With the new ICPT charges of 10c/kWh for any usage above 1500kWh , solar users also kena this charges despite them using the solar they generate to power their house/charge their EV

Got this bill thru my EV whatsapp group



Tnb just flat out charge additional 10 cents/kWh for the total energy usage instead of just anything above the 1500kWh use

This is tnb bill for another solar user who didnt hit the 1500kWh monthly usage





See description in image

This one very kesian. Last time with solar pay around rm30+ only per month. Suddenly ICPT charges kena rm200+ per month

This post has been edited by Boy96: Aug 9 2023, 05:32 PM

padan mukak! is malaysia!

What's TNB response?

bayar je lah

TNB is monopoly wachugonnado

kompeni monopoli pun tamahak

meaning TNB never agreed pay more for the solar energy. so apa masalah?
usage taken from the grid is still higher than 1500kwh.

change to renewable energy but never consider to conserve energy.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Aug 9 2023, 04:54 PM

kalau tak suka

jangan guna

Thought use EV safe from world petrol fluctuatuon prices….

Manatau switch to EV TNB woso tazabar mau suprise buttseck EV users woso 😅😅😓

From TNB Website FAQ:
"For domestic customers with a monthly electricity consumption of above 1,500 kWh, a surcharge rate of 10 sen/kWh will be imposed on the total units of kWh consumed. For example, an electricity consumption of 1,501 kWh will be imposed a surcharge of RM150.10 (1,501 x 10 sen/kWh)."

Tak faham?

With solar it's hard to exceed 1500. Most house holds also cept for T1s

Tips:

Install solar panel for your aircon , fan and light. (Seperate panel and wall socket)

Use TNB for other purposes

Its easy to exceed if you use EV. Especially later we will have a surge of cheap BYD dolphins on the road.

As i said tnb don't care if u have solar or not.

This post has been edited by Boy96: Aug 9 2023, 04:59 PM

TNB = EV users shud install solar panel to subsidize on their overusage!!! If not we will charge u additional premium for overusage!!! 😡🤬

Tak faham bro

Can explain in simpler sentence?

Possible

Whats the kwp your system is supposed to generate

its easy to turn off aircond too.
do that first.

we are burning alot of oil(indirectly warming the earth) just for the rich people to live comfortable.

but what tnb return u as export as long as u export more than 900kwh will be rm 0.571.

they dont do the first 200 unit u resell back for rm 0.218 and the next 100 for 0.334 and so on.

although i also didnt know if u hit 1500kw they gonna charge 10 cent extra for all the units

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This post has been edited by submergedx: Aug 9 2023, 05:04 PM

Susah mau explain in simpler sentence. These new ICPT charges they simply implement without thinking thru

I dont have solar yet. But it doesnt matter how much your system generate. Tnb still charge u icpt on your total usage.

tnb paying rm0.571 for that 1kwh is very generous. rich people didnt see ka?
myself not using much electricity if tnb offered me rm0.30 for every kWH solar energy production, heck yeah, sign-me in.

The simple explanation is , what ever u use in kWh (import ) it wont direct deduct from what u generate from solar which is kWh(export) .

Mean if u use 1700kWh and generate Solar 400kWh :
>TNB will still charge u base on 1700kWh and thn baru count 400kWh resell bck to them = final TNB fees .

It is not 1700kWh-400kWh = 1300kWh to count ur usage bill .
Tats y still will kena ICPT charges of 10c/kWh for any usage above 1500kWh becoz use 1700kWh

This post has been edited by prdkancil: Aug 9 2023, 05:09 PM

btw, assume u drive atto3 extended range 60kw battery with 480km range, u travel lets say 400km per week and ur car require u to charge 1 full cycle for 400km.

60kwh per week/7*30 that only will cost you around 260kwh.

to hit 1500kw u need 5 ev atto3 running 400km per week.

Atto3 has very high energy loss, a full charge from 0% will actually pull around 70-75kWh instead of what they say it is 60kWh.

And also a full charge is roughly 320-350km. So hard to get 400km

Brotha. EV drivers really got problem in the head. You don't wanna pump expensive petrol. Okay sui. Your call but you cry mother father when electric bill naik.

The money you save from pumping petrol should be into your electric bill no?

if you are using solar, the inverter will prioritize on your usage first before it got pushed to the grid.
so the best approach is just charge the car during the day, not at night time.

anyway rich being rich can always senyap2 install battery anyway.

Can you calculate how much they spend in petrol vs EV? How to calculate cuz I got a bone to pick with these complain kings

msia electric one of cheapest

Nope , indonesia and thai cheaper

Heck even sarawak is much cheaper

This post has been edited by Boy96: Aug 9 2023, 05:14 PM

This one is it last time tnb said will pay you back for any electricity you generate for them?

But you should get back all of the money by now and just get free money now right?

