confusion among the public as to what is Low-Band and Mid-Band 5G, eg some experts term Low-Band 5G as sub-1GHz while others term it as sub-2GHz, mainly because presently most Low-Band 5G is sub-1GHz (eg 600MHz and 700MHz) and because presently nearly all 4G frequency Bands are from 800MHz to sub-3GHz = the newer 5G technology was allocated by the authorities freq Bands that were away from the 4G freq Bands = no radio interference, eg in Malaysia's case, in 2020 MCMC allocated DNB1 a 2X30MHz block at 700MHz = Low-Band 5G and a 100MHz block at 3500MHz or 3.5GHz = Mid-Band 5G.

But in the future, when the authorities refarm some of the 4G frequency Bands for 5G, this confusion should be cleared. .......

- Mid-band 5G: Medium range, good speed. The mid band operates between 2-6 GHz and provides a longer range than the high-band, with good speeds in the gigabit per second range. In fact, this 5G spectrum is the most used 5G band and is commonly used on business campuses.

- Low-band 5G: Long range, slower speed. The low band operates below 2 GHz, but it is very crowded with 4G LTE traffic, It is commercially important for industry. IoT sensors can use low band 5G to monitor wind and solar farm conditions over large areas.
https://www.digi.com/blog/post/what-is-c-ba...mportant-for-5g - 2 Nov 2022 - What Is C-band and Why Is It Important for 5G?
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post Apr 21 2025, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 21 2025, 07:15 AM)
I think there is no future for DNB tech, DNB is a bailout pending company created by government from Day 1. All YTL, CDB and Maxis will lose their stakes badly on this. TM not buying which is smart, UM “won” their own 5G spectrum. DNB initially said spending 11B then from newer news said 16B if not mistaken, a very big hole to bailout … on average CDB and Maxis only report 1B profit annually … jointly need 8 years to cover DNB hole. Not to mention they need to pay dividends and continue operating their network.

In 5 years time, 6G will come. Maxis and CDB company will be so pressured either there will be merger or some others will buy them over. I think gov deliberately bankrupting Maxis and CDB. From investor perspective, Maxis and CDB are company facing doomsday.
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Fyi, .......

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/celcom-...xt-five-years-0 - Celcom Axiata to invest RM100m in IoT segment over the next five years - 11 Jan 2019
.... He added that the telecommunications company had spent some RM10.68 billion in capital expenditure from 2008 to 2018. Out of this, RM2.3 billion was spent on its 4G LTE capabilities. ...
= Celcom spent RM10.68 billion from 2008 to 2018 to deploy its 3G/4G/LTE network. A similar sum spent by the other celcos, Maxis, Digi, U Mobile, YTL and TM Unifi Mobile, to do the same = about RM50 to RM60 billion spent on deploying 3G/4G/LTE networks in Malaysia.

So, DNB spending "only" RM16 billion over 10 years to deploy its Low-Band/Mid-Band/High-Band 5G network is pennywise.
....... Furthermore, Maxis, CDB and YTL will be the controlling shareholders in DNB1 if they join forces together, eg to charge their ownselves fairly for 5G access and to repay the RM16 billion investment in time.

Let's wait-and-see how DNB2 will compete with DNB1, ie in 2026.

Maybe DNB1 will come out ahead, eg Ericsson vs Huawei equipment, slightly more bandwidth capacity in Low-Band 5G, etc.
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 21 2025, 04:13 PM)
Telco spent 10B including coverage and capacity expansion. DNB spent 16B only on coverage not inclusive indoor. Not even equivalent comparison.

UM has plenty of LTE bands can be used for LTE-CA in NSA, seems more promising in terms of of capacity, also they can refarm to 5G SA easily all under their control. While DNB only has 700mhz and cant CA with existing telco LTE bands which is sad due to different vendor. That is why no telco wants DNB also cause using Ericsson - no future just alone.

Too many telco under DNB making things complicated, cant move, everyone has own agenda. Not really a good thing.
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DNB1 will soon be transitioning from 5G NSA to 5G SA = it's Low-Band 2X20MHz block at 700MHz can be released for indoor coverage because 5G NSA Mid-Band at 3500MHz has very poor indoor coverage. So, DNB1's RM16 billion investment over 10 years is inclusive of indoor coverage.
....... AFAIK, wrt inner-door coverage deep inside shopping malls, condos and their basement carparks, wireless repeaters are needed for both 4G and 5G, which is a different topic.

