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 Anyone Noticed That European Links Went Bad?, Latency >400ms (Update Aft 2 Mths Unrsv)

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michaelkkl
post May 3 2024, 06:23 PM

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One of the broken cable (AAE-1) are expected to restore between May 13 until May 18 according to my source.

EDIT: Delayed until mid-June.

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post May 3 2024, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(chonghe @ May 3 2024, 07:47 AM)
This morning is so slow to access EU websites and servers, I am with TIME
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Seems getting worse tonight. Twitter just refused to load on TIME, while able to load on my Yes 5G
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post May 3 2024, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(go626201 @ May 3 2024, 03:22 PM)
Yesterday night was the worst from past 2 week.
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Ok.. wow... Unifi seems to have much better routing than TIME...

I am giving this until middle of the month, then I change away from TIME to Unifi.
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post May 5 2024, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(michaelkkl @ May 3 2024, 06:23 PM)
One of the broken cable (AAE-1) are expected to restore between May 13 until May 18 according to my source.
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Managed to get good routing with a help of M247/31173's European servers. For the past 2 weeks my latency to Europe major cities was able to be lowered down to 230-260ms.

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ May 5 2024, 12:51 PM)
Managed to get good routing with a help of M247/31173's European servers. For the past 2 weeks my latency to Europe major cities was able to be lowered down to 230-260ms.
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Means Mulvad VPN? Why not write that? 🤣
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post May 5 2024, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(rezzorix @ May 5 2024, 01:01 PM)
Means Mulvad VPN? Why not write that? 🤣
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I actually don't have Mullvad VPN. But I know it's using 31173 AB as one of its hosting carrier partners.

Can't disclose my exact solution entirely here for prying eyes. brows.gif

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post May 5 2024, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ May 5 2024, 01:19 PM)
I actually don't have Mullvad VPN. But I know it's using 31173 AB as one of its hosting carrier partners.

Can't disclose my exact solution entirely here for prying eyes.  brows.gif
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Maybe you got a server there and configured your own VPN?

I also need a solution, this is getting absurd, so long without a solution and TIME doesn't officially say anything.

Maybe you can share via PM?
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post May 5 2024, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(ajimix @ May 5 2024, 02:04 PM)
Maybe you got a server there and configured your own VPN?

I also need a solution, this is getting absurd, so long without a solution and TIME doesn't officially say anything.

Maybe you can share via PM?
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I can't hint any further not because I'm selfish but to avoid zergs from rushing into the solution and spoiling it all.

No offense ya.

I have already gave enough hints previously with RETN's Trans Siberia/Central Asia-China links, M247/31173 Europe routing.

The rest you have to figure out a way how to utilize them. icon_idea.gif

rezzorix Yes, Mullvad is one of the VPN providers which is using 31173 AB based servers out there...But I don't have an account with them. They're among one of the most expensive VPN service out there but not the only solution.

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post May 5 2024, 02:25 PM

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Theres many VPN out there that offer multi location and tell you also which ones give you best latency to choose from.

Just try it out.

The VPN i use routed to Europe best through Mexico, since yesterday it is the South-Korea location thats better.

Again, it is about trying out what works best.

What I really don’t understand is why TIME or any of the other ISP is not more transparent to their customers. I mentioned it before but i think it is because majority of people who browse FB, IG, TikTok etc are not effected at all as these services use well distributed CDN.
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post May 5 2024, 03:36 PM

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Yes, using a VPN allows you to change the routing, but then you are limited by the VPN bandwidth.

Is there any other way to change the routing without being limited in bandwidth?
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post May 5 2024, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(ajimix @ May 5 2024, 03:36 PM)
Yes, using a VPN allows you to change the routing, but then you are limited by the VPN bandwidth.

Is there any other way to change the routing without being limited in bandwidth?
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Does Secure DNS in recent web browsers change routing ?
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post May 5 2024, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ May 5 2024, 03:46 PM)
Does Secure DNS in recent web browsers change routing ?
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Nope, DNS has very little effect unless the site you're accessing has extensive CDN mirror servers around the world.

