This is rich people problem and they can afford the surcharge.
Did TNB just screwed Solar users?
Did TNB just screwed Solar users?
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Aug 9 2023, 08:01 PM
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This is rich people problem and they can afford the surcharge.
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Aug 9 2023, 10:15 PM
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Lmao
Some say charge EV during the day? Maybe on weekends? But not on a work day. |
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Aug 9 2023, 10:46 PM
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Maybe this is a relevant video even though I don’t agree with the implication but I understand the need for tnb to maintain the network. |
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Aug 9 2023, 10:50 PM
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I’m sure there will be a walk back for this
Didn’t that idiot Rafizi announced that people can now earn money from renting their rooftops for RE generation. So fast already kantoi? |
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Aug 9 2023, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Aug 9 2023, 08:58 PM) When weather is hot with full sun, solar can generate electricity. Malaysian think just because it’s hot, that we’re sunny All the time. But in actually fact we get a lot of cloud.When weather is cloudy and raining, these solar owners would be sweating. LOL 🤣 🤣 🤣 |
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Aug 9 2023, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 9 2023, 10:54 PM) You forgot to mention annual haze. We have to thank the super La Niña for the last 3 years. Then again, for the past 3 years since the pandemic, there hasn't be any serious haze yet..... And pray that we don’t get a very severe El Niño that has been predicted. Not only haze but for sure water cuts. |
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Aug 10 2023, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 9 2023, 11:40 PM) Nice video to give a little awareness but like you I disagree with his conclusion as well. ICPT is more a mechanism for fuel pricing rather than network access and maintenance. Tnb is a business. And a business exists to get profit. Like you said tnb needs to maintain the network, which costs money to maintain. If solar nem is losing them money they will find other ways to make it up. Which likely impacts others, hence cost shifting is very real. Also, the solar installation is not storing that energy generated unless it has a battery system. So when its not generating, the customer are using power from the grid, which is primarily from fossil fuel. So it's only fair that the customer pays the icpt like you said. People with solar installations don't get to offset their icpt cap with their excess solar for this reason alone. It’s not exactly fair to apply it even before deducting the power generated. |
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Aug 10 2023, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 10 2023, 01:04 AM) ICPT is a method for TNB to charge for changes in energy generation costs (majority of it coming from fossil fuel prices) without changing tariff rates. Yes I understand your viewSo a customer who is using energy from the grid is using energy generated by TNB, hence they have to pay ICPT costs for whatever they have consumed and so it's fair to pay ICPT before deducting for power generated. But those people who put solar back into the grid help reduce the amount of generation costs for TNB. |
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Aug 10 2023, 11:19 AM
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Aug 10 2023, 11:32 AM
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Aug 10 2023, 12:17 PM
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Well, still rich people with solar setups problem and they can afford to pay.
Can afford to buy EV, can afford to pay for charging and afford the coming soon roadtax. |
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Aug 10 2023, 12:18 PM
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Aug 11 2023, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Aug 11 2023, 05:12 AM) To screw back tnb, need to promote off grid electricity for all new houses. Add into cost of new house a 10 kW solar panel, 15 kWh battery pack and a backup 2kW biodiesel generator that can run using waste cooking oil. Should be enough for a typical house using 1500 kWh of electricity per month. Not sure about the cost and roi, just wanna screw tnb. No point screwing tnb if it costs more. What typical houses uses 1500 kwh a month? Single storey house like 2 Ac at night, also only use 600 kwh. max_cavalera liked this post
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Aug 11 2023, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(Dothan @ Aug 11 2023, 10:46 AM) I am not saying more dirty. Please don't quote me wrong. There is no need to compare which one dirtier as both are dirt in different ways. Hydrogen also not clean because you crack hydrocarbons with steam to make it.Back to my original point: There are a lot of energy loss using grid electricity. Along the transmission lines, the voltage transformation between power plant and power distribution hub and even to your house, and also AC to DC transformation at household power adapters, even charging your EV also has energy loss as heat. To me, EV is just a hyppie and trendy stuffs. You want clean energy, it should be hydrogen fuel cell or hydrogen ICE where hydrogen is generated using solar energy or hydroelectric. |
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Aug 11 2023, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 11 2023, 02:11 PM) Obviously you don’t fully understand how hydrogen is produced, what you mentioned is grey hydrogen production As of 2020 95% of hydrogen production by the way I described. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/clea...green-hydrogen/ You want to ramp up also going to take a long time and it is a chicken and egg situation. |
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Aug 11 2023, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 11 2023, 03:30 PM) Why don’t you look at the bright side? A very leaky battery, you need 13% of the energy to compress it and then when it is liquid you can lose up to o% by evaporation. Do you know hydrogen can be considered as battery? For those solar and wind power plant that produces excessive energy, excessive power can be used to produce hydrogen, and hydrogen is like petroleum which is transportable energy storage. Wind and solar energy is not stable power source, we need energy storage to store excessive energy and can immediately use the energy storage when energy is needed. Energy from fossil has to be reduced as could as possible, it is long process to eliminate fossil fuel, but it has to be done. During this long process, diverse energy sources are the key to implementing carbon free energy. Hydrogen ain’t perfect and did I mention it was explosive? |
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Aug 11 2023, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 11 2023, 04:56 PM) You have full of negative thoughts, the world will not progress if there are many people like you. No Hydrogen storage is as safe as petrol storage, Japanese has proven it, and you will see more and more hydrogen powered vehicles in near future I’m all for decarbonising but I don’t think hydrogen is the way forward. We need a cheap and green battery technology and we need it fast. Not recognising the drawbacks of hydrogen and being wedded to one particular technology is also anti progressive. This post has been edited by dickybird: Aug 11 2023, 05:21 PM |
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Dec 20 2023, 07:46 PM
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Fair enough for solar power generators to pay for network or grid infrastructure maintenance or even access because TNB have to take the power and maintain grid integrity while solar power generation varies with the weather. I guess charging them their usage first including the over 1500 units surcharge is a usage based charge instead of a flat rate charge is fair.
Installing solar don’t mean you can just live it up if your house is still tied to the grid. This post has been edited by dickybird: Dec 20 2023, 07:48 PM |
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So what’s the latest update? If you are powering daytime usage is it enough to go under the ICPT threshold? gobiomani and anthonywongy liked this post
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