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post Apr 20 2024, 01:32 PM

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Don't worry , be happy.. I think more and more mobo maker will include something like Intel DEFAULT setting to help users trobleshoot their PC issue(if any).
Since, Asus already Introduce "Intel Baseline Profile option " in their latest BIOS..it is a positive move, I think.. brows.gif

although u have to choose between Stability or Performance .. drool.gif
https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1781481593972129929

p/s: IMHO, I think even gen 12nd and some of the non-K might also face similar issue. (that's just my personal thought, don't quote me please). brows.gif brows.gif

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post Apr 21 2024, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 20 2024, 09:41 PM)
So far no stability issues with my PL2 unleashed nonK 12700F. Been running for 1.5 years with my Asrock B660M PG Riptide mobo. In games it doesnt really hit its maxed turbo power limit so Im still contemplating if to do BCLK OC to hit 12700K speeds.
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I think it is a good feature lah.. although not everybody need to use it..
At least if sb think their build got some stable issue even without turn on XMP, then they can straight forward turn on this switch .
and if the problem still persist, then they can straight forward go to claim warranty(this only just my opinion) , no need to gaduh with the PC shop or any Seller.. brows.gif icon_idea.gif

Anyway, we still need to wait the officer investigation result from intel, to see if they find anything interesting.. hmm.gif

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post Apr 21 2024, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 21 2024, 10:20 PM)
Not sure what XMP gotta do with it. Whether Ksku or nonK both can run XMP at default settings (with right mobo), and the issues are more towards people running their CPUS way over default power limit settings due to their mobos auto set to OC mode when detect Ksku installed.
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XMP is memory overclocking.. it may or may not cause some of the stability issue.
To rule that out ,of course , we need to turn XMP off while troubleshooting stable issue.

For people who think their cpu is fine, of couse they can do whatever they want on their own pc.. brows.gif

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post Apr 23 2024, 06:38 PM

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qualcomm is overated, wait for Malaysia 1st AI chip...B.I.J.A.K. (Business Intelligence Job Analytics Keystone) rclxms.gif rclxms.gif



(just kidding...) brows.gif  brows.gif

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post May 2 2024, 01:58 PM

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refer: https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-releases-t...ty-issue-update

13th and 14th Generation K SKU Processor Instability Issue Update
Intel® has observed that this issue may be related to out of specification operating conditions resulting in sustained high voltage and frequency during periods of elevated heat.
Analysis of affected processors shows some parts experience shifts in minimum operating voltages which may be related to operation outside of Intel® specified operating conditions.

While the root cause has not yet been identified, Intel® has observed the majority of reports of this issue are from users with unlocked/overclock capable motherboards.
Intel® has observed 600/700 Series chipset boards often set BIOS defaults to disable thermal and power delivery safeguards designed to limit processor exposure to sustained periods of high voltage and frequency, for example:
– Disabling Current Excursion Protection (CEP)
– Enabling the IccMax Unlimited bit
– Disabling Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) and/or Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (eTVB)
– Additional settings which may increase the risk of system instability:
– Disabling C-states
– Using Windows Ultimate Performance mode
– Increasing PL1 and PL2 beyond Intel® recommended limits
Intel® requests system and motherboard manufacturers to provide end users with a default BIOS profile that matches Intel® recommended settings.

Intel® strongly recommends customer’s default BIOS settings should ensure operation within Intel’s recommended settings.
In addition, Intel® strongly recommends motherboard manufacturers to implement warnings for end users alerting them to any unlocked or overclocking feature usage.
Intel® is continuing to actively investigate this issue to determine the root cause and will provide additional updates as relevant information becomes available.

Intel® will be publishing a public statement regarding issue status and Intel® recommended BIOS setting recommendations targeted for May 2024.


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post May 9 2024, 03:31 AM

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To be fair, I don't think 7800X3D cases affect much people, since it was very expensive by that time, not many people bought it ,and the problem was solved fast .
The intel issue affect more widely, and cause more 'brain' damage, although it seems not deadly so far.. drool.gif

p/s: I think people already given Intel special vip treatment, not may posts was created. if this intel inccident were happen on AMD, cannot imaging how many posts and threads will be created from those angry users.. brows.gif

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post May 9 2024, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ May 9 2024, 10:42 AM)
most people in here give intel special treatment only biggrin.gif
out of this circle u will see a lot of criticisms on how intel is handling the situation and the criticisms are warranted.

they were the one who let mobo vendors loose in an attempt to gain upper hand on fps regardless of it consuming 300+W...then kpkb about mobo vendors when chips started degrading. a few years ago they said unlocking power limits was in-spec and wasn't counted as overclocking during an interview with anandtech. the unlimited PLs have been here for years now.