Its purpose is to translate a web address to an IP of a server that belongs to the network/webpage you're accessing.

The use of CDNs is to balanced out the traffic and equally distribute them in different regions instead of forwarding all traffic to just one server serving the entire visitors pool around the world.

It's like say a website has mirror CDN servers in SG, London and New York.

If you're accessing from Malaysia, when you request for "example.com" for instance, it'll point you to its SG server's IP which is the nearest and with the fastest latency.But that is sometimes conditional, if all the 3 servers have their own localized contents such as Netflix/Disney you might want to access the other regions servers when you send request for the website or the SG server may be over-congested so you want to try other less congested servers in other regions.

This is where the secured geo-based DNS server comes into picture, they'll force resolve the address to the specific regional server's IP which is in their own region like for example a Malaysian user using a European secured DNS, it'll point to European Netflix server instead even if your ISP is based in Asia.

Most of the free public DNS which we are using won't have special features like the example use mentioned above, where it forces your address requests to be pointed to a specific regional server outside your physical location. It still depends on your ISP's routing and upload capacity to ensure smooth transfers/latency to other regions.




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post May 5 2024, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Apr 27 2024, 03:17 PM)
RETN's TransKZ Terrestrial Land Based Cable Network - Dostyk-HK

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TEA-Trans East Asia Europe Terrestrial Cable

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So what really happened to the SEA-ME-WE 5 cable and AAE-1 cable which controls >80% of ASEAN-Europe region traffic? Shark bitten? So coincident?
It's a week now, nothing much about how the incident occurred and no official press release and its details.

While we allow this risks of being bargained by India and Middle East?  Nope I don't think so.

Russia, China and Central Asia is proven more reliable route to gain access into Western Europe.

Can't risk silly excuses about shark attacking cables, wrongly lowered anchors by ships and octopus messing with the cables nonsense. Faster retrieval and repairs too.
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You are free to get your ASN, announce your own routes, and buy transit from RETN, Rostelecom, JSC TransTelecom, and China Telecom. Let me know how much they charge you.

There is a reason why despite the RJCN, it is cheaper to buy transit from Japan down to SEA, through South Asia, up the Red Sea, landing in Marseille, France, interconnect with TransTelecom (AS20485) in LINX, bounce over the Eurasia continent, to a host in Vladivostok.

If you think TM (Wholesale) cekik darah, wait till you see what Transtelecom charges for Eurasia Highway, and China Unicom charges for their side of the ERA terrestrial cable system.



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QUOTE(haya @ May 5 2024, 10:54 PM)
You are free to get your ASN, announce your own routes, and buy transit from RETN, Rostelecom, JSC TransTelecom, and China Telecom. Let me know how much they charge you.

There is a reason why despite the RJCN, it is cheaper to buy transit from Japan down to SEA, through South Asia, up the Red Sea, landing in Marseille, France, interconnect with TransTelecom (AS20485) in LINX, bounce over the Eurasia continent, to a host in Vladivostok.

If you think TM (Wholesale) cekik darah, wait till you see what Transtelecom charges for Eurasia Highway, and China Unicom charges for their side of the ERA terrestrial cable system.
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Not with the geo-politics games now the West are playing to manipulate the ME/South Asia routes to Europe.

The threat and possibility to bypass these regions as an alternative for Far East Asia(Japan-SKorea-China)is becoming a reality.

Not just with submarine cables but also sea routes being replaced with land transport. Too risky for them to hold you under ransom during emergencies when you become too overdependent on just one route.
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QUOTE(ajimix @ May 5 2024, 02:04 PM)
Maybe you got a server there and configured your own VPN?

I also need a solution, this is getting absurd, so long without a solution and TIME doesn't officially say anything.

Maybe you can share via PM?
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~240ms only to Western Europe during peak hours on a Sunday night.

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“Peak hours on a Sunday night” 🤣

Edit to clarify: this is in no way meant disrespectful; I just really had to laugh.

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post May 6 2024, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ May 5 2024, 11:41 PM)
Not with the geo-politics games now the West are playing to manipulate the ME/South Asia routes to Europe.