U Mobile's DNB2 will straightaway deploy as 5G SA, not 5G NSA, starting in H2 2025. So, there is no question of UM using LTE-CA with 5G NSA.
....... There is little difference between DNB1 refarming some 4G freq Bands from Maxis and CDB for 5G, and DNB2/U Mobile refarming some of its 4G freq Bands for 5G, eg both DNB1 & 2 requires approval from MCMC, ie the sunset date for 4G is determined by MCMC.

AFAIK, Ericsson/Nokia > Huawei, eg .......

Ericsson and Mobily test 5G 6 Component Carrier Aggregation, achieve 4.2 Gbps downlink throughput
- Ericsson partnered with Mobily and MediaTek to test six-component carrier aggregation (6CC) on a live 5G Standalone network.
- This test marks the first global 5G 6CC on a live 5G standalone network with 3 FDD and 3 TDD carriers.
- The test utilized Ericsson Spectrum Sharing and 5G Carrier Aggregation software to achieve a downlink throughput of 4.2 Gbps.
PRESS RELEASE FEB 12, 2025
https://www.ericsson.com/en/press-releases/...link-throughput

BELLEVUE, Wash.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Calling these record-breaking speeds “impressive” would be an understatement — we’re redefining what speed really means! Today, T-Mobile (NASDAQ: TMUS) announced a groundbreaking achievement, reaching record downlink speed using Nokia’s cutting edge 5G RAN equipment. The testing was conducted on both a commercial Samsung Galaxy S25 and a non-commercial mobile test device leveraging the newly announced Qualcomm X85 5G Modem-RF, all on America’s largest and fastest 5G network. ...
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2025...Breaking-Speeds - Mar 18, 2025 10:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Beyond Fast: T‑Mobile’s 5G Advanced 6-Carrier Aggregation Sets Record-Breaking Speeds
The Un-Carrier with Nokia and Qualcomm Push Downlink Speeds to 6.3 Gbps Using Standalone and Sub-6GHz Spectrum in its Latest Field Test
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Apr 21 2025, 05:31 PM)
Nah, anyone working in telecom industry knows Nokia inferiority. Huawei, ZTE, and Ericsson all have their own advantages. For telco perspective, they would not simply switch vendor because it would require dismantling their existing infrastructure. (ie. CelcomDigi merger, u will see a lot of Celcom keep sites in Klang Valley getting the Huawei RRU dismantled and replaced with ZTE RRU to keep their network management less problematic, same as Digi keep sites in the south)

Huawei is top notch in telecom industry btw, even till now, they are the only one with 3-beams antenna that would allow telco to continue using RRU+passive antenna setup without the need to invest for a more expensive AAU. Nokia on the other hand still struggling with basic 4T6S

Not to mention Chinese firms have a lot of good RRUs and AAUs. To be frank, in where free market is practice, even in EU, Huawei and ZTE are still often much preferred. Their solutions are simply affordable and also advance, can tackle for lots of environments
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So, why CCP China celcos use Ericsson 5G SA equipment.? .......

.... Major Customers who have launched Ericsson 5G Core

The following customers have launched an Ericsson 5G Core as of the writing of this article:

Rogers Canada
Singtel Singapore
China Mobile.
China Telecom.
BT network in the UK,
Telefónica Deutschland
SmarTone Hong Kong

Ericsson claims the world’s first in 5G Core and NR SA and as per GlobalData, is a leader in 5G Core. “The solution has gained significant market momentum, which currently includes 64+ 5G contracts, 33+ live Non-Standalone (NSA) deployments, and 100+ Standalone (SA) trials in the planning or execution stages.” ...
https://5g.security/open-ran/comparison-5g-core/ - A Comparison of 5G Core Network Architectures - 28 Feb 2021
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Remember, like nearly all high-tech companies in CCP China, Huawei has close ties with the CCP or is under the CCP's thumb = it's likely that Huawei 5G SA equipment and software have hidden backdoors to the CCP's spy/hack agencies. Hence, USA, Australia, Japan, some EU countries, etc, have banned Huawei, ZTE, etc from their 5G network.
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Apr 21 2025, 06:19 PM)
Correct, if u noticed the recent antenna swap by CelcomDigi. Most of their equipments are actually 5G ready except no n78 AAU yet. Literally just need government to flip the finger for them to enable 5G. However, without n78, the 5G wouldn't be that much faster than 4G+, theoretically is only 10% more efficient.

