You are free to get your ASN, announce your own routes, and buy transit from RETN, Rostelecom, JSC TransTelecom, and China Telecom. Let me know how much they charge you.

There is a reason why despite the RJCN, it is cheaper to buy transit from Japan down to SEA, through South Asia, up the Red Sea, landing in Marseille, France, interconnect with TransTelecom (AS20485) in LINX, bounce over the Eurasia continent, to a host in Vladivostok.

If you think TM (Wholesale) cekik darah, wait till you see what Transtelecom charges for Eurasia Highway, and China Unicom charges for their side of the ERA terrestrial cable system.

This is Networks and Broadband, not /k or RWI.

I will leave these facts:

- India Asia Xpress (IAX) under construction by China Mobile and Reliance Jio
- PEACE Cable being built by HMN
- MIST cable that will provide another link to South Asia transit sources

I suppose it is easier to blame the evil west and their multiculturalism than the fact that a lot of the existing cable systems west (ha ha) of Malaysia reaching EOL:

- FLAG is older 3G
- SAFE has less bandwidth than a port in MyIX
- SEA-ME-WE 3 has more downtime than SEA-ME-WE 5 cable and AAE-1 combined

There is a lack of capacity westward from SEA.

If you think it is challenging getting the necessary permissions and permits running submarine cables across South Asia and the Middle East, wait till you try and run terrestrial cable systems across sovereign countries.

As I said, if latency and route diversity is so important, you are free to get your own NSP and NFP licences, get your own ASN, and see how much China Unicom and Transtelecom charge you to use their ERA, ERMC, TEA, TRANSKZ, terrestrial cable systems.

But you wouldn't, not because it is cheaper to just re-route via East Asia and North America to Europe, but because it is easier blaming the evil multicultural communist west.

One minute going through China and Central Asia is suppposedly the future to avoid being bargained by India and Middle East manipulating ME/South Asia routes to Europe through troubled Bengal and Middle East war regions.

Next Malaysian network providers are now apparently so powerful that they can tell China is "a threat to be part of their global submarine cable build out" and "being a threat to your submarine cable consortium".

Say that the evil rest of the world is " cutting off China entirely from the Indian Ocean route", but then India Asia Xpress (IAX) under construction by China Mobile and Reliance Jio, PEACE Cable being built by HMN, in the Indian Ocean region, after the geo-political shenanigans of SEA-ME-WE 6, so how?

This post has been edited by haya: May 6 2024, 03:52 PM

I have no issue with people lodging formal complaints with the respective network providers on reduced performance to Europe from Malaysia. But I'm not sure how much they can do when it will take time for submarine cableships to get to the location

And then deal with things like this: https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/2d5m1...me-we-5s-repair

No one is limited to access Europe based resources. I deal with workloads in the EU all the time. It is not 2006 when it was impossible to access after the Hengchun earthquake.

Increased latency because rerouting via East Asia and North America, yes. Increased packet loss, totally feel it. But as a "mere consumer" I have no control how AS4788 and AS9930 (who, let's be honest, just chucks all their packets down to Equinix Singapore for international transit to the wider internet) decides to deal with SEA-ME-WE 5 and AAE-1 being down.

That's because raspberrypi.org is behind Cloudflare:


raspberrypi.org may be physically hosted in Switzerland, but from a end user perspective they hit the closest Cloudflare edge node.

While downloads.raspberrypi.org is still hosted in the UK/not behind a CDN/accelerator:

Looks like SeaMeWe-5 has been fixed?