Anyone noticed that Malaysian European links have doubled in latency over weekend?

Funny thing is that if it is cable cut or severed, it should affect entire region but seems SG looks fine and not affected much even HK which is even further from Europe latency for them is even lower than us.



Why no announcement made or our network administrators still sleeping?

Is there something happening?

This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Jun 22 2024, 12:02 AM

Speeds seem not really affected but the latency can cause authentication failures, dropouts and captcha requests for suspicion.

Bangladesh Suffers Internet Outage after SEA-ME-WE 5 Cable Break
Telcos say that their mobile services remain unaffected
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/...-5-cable-break/



Cable breakdown happened somewhere between Malaysia-Singapore as mentioned in the news, but incident wasn't reported to public.

There seems to be a coverup and no party is coming out to admit it.

Access is to Europe is uninterrupted but latency has been increased by 2X from the average 230ms to now 400+ms.

EU latency is still very bad today.



All local ISPs who is partner of the SEA-ME-WE 5 undersea cable and uses TI-Sparkle (SEABONE) AS6762 is suffering from very bad EU latency at this moment including TM.

Palermo and Marseille are the 2 major cable landing sites (PoPs) in Europe for TI-Sparkle one in South Italy and the other South France.



Besides TM, both YES (AS45960) and U Mobile (AS38466) are big subscribers to TI-Sparkle. Expect bad EU connections when using them.

Celcom-DiGi are has the best EU connectivity now.

It happened somewhere between the stretch in between Melaka and Tuas.

The longer it takes the more it shows how incompetent and lousy our cable repair response team is. Bad reputation for the country.

Even Bangladesh reported this incident in their news but ours just kept quiet about it.

Why spend more then on an internet connection?

As long as it has good uptime, gets the job done with good speed will do for most of us.

400ms+ average now to EU major destinations. Some close to 500ms inwards such as Switzerland and Austria.

I'm actually very worried about what is going on right now with no official announcement being made or news about this.

Take a good look at this table and tell me is this a big issue and cannot be easily solved?



Logic thinking will tell you that a simply VPN connection to India, Dubai (UAE) or even Israel will solved this problem. But check out yourself and do a ping to India servers, the pings are even WORST than connecting to Europe itself.

500ms+ from Malaysia to India. Other unaffected destinations such as UAE, Israel all cut off too?

What is happening? Is there a cyber terrorism going on without the public knowledge to cut Malaysia and ASEAN region out from Europe?

Mind you a single undersea cable breakdown between Malaysia and Singapore wouldn't cause this. We have so many other major undersea cables that lands in both SG and Penang FYI.

In Penang alone, there's 4 major cables that links direct to India namely:

SAFE-South Africa Far East Cable
FLAG-Europe-Asia
BBG-Bay of Bengal
AAE1-Asia Africa Europe 1

Also many VPN companies have recently removed physical India servers without any explanation. They virtualized its location that is actually routed from somewhere else like HK.

Something really fishy is cooking here....

A single undersea cable SEA-WE-ME 5 won't have such impact and the easy solutions to reroute to India, plenty of other major cables that link SG and Penang to India/Middle East into Europe.

This is not just a few ISPs that are are affected with bad ASN routings in Malaysia.

It's even affecting major ones in SG including Cogent, M247, OVH, Google and NTT.

We have this many submarine cables in this region that could easily reroute to India/Middle East to reach Europe so just a single SEA-WE-ME 5 cable being taken down won't impact the entire region.



This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Apr 26 2024, 06:28 PM

Just look at the latency results from places in the Far East such as Tokyo, Hangzhou and Shanghai to Europe.

Shanghai to Amsterdam only 190ms+?

Malu leh for ASEAN region to be close to 400ms.

It's time to reconsider bypassing the troubled Bengal and Middle East war regions and venturing into alternative paths such as the Silk Road, Central Asia and Russia to reach Europe.

Too risky to be overly dependent on those Middle East and India regions to reach Europe.

This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Apr 27 2024, 02:42 PM

RETN's TransKZ Terrestrial Land Based Cable Network - Dostyk-HK



TEA-Trans East Asia Europe Terrestrial Cable



So what really happened to the SEA-ME-WE 5 cable and AAE-1 cable which controls >80% of ASEAN-Europe region traffic? Shark bitten? So coincident?
It's a week now, nothing much about how the incident occurred and no official press release and its details.

While we allow this risks of being bargained by India and Middle East? Nope I don't think so.

Russia, China and Central Asia is proven more reliable route to gain access into Western Europe.

Can't risk silly excuses about shark attacking cables, wrongly lowered anchors by ships and octopus messing with the cables nonsense. Faster retrieval and repairs too.

I'm not making a fuss or trying to be dramatic here with my fingers crossed.

There is indeed serious politics and rivalry here among US/Bharat against China at work here.

The construction of the upcoming SMW6 cable consortium initially wanted Huawei Marine Networks(HMN) to supply and build the undersea cable but later was rejected due to their uneasiness with China.

It is important for ASEAN region not to be overly dependent on any side so that we will not be held at ransom in future by certain parties without an alternative.