This DNB stuff also make Maxis to invest less on their own network infrastructure, you can see a steep decline on CAPEX on their network infrastructure in recent quarters.
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Are CelcomDigi's 4G equipment 5G SA-Ready if got n78 AAU.?
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 21 2025, 06:27 PM)
I think China uses all telco brands in China, but largely still provided by Huawei and ZTE. Their market large enough to have a lot of vendors. One reason is to preserve the relationship and trade between countries and job opportunities.

For Huawei 5G back doors, in US the same team that searching for WMD in Iraq still working on it …
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Fyi, Pres. Bush Jr's family in Texas were very involved in the oil business. So, non-existent WMD was his excuse to invade Iraq and steal its oil, in order for his family and oil cronies to get filthy rich ... but Al Qaeda and ISIS terrorists put paid to most of his greedy plans.

This has nothing to do with hidden backdoors in 5G hardware and software, ie intentionally inserted hidden backdoors are not non-existent = they are existent, unlike the above non-existent WMD in Iraq..
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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/717284 - Maxis, CelcomDigi, U Mobile and YTL Power buy 16.3% stake each in DNB instead of 14%, as TM yet to take up its portion - 28 June 2024
.... As for the government’s special share, it will be redeemed by DNB 24 months after MOF Inc’s exit. = 24 months from today.?
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What happened to U Mobile's RM233 million shareholder advance to DNB1.?
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From the old days (pre 2000), the Malaysian government only enforced heavy/strict regulation on the essential services of water and electricity supply, esp on the service fees charged to ordinary consumers. Mobile 1G/2G/3G phone calls and Fixed Internet services were then considered non-essential services (= luxury services) = TM Streamyx/Unifi Fiber and celcos were lightly regulated = more free open market to set service fees which tended to be on the high side, eg TM Streamyx 1Mbps = RM89 per month and 1GB 3G data = RM10.

Since the launch of fast (30Mbps) Mobile 4G Internet data in the 2010s, Internet service has become an essential service, eg banking apps, WFH, MySejahtera, e-Wallets, Grab, Foodpanda, PADU, etc, but heavy regulation by the government wrt fees charged by celcos, has been slow to catch up, ie they are still being lightly regulated. Why.?

Hint: the celcos are CelcomDigi, TM Unifi Mobile, U Mobile, Maxis and YES. .......

https://www.nst.com.my/business/corporate/2...-sharp-rise-tax - CelcomDigi's Q1 earnings (= net profit) up 1.9pct to RM383.78mil, offset by sharp rise in tax expenses - 22 May 2025
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Latest news update:

https://www.lowyat.net/2025/364874/dnb-liab...fter-govt-exit/ - Gobind: DNB Liabilities To Be Borne By Telcos After Govt Exit
CelcomDigi, Maxis and YTL Power to continue financing the 5G entity under existing shareholders agreement.
- 3 Sep 2025
All liabilities of Digital Nasional Bhd (DNB) will be borne by its remaining shareholders once the government fully exits the company, Digital Minister Gobind Singh Deo confirmed. He said this is provided under the shareholders agreement governing the state-owned 5G network entity.

According to Gobind, DNB has received multiple rounds of funding since its inception. These include an initial RM500 million equity injection in 2021, a RM450 million shareholder loan from the Minister of Finance Inc (MOF Inc) in 2023, an RM800 million receivables purchase agreement in 2021, and a RM1.5 billion government-guaranteed loan in 2023. Both of which have already been fully utilised.

At present, CelcomDigi, Maxis, and YTL Power International each hold 19.44% in DNB, while MOF Inc remains the largest shareholder with 41.7%. The line-up changed after U Mobile exited last year to take charge of developing Malaysia’s second 5G network.

