For some reason, double posted.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Apr 16 2024, 10:36 PM

Don't worry , be happy.. I think more and more mobo maker will include something like Intel DEFAULT setting to help users trobleshoot their PC issue(if any).
Since, Asus already Introduce "Intel Baseline Profile option " in their latest BIOS..it is a positive move, I think..

although u have to choose between Stability or Performance ..
https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1781481593972129929

p/s: IMHO, I think even gen 12nd and some of the non-K might also face similar issue. (that's just my personal thought, don't quote me please).

This post has been edited by hashtag2016: Apr 20 2024, 01:35 PM

So far no stability issues with my PL2 unleashed nonK 12700F. Been running for 1.5 years with my Asrock B660M PG Riptide mobo. In games it doesnt really hit its maxed turbo power limit so Im still contemplating if to do BCLK OC to hit 12700K speeds.

And the one gets fooled by them both, is the consumers themselves. This is just how these companies play the market.

u mean Intel purposely release shit product to Let AMD Lead the Market?

also like how Tesla produce less value Higher priced EV compare BYD to let it grow bigger?

Im glad i went with amd am5

Considered getting 12/13th gen i5 1X400 chip...

But the no upgrade path after 14th gen made me reconsidered.

am5 got its own problem as well

For me..hvnt encountered any..

I think it is a good feature lah.. although not everybody need to use it..
At least if sb think their build got some stable issue even without turn on XMP, then they can straight forward turn on this switch .
and if the problem still persist, then they can straight forward go to claim warranty(this only just my opinion) , no need to gaduh with the PC shop or any Seller..

Anyway, we still need to wait the officer investigation result from intel, to see if they find anything interesting..

This post has been edited by hashtag2016: Apr 21 2024, 08:21 PM

Futureproofing is fallacy. Recall the AM4 300series to 400series issues and also their limited growth (no PCIE4, no USB 3.2) by todays standards even if you can technically still "upgrade" with newer CPU.

AM5 1st gen is held back by limited DDR5 speeds. This will fast gets old as DDR5 tech matures and speeds goes over 10k.

Do not buy for something you think might happen future, just buy for the best today.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 21 2024, 10:21 PM

Not sure what XMP gotta do with it. Whether Ksku or nonK both can run XMP at default settings (with right mobo), and the issues are more towards people running their CPUS way over default power limit settings due to their mobos auto set to OC mode when detect Ksku installed.

XMP is memory overclocking.. it may or may not cause some of the stability issue.
To rule that out ,of course , we need to turn XMP off while troubleshooting stable issue.

For people who think their cpu is fine, of couse they can do whatever they want on their own pc..

ARM and RISC-V isn't too far behind

If both AMD and Intel keep making mistake they will become history

ARM maybe, but RISC-V, tired of YT headline RISC-V is the future for many years already.
seems like only intel make mistake while AMD make money.

AMD mistake is keeping AM5 prices too f**king high, HUB recently did a review and their basement budget Mobos are basically all crap so you cannot do a budget build with AM5 either, which is why AM4 is still hanging around and not getting replaced as it was supposed to be. This is a failure from product marketing POV.

And for a fabless maker, they also failed to prioritise software side of the CPU leading to systems being less stable (DOCP/EXPO, CCD priority) than Intel build (who still has to run a fab business). In that regards, heck even Nvidia has better grip on their various software ecosystems for other uses of their GPU.

Both have their faults and surprising it is Apple, another fabless brand, that is showing how to design CPU hardware with their superb M2 Ultra, with near flawless software integration. And then there is ARM...

Apple, ARM > Intel, AMD

All you AMD & Intel fanbois can balik rumah cry

not an AMD & intel fan boi
this year ARM laptop from qualcomm will hit the market (again), see how it goes.

i like macOS, but i dont like apple.

Never had an Apple product whatsoever and never figured I will ever need one but I can appreciate their innovations to push electronics design boundaries down to the CPU arch itself. I just dont agree Apple pricing for such innovations.

their logic is to control hardware and software.
last time hardware depend on others, now they able to control/design it.
apple aside, on windows x86_64 still better than ARM and RISC-V.

It is a roller coaster ride.

Precisely, Apple Silicon is using AMRv8 architecture, it's part of the ARM family,

ARM can be designed and produced without much restriction like x86, even if AMD got brought up by other corp they cant continue to produce Zen like AMD.

not to mention Top500 supercomputer top 1st place was once using ARM processor made by fujitsu.
Amazon AWS server now use their own AWS graviton cpu also using ARM too.

Qualcomm just need to get their things done and need mass adoptions from big software vendor, get more game developers support and produce binary that works with the cpu without emulation.
it will take years, but probably worth the wait and x86 cpu will become secondary choice and slowly become thing in the past.

it's inevitable, then the consumer market will have cpu made by various vendors, not just AMD/Intel anymore.