The threat and possibility to bypass these regions as an alternative for Far East Asia(Japan-SKorea-China)is becoming a reality.

Not just with submarine cables but also sea routes being replaced with land transport. Too risky for them to hold you under ransom during emergencies when you become too overdependent on just one route.
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This is Networks and Broadband, not /k or RWI.

I will leave these facts:

- India Asia Xpress (IAX) under construction by China Mobile and Reliance Jio
- PEACE Cable being built by HMN
- MIST cable that will provide another link to South Asia transit sources

I suppose it is easier to blame the evil west and their multiculturalism than the fact that a lot of the existing cable systems west (ha ha) of Malaysia reaching EOL:

- FLAG is older 3G
- SAFE has less bandwidth than a port in MyIX
- SEA-ME-WE 3 has more downtime than SEA-ME-WE 5 cable and AAE-1 combined

There is a lack of capacity westward from SEA.

If you think it is challenging getting the necessary permissions and permits running submarine cables across South Asia and the Middle East, wait till you try and run terrestrial cable systems across sovereign countries.

As I said, if latency and route diversity is so important, you are free to get your own NSP and NFP licences, get your own ASN, and see how much China Unicom and Transtelecom charge you to use their ERA, ERMC, TEA, TRANSKZ, terrestrial cable systems.

But you wouldn't, not because it is cheaper to just re-route via East Asia and North America to Europe, but because it is easier blaming the evil multicultural communist west.
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QUOTE(haya @ May 6 2024, 06:42 AM)
This is Networks and Broadband, not /k or RWI.

I will leave these facts:

- India Asia Xpress (IAX) under construction by China Mobile and Reliance Jio
- PEACE Cable being built by HMN
- MIST cable that will provide another link to South Asia transit sources

I suppose it is easier to blame the evil west and their multiculturalism than the fact that a lot of the existing cable systems west (ha ha) of Malaysia reaching EOL:

- FLAG is older 3G
- SAFE has less bandwidth than a port in MyIX
- SEA-ME-WE 3 has more downtime than SEA-ME-WE 5 cable and AAE-1 combined

There is a lack of capacity westward from SEA.

If you think it is challenging getting the necessary permissions and permits running submarine cables across South Asia and the Middle East, wait till you try and run terrestrial cable systems across sovereign countries. 

As I said, if latency and route diversity is so important, you are free to get your own NSP and NFP licences, get your own ASN, and see how much China Unicom and Transtelecom charge you to use their ERA, ERMC, TEA, TRANSKZ, terrestrial cable systems.

But you wouldn't, not because it is cheaper to just re-route via East Asia and North America to Europe, but because it is easier blaming the evil multicultural communist west.
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You still don't get it do you?

When your rival already blatantly told you that you're a threat to be part of their global submarine cable build out and you don't want a backup plan to secure yourself in the event they blackmail you further in future by cutting you off entirely from the Indian Ocean route?

Do you think China and Russia is short of strategists that is unaware of this security threat?

They can't risk the entire Far East Asia region from being totally cut off from Europe by allowing other from pulling their legs.

About the high costs of securing this route, what response do you expect from China and Russia when previously you complained about them being a threat to your submarine cable consortium?

Of course they've going to counter you with a "nice" quotation bill as a nice way to tell you to get lost when you were the first to initiate the cold treatment of accusing them as a threat of joining your consortium.

Ever heard the childhood lesson story about the The Fox and The Stork? You get what you ask for.

Also why the suggestion of me setting up my own ASN when I'm just a mere consumer? I'm blushed to be suggested such solution.
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I don't get why enter into politics. As petpenyubobo says, we are mere consumers. We should have what we are paying. I'm paying fiber internet which should work when I load a website, regardless if the website is located in the USA, Europe or a remote island.

Right now all European websites and services are slow to load, specially in the afternoon/evening/night. I'm again complaining to TIME again today.

If we all complain, maybe they find out there is a problem and fix it
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Actually you are getting what you paid for. Broadband Service Level Agreement is best-effort, there is no clause gurantee on network latency or packet loss.

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