To be fair, 60s Moon Landing is not merely tech race.

It is a mad race between 2 superpowers to expend everything including human life for only 1 thing, national pride.

Nobody will do a crew missions ever at such scale and so abruptly when there is no followup plan. You cant colonize it anyway.

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Lol, hahaha, most sensible, more like 101 excuses to fake it out.

We believe in moon landing, we believe in unmanned moon landing, that's how they put retroreflectors on the moon.

Just that we don't believe human actually step on the moon yet, those are just extras to justifying over bloated budget, so the American taxpayers are content with the money the government spending for it.

This post has been edited by smsid: May 15 2025, 10:29 AM

Humans have been to space almost 400 times but there are people that still think that Earth is flat.

Humans have been to the moon 6 times. Even if we go another 400 times, that would still be people that believe the moon landing is fake.

So many bots are being activated with the same rhetoric.

Earth is flat... earth is flat... need more input... earth is flat...

You guys are funny.

People like you, is like 101 denials it can only be fake.

Even if NASA puts you in the rocket and flies you up, you'll say it's fake, the scenes outside the viewport are cgi

Even if put you in the spacesuit and put you on the moon, you'll insist its fake. Everything is artificially created in a studio somewhere

The only way to actually convince you will be to push you out of the airlock onto the moon without your spacesuit.

So yeah go on believing your moon landing is a hoax. Just don't enforce it to others who don't share your sohainess

@logfire4628
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"You can't trust NASA, they're lying to us!"

"This guy who works for NASA just said a modern day spacecraft can't guarantee safe passage for a manned flight into space!"

"Everything he says is legitimate and true!!"

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“Can we survive Van Allen belt radiation?”

Easily. Stop reading nutjob news.

Before Apollo 10, the Lunar Orbiters carried dosimeter experiments. One dosimeter had a layer of aluminum ober it (a few mm), another had barely anything at all between it and a sky view. These cover layers were no accident: the aluminum layer was the shielding equivalent of the Apollo capsule wall, and the lesser layer was the equivalent of the Apollo flight suit.

Results? The dosimeter readings were judged to be within the acceptable radiation dose, both in lunar orbit and the outbound phase of the missions (i. e., the Van Allen Belts). Had the radiation numbers been high, there was still time to add, e. g., shield layers to the suits, or perhaps a capsule liner, or more likely a “storm cellar” near the center of the Command Module.

It’s the job of management to think of things like this. In Space World, you generally don’t get a “do-over” because your first attempt was weak. It’s the job of space planners to succeed on the first try as often as possible, which includes outside, expert program reviews to uncover things one might have forgotten, or brushed off, or underestimated. If no expertise exists (because no one’s done it before), some sort of risk retirement is called for, such as the dosimeter experiment. In Ground World, one can get away with weak attempts because they’re attempts, and people trust their own diligence. If another attempt is needed, then it’s needed.

We laugh at Ground World.





A satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit (200 by 20,000 miles (320 by 32,190 km)) passing the radiation belts will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) per year (for comparison, a full-body dose of 5 Sv is deadly). Almost all radiation will be received while passing the inner belt.[31]

25/365 = 0.07

5(Sv) / 0.07 = 71.2

So you have to spend a spit balled 71.2 days (with minimal protection) in the inner belt to receive a potentially lethal dose of radiation.

Bear in mind that's with only 3 mm of aluminium shielding. Manned spacecraft have way more protection than that. The more matter radiation has to pass through, the less effective it becomes. So even the atmosphere inside the craft acts as shielding. And indeed proposed procedures for handling radiation spikes in space is to locate to a central most cabin (kinda like waiting out a tornado in a basement).

Going on:

Astronauts' overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.

The real reason everyone's concerned about radiation is because of the nasty long term effects it can have. Kind of hard sending your best and brightest out there with the knowledge they can have increased chances of developing cancer and/or having deformed offspring. However, this aspect is still very much under research as environmental/lifestyle aspects seem to have have equal or greater impacts.

