for now. microsoft is currently betting on snapdragon x elite for their Windows on ARM. snapdragon x elite does look promising.

however, x86-64 may not be going anywhere soon despite the rising popularity of RISC-based instruction set architectures (ISAs).

the reason why windows still requiring x86-64 (for now) is because they have a lot of legacy codes that are dependent on x86 ISA. many wizards we use in windows today can be dated back to win95. this is why x86-64 hangs around for so long -- backwards compatibility for the past 20+ years. hell even intel 8086-based software can run on modern x86 CPUs with little tweaking. people may attribute better efficiency to ARM, but it really matter not on the difference in ISAs, but how CPU vendors are pushing at which direction while designing their CPUs. for so long both AMD and Intel been pushing towards high performance (both of them compete in high performance computing while having a lower priority on battery life), while Qualcomm and Apple have been pushing for efficiency (both of them compete in mobile space and therefore having handful of experience on low power operations).

a good read of RISC vs CISC if you're into a bit of technicality: https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/07/13/arm-o...-doesnt-matter/
if u don't already know, x86-64 is CISC-based while ARM and RISC-V are RISC-based

i agree with you. lets see how SD X Elite fare against intel/amd on laptop and its performance against M3 SoC.

then again, it still limited to laptop/mobile.
power user still depend on high end desktop.

Windows on ARM have been tried before and failed (see Windows RT). Mainly coz no backwards portability of current vast Windows software library to ARM, so those who buys Windows ARM PC were disappointed they cannot run their usual softwares.
For Windows ARM to be success they need to have easy portability or majority ARM compatible softwares ready from Day1.

In short, qualcomm just need to butt in to kick both x86 player awake, just remember what happened to the high end cpu still in quad fcking cores when AMD still underdog

PC space need competition, duopoly is bad

qualcomm is overated, wait for Malaysia 1st AI chip...B.I.J.A.K. (Business Intelligence Job Analytics Keystone)



(just kidding...)  

This post has been edited by hashtag2016: Apr 23 2024, 06:39 PM

Its not that easy. Still limited to process nodes. Why would Intel and AMD push power usage up to 90-95C depending on cooling? Its physical limitations. Die shrinks becoming increasingly more difficult as well. Unless someone comes out with a new material for the processors.

They should design better architecture then, node shrink can only improve thermal and power efficiency,
One of the issue is lack of optimization, your program take longer time to complete instead of running efficiently,

A lot of programs already shifted their load to gpu, eg web canvas, 3d rendering, font rendering already runs on gpu, video playback, image post processing filters, etc, they're much faster on gpu and freed a lot of resources.
Better coded program would use both CPU and gpu, but it's very rare 😕

Last major breakthrough is Sandy Bridge. Its been a while. Today, Intel is still behind when comes to the hardware. They still able to keep up. Just with a lot more power.

There are candidates for new materials. Like 100Ghz nanocarbon I think. I think no one able to get it stable.

Lots of things to consider too. Now we have a lot of hackers cracking it. Security patch usually nerfs the processors.

Arguably Alderlake is also a major breakthru being the 1st consumer big.little hybrid X86 CPU, next breakthru would be Lunarlake with proper tiled design desktop CPU.

refer: https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-releases-t...ty-issue-update

13th and 14th Generation K SKU Processor Instability Issue Update
Intel® has observed that this issue may be related to out of specification operating conditions resulting in sustained high voltage and frequency during periods of elevated heat.
Analysis of affected processors shows some parts experience shifts in minimum operating voltages which may be related to operation outside of Intel® specified operating conditions.

While the root cause has not yet been identified, Intel® has observed the majority of reports of this issue are from users with unlocked/overclock capable motherboards.
Intel® has observed 600/700 Series chipset boards often set BIOS defaults to disable thermal and power delivery safeguards designed to limit processor exposure to sustained periods of high voltage and frequency, for example:
– Disabling Current Excursion Protection (CEP)
– Enabling the IccMax Unlimited bit
– Disabling Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) and/or Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (eTVB)
– Additional settings which may increase the risk of system instability:
– Disabling C-states
– Using Windows Ultimate Performance mode
– Increasing PL1 and PL2 beyond Intel® recommended limits
Intel® requests system and motherboard manufacturers to provide end users with a default BIOS profile that matches Intel® recommended settings.

Intel® strongly recommends customer’s default BIOS settings should ensure operation within Intel’s recommended settings.
In addition, Intel® strongly recommends motherboard manufacturers to implement warnings for end users alerting them to any unlocked or overclocking feature usage.
Intel® is continuing to actively investigate this issue to determine the root cause and will provide additional updates as relevant information becomes available.

Intel® will be publishing a public statement regarding issue status and Intel® recommended BIOS setting recommendations targeted for May 2024.

This post has been edited by hashtag2016: May 2 2024, 02:00 PM

Intel's current problems are alot more serious than the teething problems AMD had with Ryzen. The early Ryzens had memory incompatibility/instability with took some bios updates to resolve. The 5000 series had the USB dropout issue. Now Intel probably has more memory incompatibility/instability issues than Ryzen putting aside the problems with voltage/power.

