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post Nov 30 2023, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 30 2023, 06:21 PM)
Yeah
Can start from auto home forum

https://club.m.autohome.com.cn/bbs/thread/7...57065086-1.html

Very spicy info on x70 origins
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bro....unker finished the article liao....TBH, all these information just a story from someone don't know who....no technical information and not accurate at all...

If they are using the S70 which already applied in X50/x70....I'm sorry to say that non of them are BMA platform....

Whatever they copy RAV4 or not....even they improvise from there....this kind of reverse engineering usually just create more weakness rather than building any better platform...

I'm sorry to proton X50/X70 and even S70 owners, they are sold by Proton/Geely without proper information....被出卖了...LoL

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post Nov 30 2023, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 30 2023, 07:38 PM)
In 2016 when geely partnership with proton (took over 49% stack) proton licensed 3 platforms from geely (NL, BMA and CV)

BMA binyue is ended up as x50


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Bro...unker just check....even X50 is not in BMA platform....

which means they are using DIFF platform in Proton X50 and S70....it should be something much more older.....--> which means more parts (platforms), non-modular, less strength requirement, more noise chasis...

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Proton actually can learn from Perodua x Toyota...

They don't hesitate to tell buyer they are sharing DNGA platform....and Toyota Vios is using DNGA platform....
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post Nov 30 2023, 08:53 PM

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bro....unker finished the article liao....

TBH, the link and article inside has no REFERENCE VALUE....

all these information just a story from someone don't know who....no technical information and not accurate at all...

If they are using the S70 which already applied in X50/x70....I'm sorry to say that non of them are BMA platform....

Whatever they copy RAV4 or not....even they improvise from there....this kind of reverse engineering usually just create more weakness rather than building any better platform...

I'm sorry to proton X50/X70 and even S70 owners, they are sold by Proton/Geely without proper information....被出卖了...LoL

I think only Proton/Geely know what they are doing secretly inside....

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post Nov 30 2023, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 08:52 PM)
Bro...unker just check....even X50 is not in BMA platform....

which means they are using DIFF platform in Proton X50 and S70....it should be something much more older.....--> which means more parts (platforms), non-modular, less strength requirement, more noise chasis...

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Proton actually can learn from Perodua x Toyota...

They don't hesitate to tell buyer they are sharing DNGA platform....and Toyota Vios is using DNGA platform....
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X50 is BMA

X70 uses older NL platform
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post Nov 30 2023, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 30 2023, 08:56 PM)
X50 is BMA

X70 uses older NL platform
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how to know/confirm X50 is using BMA platform?
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 08:59 PM)
how to know/confirm X50 is using BMA platform?
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Cause X50 is geely coolray.
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 08:59 PM)
how to know/confirm X50 is using BMA platform?
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Because it's reported in every media outlet, who got the info from press releases and press kits. Unless you're implying Geely/Proton lying through their teeth to everybody.

Tell me, before TNGA/DNGA, do Toyota market the name of the platform they are using? Do you know the name of the platform Honda is using?
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 06:39 PM)
eh...bodo you....go see Geely China also use CVT lah....kau ah....bodo lah
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China and Philippines using CVT because it is mated to the 1.5NA engine.

Proton opted for the 1.5T because of local market expectations, and also they are already manufacturing the engine in Malaysia. The entire drivetrain (engine + DCT gearbox) was lifted from the X50.

It is more cost efficient to share these components between 3 models (S70, X50, X70), instead of starting another drivetrain assembly line just for S70.
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 30 2023, 09:08 PM)
China and Philippines using CVT because it is mated to the 1.5NA engine.

Proton opted for the 1.5T because of local market expectations, and also they are already manufacturing the engine in Malaysia. The entire drivetrain (engine + DCT gearbox) was lifted from the X50.

It is more cost efficient to share these components between 3 models (S70, X50, X70), instead of starting another drivetrain assembly line just for S70.
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not true...china is using 1.5TDGi engine
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 05:36 PM)
Another thing that i think you maybe overlooked...

Geely have their own BMA (B-segment Modular Architecture) platform.....

This BMA is B-Segment platform...

and they apply this BMA in Geely Emgrand....but the wheelbase is 2650mm not 2627mm in proton s70...

https://global.geely.com/en/models/emgrand

Unker also check the proton S70 brochure....proton didn't specifically mentioned they use BMA in S70...

So unker think proton S70 probably not built on BMA platform...


Below is the BMA platform....

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Below is the PROTON S70 platform...

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Quite huge different
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So what are you saying? That the S70 is a completely different car from Emgrand? That Proton took another platform and built a car that looks exactly like the Emgrand, using up even more development funds, then sell it cheaper than Vios/City?
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 30 2023, 09:04 PM)
Because it's reported in every media outlet, who got the info from press releases and press kits. Unless you're implying Geely/Proton lying through their teeth to everybody.

Tell me, before TNGA/DNGA, do Toyota market the name of the platform they are using? Do you know the name of the platform Honda is using?
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You can read this...

https://www.automachi.com/2023/11/is-the-20...rawang-factory/

the cross region using same-platform is something that recently developed not too long ago....to cut cost, also to have less parts of platform and increase the stability....


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post Nov 30 2023, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 09:11 PM)
not true...china is using 1.5TDGi engine
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Source?
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 30 2023, 09:12 PM)
So what are you saying? That the S70 is a completely different car from Emgrand? That Proton took another platform and built a car that looks exactly like the Emgrand, using up even more development funds, then sell it cheaper than Vios/City?
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bro, it is not what UNKER want to say.....it is WHAT PROTON and GEELY want to say????

Unker is not PROTON SALESMAN....no point to questions unker...
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 09:14 PM)
You can read this...

https://www.automachi.com/2023/11/is-the-20...rawang-factory/

the cross region using same-platform is something that recently developed not too long ago....to cut cost, also to have less parts of platform and increase the stability....
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What does this have to do with what I am asking?

Do you know the name of the 1st gen Vios? 2nd gen? 3rd gen? Did Toyota ever market it?
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 09:15 PM)
bro, it is not what UNKER want to say.....it is WHAT PROTON and GEELY want to say????

Unker is not PROTON SALESMAN....no point to questions unker...
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You said X50 and S70 not using BMA platform ma. So what are you implying? S70 is a totally different car from Emgrand? X50 is totally different from Binyue?
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 30 2023, 09:14 PM)
Source?
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here you go

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post Nov 30 2023, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 30 2023, 09:16 PM)
What does this have to do with what I am asking?

Do you know the name of the 1st gen Vios? 2nd gen? 3rd gen? Did Toyota ever market it?
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you don't sohai and directive....unker will not kena your trap btw...
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 09:18 PM)
here you go

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This is a 1.5NA engine.

Look at the power and torque figures.
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 30 2023, 09:17 PM)
You said X50 and S70 not using BMA platform ma. So what are you implying? S70 is a totally different car from Emgrand? X50 is totally different from Binyue?
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you please don't sohai ask back uncle questions...sendiri go see the specification okay?

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Nov 30 2023, 09:19 PM)
you don't sohai and directive....unker will not kena your trap btw...
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You said ma, if platform good, sure will put in marketing materials.

Honda Civic FE use what platform?

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