don't forget this new "intel baseline profile" has a legitimate performance hit across all workloads.

conversely, if this incident happens on AMD, I predict the hoo haas will still be lesser than intended simply because many people still regard them as underdogs. whataboutism will be brought into the conversation. all in all both sides also gt fanboys. better just buy what suits you best.
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"intel baseline profile" no more, say hello to "Intel Default Settings" brows.gif
seems that , the beta bios that provided "intel baseline profile" is taken down from gigabyte website. drool.gif

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Intel Issues Official Statement Regarding 14th and 13th Gen Instability, Recommends Intel Default Settings
by Gavin Bonshor on May 8, 2024 10:05 AM EST
https://www.anandtech.com/show/21389/intel-...efault-settings

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Several motherboard manufacturers have released BIOS profiles labeled ‘Intel Baseline Profile’. However, these BIOS profiles are not the same as the 'Intel Default Settings' recommendations that Intel has recently shared with its partners regarding the instability issues reported on 13th and 14th gen K SKU processors.

These ‘Intel Baseline Profile’ BIOS settings appear to be based on power delivery guidance previously provided by Intel to manufacturers describing the various power delivery options for 13th and 14th Generation K SKU processors based on motherboard capabilities.

Intel is not recommending motherboard manufacturers to use ‘baseline’ power delivery settings on boards capable of higher values.

Intel’s recommended ‘Intel Default Settings’ are a combination of thermal and power delivery features along with a selection of possible power delivery profiles based on motherboard capabilities.

Intel recommends customers to implement the highest power delivery profile compatible with each individual motherboard design as noted in the table below:
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Intel Issues New Statement Regarding 13th, 14th Gen Core i9 Instability Issues
The new statement addresses the consumers, and not the motherboard vendors.
BY JOHN LAW MAY 9, 2024
https://www.lowyat.net/2024/322056/intel-ne...-13th-14th-gen/

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post May 10 2024, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 9 2024, 08:12 PM)
Brother, 7800X3d is in the same segment & just as pricy or even less than 13900K  & 14900K lar. It didnt affect many bcoz AMD failed to sell as much due to pricing topkek fail. That itself has failed potential buyers at the front gate. In terms of percentage users failure then it could mean that more percentage of AMD users were affected compared to Intel.

AMD problem did NOT solve fast. It took them many burnt CPUS & a whole month to come out with a non buggy Agesa bios to set it back to baseline voltage.

So stop trying to defend them fanboi. Each of them when there is hardware failure they are responsible. When mobos overspec the CPU mobo makers are responsible.
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U can have ur own different opinion on the matter or the product. (this is what's forum exist for)
but suka suka shout out fanbois this fanbios that, it is not nice... hmm.gif devil.gif

Seems that intel will pulish a officer announcement this month, so they do know how serious the issue is. icon_idea.gif

p/s: I only mention the that x3d burning issue after sb had mention about it , although it is simply unrelated issue to the topic. brows.gif

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post May 11 2024, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 11 2024, 03:36 PM)
Lol fanbois & haters kena burn by the truth so you folks dont like it, well tough. Yes you can voice your opinion but to do that and conveniently ignore that others have opinion is just meant your a fanboi.

Intel will release an official reply, just as AMD did with their own CPU burn case, that is given.

Stop with the pissing posts then maybe people will have respect what you say.
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so what is your problem anyway, which posts pissing u? mind to explain? brows.gif devil.gif

p/s: Intel screw up their face is not our problem, we r consumer only... brows.gif

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post May 11 2024, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 11 2024, 04:10 PM)
Fully agree with you, without being tied to X86 legacy, Apple could wipe the slate with a new CPU design and they clearly showed what real modern CPU uarch could do current manufacturing process. Both Intel/AMD X86 will need some newfangled complex & expensive SOC layout or exotic materials to push speeds higher and all that just to match even current M3/M4 that is made on the same matured process.

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I dont fully agree on the reason why Apple charges that much, while yes their CPU SOC is much larger the cost to make is not exponentially like what you pay. Apple charges waterfish prices simple bcoz its an Apple. And for the sheer volume their CPU costing per unit isnt that all much different as these will be inside iphones too.
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x86 is important legacy, an important one. I would rather it stay than gone.
If x86 no no more.. very likely pc diy no more. innocent.gif
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post May 11 2024, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 11 2024, 05:30 PM)
Look back at your own postings to know. You made your opinion, okay, so just leave it or else your just trolling here
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what post, I have many posts recently..nothing special so far.. brows.gif mega_shok.gif

 

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