Following U Mobile’s departure, the three MNOs injected fresh advances of RM116.67 million each, on top of earlier contributions of RM233.23 million each. These funds were meant to support DNB’s ongoing operations and working capital needs, according to Bursa Malaysia filings.

Gobind added that DNB remains aligned with its business plan despite adjustments for the dual 5G model. He also reiterated that MNOs have pledged full support to keep the company financially sustainable under the shareholders agreement.

Previously, Gobind stated that no second 5G network would be rolled out until government funding provided to DNB is repaid by its shareholders. However, he did not specify when this repayment is expected to be completed.

= it seems DNB1 owes the govt RM1.95 billion in loans and the govt has RM1.3 billion in equity investments (= 41.7% stake) in DNB1.

The above 3 celcos have RM1.05 billion in equity investments (= 58.3% stake = 19.44% X 3) in DNB1 and will need to pay RM3.25 billion to the govt to fully takeover DNB1 = total is RM4.3 billion for 83% 5G coverage as of 3 Sep 2025.
....... The 3 celcos will also need to put in more investment money to upgrade DNB1's 5G network, eg install more 5G cell towers, more 5G in-building microcells, more 5G high-band/28MHz smallcells (eg on street-lamps), convert cell towers from 5G NSA to 5G SA, etc.

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/...rk-in-malaysia/ - U Mobile picks CIMB to drive $940m financing for 5G network in Malaysia - 3 June 2025
= U Mobile's DNB2 will be spending RM4 billion to provide 80% 5G SA coverage in Malaysia.

4G will soon be sunset (in 2028.?), eg no more cheap RM30 per month prepaid 4G phone plans with at least 100GB of data or unlimited data(but FUP) and highspeed. Will prices of 5G phone plans then be increased for DNB1 and DNB2 to recoup their huge investments.?
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post Sep 30 2025, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Sep 30 2025, 09:04 PM)
On Reddit. Someone claimed Maxis has SA on some certain business plans.

Can anyone verify this?
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QUOTE(Nicknamed666 @ Sep 30 2025, 09:56 PM)
https://www.business.maxis.com.my/en/faq/plans/5G-pro/
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https://www.business.maxis.com.my/en/faq/pl...-priority-pass/ - FAQ
.... Who can subscribe for Priority Pass and how much is the subscription fee?

Priority Pass is available at RM29/month (per line basis) if you are currently on any one of the following plans:

Maxis Business Postpaid 169 (including the sharelines)
Business Postpaid 199 (including the sharelines) ...
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The above super high-end Maxis Business subscribers have to pay an extra RM29 monthly to enjoy DNB1's upgraded 5G SA (from 5G NSA) whereas ...
.... U Mobile high-end subscribers, ie on U Postpaid 98​ , U Biz 98​ , U Premium and U Platinum, are enjoying UM Ultra 5G SA (= DNB2) for no extra payment, which is accessible at various locations - 80% coverage by H2 2026.

At this rate and price, U Mobile's DNB2 will beat DNB1 (=Maxis+CelcomDigi+YES).
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post Oct 1 2025, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(mlamlam @ Oct 1 2025, 07:40 PM)
like very first time, need to pay extra (RM10) to enjoy 5G service from Maxis....
later not sure will FOC or not

I tried 5G SA in HK, due to limited data quota I didn't do any speedtest, it seems nothing special, no issue youtube, normal browsing etc...
but one thing obviously is when having a call, the signal still maintain 5g, it didn't drop to 4g.
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5G SA also transmits on Low-Band 700MHz (2X20MHz block) = longer range and better object penetration for subscribers, eg better in-building coverage, like in concrete homes, condos/apartments and shophouses.

5G NSA does not transmit on Low-Band, ie transmits mostly only on Mid-Band 3.5GHz (100MHz block) = short range and poor object penetration. .......

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5G Standalone (SA) offers improved network performance, including lower latency and faster speeds, through a dedicated 5G core and infrastructure, unlike Non-Standalone (NSA) which relies on the 4G core. Key advantages of SA include the ability to provide full 5G capabilities like ultra-low latency, network slicing, enhanced IoT support, increased energy efficiency, and superior security features.
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