Around the 10th gen or so, Intel seems to be juicing up their cpus in order to look competitive with Ryzen cpus.

And Intel has done this sort of thing in the past, just not to the extent of what is going on now.

This problem has just gotten way worse since. The current 13th/14th gen cpus will be degraded at stock settings because Intel has ridiculously high power limits. The default limits are already very high and the 'extreme' ICCmax for 150W TDP 13th/14th gen cpus is 400A is clearly crazy high. The average pc builder or gamer is not going to know that leaving the settings at default will degrade their cpus permanently in a few short months.

Recently Nvidia pushed back by telling users with Raptor Lake cpus to contact Intel after getting "out of video memory" errors.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...t-intel-support
And even worse, it looks like the Raptor Lake cpus have degraded in a few months to a point where crashing occurs.
https://www.lowyat.net/2024/320284/gamers-r...-cpus-en-masse/

Sad to see how Intel sunk to to the level where they are putting the blame on mobo manufacturers for not enforcing limits LOWER than their own specs for long term reliability.

intel is history.
Zen is da future.

Yes...and I have to downvolt + limit power for my 14700k to prevent high temperature...cilaka

In fact AMD CPU and GPU now is the best performance/price. If not because of Intel's good marketing...

This post has been edited by Duckies: Apr 15 2024, 03:12 PM

If You live long enough....

Crazy Power consumption, High temperature, slow = AMD.
Bulldozer... fx-8350...

AMD is the New Intel.
Intel now is the Old AMD.


Decided to olff-load intel....
( shorting NVIDIA moment is coming )

big reduction in performance? Or generally not noticeable?

The 14700 is not a bad cpu, its just that Intel wants to win and be no. 1 at everything at any cost it seems. Lowering the PL1/PL2/Icc is not going destroy performance, its still going to be good and generate alot less heat.

Not noticeable when I did benchmarking but the temperature reduction is a lot. From going over 100c and gets thermal throttled before the manual tuning to around 90c after tuning. And this is with AIO some more.

Exactly but the problem is general consumer don't know or won't know about these things...they just want to use it out of the box and seeing this kind of temperature will scare the shit out of them. In fact it scares the shit out of me the first time I saw the temperature also.

This post has been edited by Duckies: Apr 15 2024, 03:33 PM

Time to buy AMD stock or better to top up NVDA?

Whoever buys i9 purely for games really got more money than sense. Its more of a HEDT CPU and if you want proper gaming CPU go for i7 which doesnt seem to be affected.

Anyways both teams are not being honest with their power draws of course Intel is much worse simply because their silicon quality allows Kskus to draw more power than spec but its also mobo maker fault for actually pushing the CPU beyond reasonable limits when removing power limiters.

Its basically Ksku CPU is a car without brakes and then certain particular mobo makers removing RPM limiter too. What happens? The car will go as fast as it physically can until it crashes, the same goes for an unlimited CPU too, it figuratively crashes.

Will it degrade the CPU? Yes eventually but unless your running 24/7 at the max turbo limit constantly it shouldnt die so soon. Games typically dont even run CPU to its max capacity unless theres some weird missmatch combo to hit a hard CPU bottleneck.

You use O11 fish tank case sure will easily overheat coz these cases have pisspoor airflow. Get a Lancool3 with the same parts inside and temps will be much different

Buy ARM or Qualcomm stocks. Their CPU destroys both X86 in terms of power efficiency. ARM is the future.

Fish tank case more cantik At first I want to for O11 Vision some more...that 1 the airflow lagi teruk

You traded performance for looks so dont complain lar

In fish tanks you cannot push to the max so its really a balance of keeping temps in check just for the looks. For such usage I would prefer nonK CPU less temp headaches.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 15 2024, 05:52 PM

Read the Tom's Hardware news properly. 4096W is not Intel official power limit. 253W is for 13900K and 14900K. Motherboard vendors pushing too much performance on already "overclocked" chips.

You don't need power limit removed to get the most out of their chips too.


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-co...-14900k/18.html

It can be tuned to be very efficient too.


This post has been edited by TristanX: Apr 15 2024, 07:26 PM

Haha it's not the best but certainly not the worst. In fact can still put 7 case fans + 3 fans for AIO ma

Also don't really need to push the CPU to the max since game nowadays are heavily on GPU itself...so can maintain balance between temperature and performance for the CPU already cukup makan

This post has been edited by Duckies: Apr 15 2024, 09:50 PM

actually AMD GPU is the one with best price/performance ratio, but CPU wise it's a tie with Intel. Intel still slightly edges out in lower tier ones.
I went Intel because 7950X and 7950X3D were more expensive than 13900K...and all X670 mobos costed both arms and a left nut

Whether or not the i9 is overpowered for games is beside the point. The user might be using for other programs other than games.
There are more reports that 13th and 14th gen get degraded from the factory settings even under normal use.
"However, despite all the power they wield, gamers in South Korea were returning them en masse, all because of a problem arising through the fighting game Tekken 8......
Other reports point to a combination of a 13900K or 14900K with and the top-tier RTX 4090 inducing crashes in-game, just a few months after being assembled or paired together."

I wasn't referring to to THW about the official power limit. Intel's early review sample NDA document said >253W for PL1/PL2 and about 400A for icc-max for their 'extreme profile'. Even the default 253W stock limit seems to be in overclocking territory for 125W tdp chips.

There is way too many reports of instability/chips degraded for 13/14th gen cpus, and some of them happening even after setting stock Intel power limits.
The Zen 4 cpus seems to do better in apps other than gaming but the big difference is in long term stability and reliability. Being abit slower is a ton better than unusable unstable cpu thats prematurely degraded.

Degradation happened at 4096W I guess. The damage already done. Won't fix the issue even when they go back to stock limits.

I have bad experience with Ryzen 7 1700 and 5900X. No issue with 2700X and 3900X. For AMD setups, never buy it at launch. We will be beta testers due to not enough testing. Bugs will still be present. 5900X being my worst and I used it for one year. You can get potato chips if you are unlucky.



One of the cases...
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5022425

This post has been edited by TristanX: Apr 16 2024, 10:35 PM