Yes. But even if u install many panels than can generate the whole electricity back, cant escape from paying the ICPT charges

all use solar, how to wuntung

still not an accuse for household to use >1500kwh without paying premium. what is this multiple families living in the same house?
anyway my advise just senyap2 install solar battery.

Interesting. Last week i just saw Marques video about solar panels on house.

He gets credits for generating more back to the grid. and the credits will carry forward the next bill.



I remember reading TNB has the same scheme.

https://www.tnb.com.my/solar/faq#:~:text=Th...0pv%20system%3F




But i understand that TS says TNB increases rates after certain KWh usage regardless of solar credits or not.

But i would like to know where is the section for the credits if you generate more than you use?

duplicate

This post has been edited by netmatrix: Aug 9 2023, 05:16 PM

See the bill under kWh eksport

with the new ICPT for solar users

you would want to consume more (wash, heat etc.) and charge ur car during the day to avoid importing from grid then only use the usual stuff at night... i manage to reduce from 1600kwh to nett 400kwh with the strategy

Can't you just not connect the solar sourced power to TNB meter? Just go straight towards CB.

See ts table jumlah eksport. The amount generated still less than tarik from tnb.

Cannot malaysia rule you need to connect tnb. Unless you senyap2 lah

Watched this video as well. I find their scheme much easier to understand.

i think you should know the purpose of ICPT surcharge, it is to cover up fuel cost.
night time you are using energy mostly came from fuel,neutral gas and coal, not solar.

just charge your vehicle during the day time, when your solar panel generating energy, rich people have multiple car, takkanlah every car habis battery?

Oh wow. What a dumb rule.

But look at the bill, even if you use during daytime, it still feeds off the grid, the energy generated is only to contra to the grid no?

its not about solar or not solar.
its about your usage high. they charge you because the logic is, the more you use, the more they need to innovate to sustain the load. what if everyone also high utilization? more grid is needed.

this is to curb high usage and wastage, by charging you more.

Should put it this way:

Msia petrol one of cheapest



Bodo for those think drive EV will save moneh for petrol

Thanks TS for letting us know how TNB charge the ICPT. IMO as long as you import from TNB, they spent that amount to generate the electricity you import thus if you exceed the subsidized quota, you pay the full cost (so the rest of us don't have to subsidize you). Your Solar Panels generated electricity that was sold back to TNB at the agreed price in your agreement/contract independent of ICPT (and you already know this when you installed your solar panel). Thus I don't see the issue here. Like some other say, you CAN opt to charge your car during the day thus lowering your energy import. Moreover you should calculate the amount you save per km vs petrol to make it more apple to apple comparison.

75kw needed to charge 60kw battery, then it is 25% lost, assume 60kwh giving u 300km, then 1 kw is 5km, and 100km is 20kw.

20kw with 25% charging loss requires 25kw, and lets consider you are hitting more than 900kw per month without ev, so every kw to charge ev will cost you rm 0.571.

then charging 25w will cost u rm 14.275.

fuel per 100km for my almera is 8 to 9 liter. so if 8 liter will be rm 16.40.

little bit saving, but if u hit 1500kw probably no saving.

but also depend on what ICE u drive la.

i am using worse case for ev and best case for ICE for calculation. if u charge using first 300 unit u always save money.



This post has been edited by darkterror15: Aug 9 2023, 05:27 PM

tapi sudah pasang.. belanja lebih RM50K

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This one very kesian. Last time with solar pay around rm30+ only per month. Suddenly ICPT charges kena rm200+ per month

How to gain back ROI from installing 40k+ solar like this

This post has been edited by Boy96: Aug 9 2023, 05:29 PM

if your solar is big enough to not needing to pull frm the grid
thn what are they charging u?

your buddy is T1....aircond on 24/7....ok lah...bayar je... cool2.gif

your buddy is T1....aircond on 24/7....ok lah...bayar je...

This post has been edited by billyboy: Aug 9 2023, 05:30 PM

It's in the TNB bill first page. TS didnt post cos contain your name address etc. Basically bottom left got the "Baki NEM" and the tarikh luput.

Just installed solar for my house. My bill rm800+ reduce to rm40+

then find a better inverter la.
ideally it supposed to prioritize house usage first.

I'm not familiar with residential so I'm assuming is you're using electricity from your system when it's generating, importing from grid when there is a short for example at night

My place my neighbours mostly install 5kwp systems, corner got 11 la. So 5kwp multiply by 4 hours (tembak here could be higher) and 30 days gets you about 600kwh give or take

That's your buffer before hitting the ICPT. Like someone said charge during the day.

By right ICPT charges should be charged after contra.