Two Chinese Operators Withdraw from Sea-Me-We 6 Subsea Cable Project As Tensions with US Grow
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/...s-with-us-grow/

In retaliation and to ensure the security of Trans Europe-Asia connectivity to have full monopoly of the access to Europe, China Mobile and China Unicom is making efforts to link Far East Asia via Central Asia/Siberia to reach European shores securely bypassing the risky religious war prone regions of ME/South Asia.

One initiative not made known much to public is the SEA-H2X Cable which is currently slated to be in operation later this year with a design capacity of 160Tbps linking HK, Hainan Island, Songkhla, Kuching and Tuas Singapore.



https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/2aafg...e-subsea-bridge

It's being built by HMN (Huawei Marine Networks) with a consortium consisting of China Mobile, China Unicom, ppTelecom(Sarawakian initiative)

This will link into CMI HK's Tseung Kwan O datacentre and SG's Tuas landing Equinix SG3/Global Switch

Via HK, this will route into China(Silk Road) - Central Asia across Trans Siberia/Russia into Europe bypassing the need of over reliance of the risky Middle East/South Asia war torn regions via terrestrial land cables.

Beijing/Hangzhou/Shanghai remains unaffected by the SMW 5 cable incident with an average latency to Europe just below 200ms(Mainland)/250ms(Tokyo).



In comparison the next SEA-ME-WE addition SMW6 only has 126Tbps initial design capacity so this is even more interesting.

If there was an alternative link or competing network, you see how fast they'll resolve it?

This is a good lesson to ASEAN and Far East Asian countries not to rely on the Middle East and South Asian countries to reach Europe.

They've been playing politics and blaming China to prevent them from helping build the submarine cables instead award to their own companies to monopolize the trade.

All the recent SMW undersea cables have this controversy.

Managed to get good routing with a help of M247/31173's European servers. For the past 2 weeks my latency to Europe major cities was able to be lowered down to 230-260ms.

I actually don't have Mullvad VPN. But I know it's using 31173 AB as one of its hosting carrier partners.

Can't disclose my exact solution entirely here for prying eyes.

This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: May 5 2024, 01:21 PM

I can't hint any further not because I'm selfish but to avoid zergs from rushing into the solution and spoiling it all.

No offense ya.

I have already gave enough hints previously with RETN's Trans Siberia/Central Asia-China links, M247/31173 Europe routing.

The rest you have to figure out a way how to utilize them.

rezzorix Yes, Mullvad is one of the VPN providers which is using 31173 AB based servers out there...But I don't have an account with them. They're among one of the most expensive VPN service out there but not the only solution.

Nope, DNS has very little effect unless the site you're accessing has extensive CDN mirror servers around the world.

Its purpose is to translate a web address to an IP of a server that belongs to the network/webpage you're accessing.

The use of CDNs is to balanced out the traffic and equally distribute them in different regions instead of forwarding all traffic to just one server serving the entire visitors pool around the world.

It's like say a website has mirror CDN servers in SG, London and New York.

If you're accessing from Malaysia, when you request for "example.com" for instance, it'll point you to its SG server's IP which is the nearest and with the fastest latency.But that is sometimes conditional, if all the 3 servers have their own localized contents such as Netflix/Disney you might want to access the other regions servers when you send request for the website or the SG server may be over-congested so you want to try other less congested servers in other regions.

This is where the secured geo-based DNS server comes into picture, they'll force resolve the address to the specific regional server's IP which is in their own region like for example a Malaysian user using a European secured DNS, it'll point to European Netflix server instead even if your ISP is based in Asia.

Most of the free public DNS which we are using won't have special features like the example use mentioned above, where it forces your address requests to be pointed to a specific regional server outside your physical location. It still depends on your ISP's routing and upload capacity to ensure smooth transfers/latency to other regions.

Not with the geo-politics games now the West are playing to manipulate the ME/South Asia routes to Europe.

The threat and possibility to bypass these regions as an alternative for Far East Asia(Japan-SKorea-China)is becoming a reality.

Not just with submarine cables but also sea routes being replaced with land transport. Too risky for them to hold you under ransom during emergencies when you become too overdependent on just one route.

~240ms only to Western Europe during peak hours on a Sunday night.

You still don't get it do you?

When your rival already blatantly told you that you're a threat to be part of their global submarine cable build out and you don't want a backup plan to secure yourself in the event they blackmail you further in future by cutting you off entirely from the Indian Ocean route?

Do you think China and Russia is short of strategists that is unaware of this security threat?

They can't risk the entire Far East Asia region from being totally cut off from Europe by allowing other from pulling their legs.

About the high costs of securing this route, what response do you expect from China and Russia when previously you complained about them being a threat to your submarine cable consortium?

Of course they've going to counter you with a "nice" quotation bill as a nice way to tell you to get lost when you were the first to initiate the cold treatment of accusing them as a threat of joining your consortium.

Ever heard the childhood lesson story about the The Fox and The Stork? You get what you ask for.

Also why the suggestion of me setting up my own ASN when I'm just a mere consumer? I'm blushed to be suggested such solution.