A dose of under 100 rad will typically produce no immediate symptoms other than blood changes. 100 to 200 rad delivered to the entire body in less than a day may cause acute radiation syndrome, (ARS) but is usually not fatal. Doses of 200 to 1,000 rad delivered in a few hours will cause serious illness with poor outlook at the upper end of the range. Whole body doses of more than 1,000 rad are almost invariably fatal.

So in one day you need to subject an astronaut to 10 times the upper threshold of radiation exposure encountered by an astronaut over an entire trip. Just to make them sick.

NASA can't even rescue their own astronauts stranded in space station, until need to beg Elon Musk for it.

And that's only 408 km distance from Earth.

The average distance between the Earth and the Moon is 384,400 km (238 855 miles), if returned trip, easily 770,000 km.

It is a suicide mission, no return trip, one way ticket.

Yeah. So imagine having to spend billions just to proof to few that have already made up their mind for what....

Spending time in this thread to me is already a waste of time. Just to convince a few. Believe or don't believe makes no difference to me. Not that I get money or what.

Just wnat to point out that technology changes and most will fade away.

Originally Answered: Why is there a video of a NASA scientist in YouTube stating that they have yet figured out a way for man to pass through the Van Allen?
There isn’t.

No one from NASA would ever say anything that ignorant. Delete your YouTube account; you’ve been sucked into conspiracy nut videos. If you’ve visited their websites, I’d run an anti-virus scan, too.

I know which video you are talking about. At no time during the video does the speaker say NASA can’t get past the Van Allen Belts. You are being confused by the snarky text balloons put there by the reposter. Just listen to the speaker.

We crossed through the Van Allen belts (there are two of them) 18 times during the Apollo program (Apollo 8, Apollo 10, Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 13, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17) and before that, Gemini 11 had entered the lower belt. Many of those astronauts lived into their eighties and some are still alive. I recently spent a Friday evening at a talk by Apollo 13 astronaut, Fred Haise, and he appears as robust as a man twenty years younger.

Cosmic radiation, in general, will be a challenge for a lengthy mission to Mars, but that has no connection to crossing the Van Allen belts.

Check who is the head of NASA during that time, he was high ranking Nazi officer.





This post has been edited by smsid: May 15 2025, 10:50 AM

so?

you getting at any point here?

forget your meds this morning?

And that is proof moon landings are a hoax, yup, so much true, so much omg, so mu-... AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!

Moon landing fake you are fake not existing in real life.



This thread bodo doesn't exist too. Fake news.

Jews kena telan je, regarding the pic... sudah deal with the Devil....

They genocide Jewish & Gypsies, they spread false propaganda about them to dehumanize all of them, which is seriously wicked.

So they are experts in false propaganda campaigns.

Dude, if 408km also can fail, don't need to mention more than half million kilometers trip.

I also laughing that loud when I heard NASA was begging to Elon Musk like beggars to use his SpaceX capsule to help rescue their stranded astronauts 408km away.

A more recent example, even in the 2000's we already lost things, somemore it's programming source code. Data only wat no meh? 1's and 0's only wat, how can lost wan? It's already backup somewhere just conspiracy dowan to release only rite???

But yeah, it happens in real life. Yet some peoples brain is like hardwired can only believe fake news, they cannot accept the truth lol

https://gameranx.com/updates/id/27404/artic...-s-source-code/

yalah, just like the pyramids and great wall of china must be fake news, coz we never build them again today. Heck we can't even build a single building properly today, that must mean the pyramids or the great wall must be fake yohhh!!!

https://apnews.com/article/thailand-bangkok...2ff5d83f9362438

So yeah, moon landings are fake, yes yes definitely. IT. MUST. BE.

AHAHAHAHAAGAHGAHGAAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!

Lol, I am also laughing that hard at your fail reasoning.

Son, if you want to keep believing in your favorite childhood fairytale, then please go ahead.

But please don't try to throw tantrum here when others don't share your enthusiasm.