T1 spotted. How the heck you use 1600

And two, how big your roof to fit in 1200kwh monthly solar kek

This post has been edited by 9m2w: Aug 9 2023, 05:34 PM

you obviously dont understand how solar works in malaysia

Don't sell back to TNB

Live off grid

No actually I don't. Won't mind if ppl enlighten me

But for normal household usage 1500 is pretty high already

Tesla Malaysia teased tesla powerwall,

that will be only solution to say f off to tnb monopoly

mkbhd got video go see

This should be the way

kesian T20.

My guess they are not really into encouraging people to install solar panel afterall.

So curious.
Was this investment worth it.

No such thing as free money friend.

Compare to total bill with icpt without install solar then you can see savings lor

What you import from tnb is calculated separately from what you export to tnb

its a seperate meter, so your import can still be well over 1500, it does not minus each other like in western countries

they have been slowly screwing over solar users, i remember at the start they used to pay much more for the clean solar energy

Have to consider the solar investment rm40k++ ROI which was supposed to be in 5 years now dont know become how many years already.

Some more they only allow 10 years after that they won't pay back your excess energy. Have to spend more money to get battery storage

This.

TNB is buying ay higher rate than selling. The additional surcharge seems fair to me.

So residential don't have the option of using generated energy first? So it's something like net metering?

I did want to take the plunge but holding off till I see my neighbours bills. They told me their consumption is less but I'm not sure if they are reading it wrong and it's a contra of two rates

They're still encouraging people to install solar, just that they're also discouraging people from using alot of electricity too.

They paid higher at the start to kick-start the trend. But no reason why they should pay more for it now. That's why the rates are much lower.


Well, solar ROI still the same as long as you don't use so much electricity.
This is more for those who go crazy with electricity use or travels alot using EV.

User problem. Just disconnect from grid and runs solar for some of the equipment then guarantee no extra charge.

Possible for the owner to totally disconnect from tnb and fully rely on solar? Like, close tnb account.

This post has been edited by @@@@@@@@@@: Aug 9 2023, 05:50 PM

fyi, to hit 1500kw per month is rm 738.2

if household u already t20, if buka kedai too bad for you.

Of course can

Also owner can direct use the DC power

No need to invert back to AC

And convert all applicances to DC appliances

If everyone benefit from solar.

Tnb punya orang / bini / anjing nak makan apa?

Sedarlah

Whats the point of getting solar in the first place if you dont use much electricity, since the cheapest of solar is also 20-25k

the main motive you go for solar is to slow down climate change and promote sustainability. not to save cost or gain from the system. how selfish are we.

if we are care about the planet, dont use too much resource(in this case electricity), take public transport or just use a bicycle and walk. the ICPT surcharge were supposed to encourage public to use less electricity, not keep increase it like nobody business.

Commercial for sure exceed 1500KW one lar
i wonder what is their % difference

Totally in contrast what they say when they ask us to change to electric cars

Wonder why they dont follow other countries where the tariff is super cheap at night.

This post has been edited by Boy96: Aug 9 2023, 05:55 PM

the best explanation. tq

Its easier to generate more energy than to conserve energy.
Same like spending. Easier to make money than to save money.

Then you need to use battery to keep the energy generated from solar to use at night. Its more expensive and requires maintenance compared to the on-grid solar system that is linked to tnb meter.

I guess that is why people are complaining.
The solar generated goes to tnb during the day when people go to work, and then at night, homes draw electricity from tnb. But seems that tnb will charge ICPT for both tnb and solar energy. That don't seem fair.

But fact is driving EV charging is proved cheaper than petrol kan

just accept the honeymoon period is over.

i sometime waste electricity alot too, still far cry from 1500kwh

TNB buy power start from the highest tier, so 0.571 per kwh. TS issue is use too much so gov already said to impose extra charges on high usage. Even use EV also at most 250-300 kwh a month, assuming you travel 400km a week and use BYD Atto 3 average consumption 16kwh per 100km. TS bill usage way too high.

The problem is the 1500 usage limit should be NETT instead of gross.

So Usage should discount the solar generation baru apply the 1500kwh limit to be fair.

meaning they kira first, after that only deduct solar.

not deduct solar first baru kira.

edit: lol lucky never install solar, i wanted to, waifu told me jangan. moral of the story, listen to waifu.

This post has been edited by loserguy: Aug 9 2023, 06:02 PM

If only can request separate meter and not linked to main house energy usage for charging purposes alone

simple terms is :

ICPT charges based on what total kwh u use, without deducting the kwh you export (from solar) before final calculation


correct?

The point is to reduce bill but not to let you use more electricity.

Most of this people having this problem are installing huge installations to generate excess power during the day to offset their high usage during the night. In effect, they are not reducing their electricity consumption but increasing it instead.

That's why they get hit by this icpt.

wah. So does this means that technically we're in the wrong if we buy for example the small solar light at shopee/lazada? because the generated power by the solar is standalone and connected only to the light and not tnb?

Its not mine, its other people one. Mine i still leech free electricity outside to charge my car whenever possible