Someone at chiphell took the time to organise testing of hundreds of intel 13/14th gen cpus and found very poor stability at auto out of the box settings. If 5/10 13th gen and 2/10 14th gen managed to pass, its a clear sign that its complete garbage and not just a few bad apples.
https://wccftech.com/only-5-out-of-10-core-...ability-issues/

Performance takes a hit as expected with Intels baseline bios fix - "This is reported to be up to -30% in multi-threaded applications and up to -15% in games which is quite big".
Hardware unboxed ran gaming benchmarks with the new bios fix and the performance hit was 10%-20%. IIRC 20% was the perf hit for low 1% fps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdF5erDRO-c&t=520s


And then you have to consider Intel's current issues with the Meltdown bug. The last downfall patch supposedly had a big performance hit on older cpus, up to 39%.

This post has been edited by imbibug: May 4 2024, 11:33 PM

AMD do sell lowest binned of garbage chip as well ... not to mention there is also EXPO problem with Ryzen

From my experience with both platform, memory OC / stability definitely is better on Intel than AMD.



This post has been edited by stella_purple: May 5 2024, 07:30 AM

Nope. Last year, AMD was even worse.



Kills itself and the mobo! Fire hazard!

This post has been edited by TristanX: May 5 2024, 09:43 AM

AMD fanbois conveniently forgot that their Ryzen had its own CPU failure before Intel did?
https://www.lowyat.net/2023/299165/amd-ryze...800x3d-burnout/

I just love how in that previous case was Intel fanbois pissing on AMD and today we have AMD fanbois pissing on Intel. Well guess what guys from both camps, both AMD & Intel have their share of hardware design failures. Its to be expected when humans are to design things that are billions in scalar and even the best human effort will still have that 0.001% failure which WILL HAPPEN considering how many CPUS they sell.

So to those fanbois from both camps just chill out, any issue that are under warranty will he resolved thru RMA, its not end of the world for you. And once you have calmed down here is a good read for you guys
https://hwbusters.com/freestyle/are-you-sti...cle-is-for-you/

To be fair, I don't think 7800X3D cases affect much people, since it was very expensive by that time, not many people bought it ,and the problem was solved fast .
The intel issue affect more widely, and cause more 'brain' damage, although it seems not deadly so far..

p/s: I think people already given Intel special vip treatment, not may posts was created. if this intel inccident were happen on AMD, cannot imaging how many posts and threads will be created from those angry users..

This post has been edited by hashtag2016: May 9 2024, 03:42 AM

most people in here give intel special treatment only
out of this circle u will see a lot of criticisms on how intel is handling the situation and the criticisms are warranted.

they were the one who let mobo vendors loose in an attempt to gain upper hand on fps regardless of it consuming 300+W...then kpkb about mobo vendors when chips started degrading. a few years ago they said unlocking power limits was in-spec and wasn't counted as overclocking during an interview with anandtech. the unlimited PLs have been here for years now.

don't forget this new "intel baseline profile" has a legitimate performance hit across all workloads.

conversely, if this incident happens on AMD, I predict the hoo haas will still be lesser than intended simply because many people still regard them as underdogs. whataboutism will be brought into the conversation. all in all both sides also gt fanboys. better just buy what suits you best.

"intel baseline profile" no more, say hello to "Intel Default Settings"
seems that , the beta bios that provided "intel baseline profile" is taken down from gigabyte website.

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Intel Issues Official Statement Regarding 14th and 13th Gen Instability, Recommends Intel Default Settings
by Gavin Bonshor on May 8, 2024 10:05 AM EST
https://www.anandtech.com/show/21389/intel-...efault-settings

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Intel Issues New Statement Regarding 13th, 14th Gen Core i9 Instability Issues
The new statement addresses the consumers, and not the motherboard vendors.
BY JOHN LAW MAY 9, 2024
https://www.lowyat.net/2024/322056/intel-ne...-13th-14th-gen/

This post has been edited by hashtag2016: May 9 2024, 04:37 PM

Brother, 7800X3d is in the same segment & just as pricy or even less than 13900K & 14900K lar. It didnt affect many bcoz AMD failed to sell as much due to pricing topkek fail. That itself has failed potential buyers at the front gate. In terms of percentage users failure then it could mean that more percentage of AMD users were affected compared to Intel.

AMD problem did NOT solve fast. It took them many burnt CPUS & a whole month to come out with a non buggy Agesa bios to set it back to baseline voltage.

So stop trying to defend them fanboi. Each of them when there is hardware failure they are responsible. When mobos overspec the CPU mobo makers are responsible.

U can have ur own different opinion on the matter or the product. (this is what's forum exist for)
but suka suka shout out fanbois this fanbios that, it is not nice...

Seems that intel will pulish a officer announcement this month, so they do know how serious the issue is.

p/s: I only mention the that x3d burning issue after sb had mention about it , although it is simply unrelated issue to the topic.

This post has been edited by hashtag2016: May 10 2024, 11:51 PM

amd one was do or die... since it burn out.
inhell gonna affect for life..