http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...206194616.shtml

renault guilty but no punishment

then Alonso rejoin Renault F1

later McLaren might come out buat bising.

yaaaaaawn....

don worry guys mclaren will be kicked out of 2008 championship, FIA will FIND a way to do that.

It's not over yet...appeal...appeal...appeal...as always.

Good, won't miss them

I'm looking forward to having Mr Integrity getting his rear boot out by Mercedes
Or Mercedes break off with Mclaren and start their very own team

All this FIA anti-Macca is getting tired. Give it a rest already. The season is done and dusted.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Dec 7 2007, 07:34 PM

then only left with Ferrari... 03 and 04 season will repeat again. YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

and Mr Integrity wont be kicked out by Mclaren. why? he owns part of McLaren.

but still....
at least give renault a fine right? i dont want renault to be booted out of the championship, but if theyre guilty, at least a fine to 'punish' them as a sign of fairness.

its either they want to prevent anymore bad comments from the F1 fans...or they don't have enough evidence that the information was used on their car design? No wait...its the same with mcLaren...bah, let's just call it double standards

Mclaren got away the first time too. They too were found guilty of possessing the intellectual properties but not penalize as there was no proof they used the information at that point of time. (many seems to conveniently choose to ignore this)

It is only when Alonso and De La Rosa came forward with their evidence that it became proven beyond doubt that they not only have the information, but they also used it in their simulator.

Renault went to the FIA with that information which again, shows that they have some information and again, no proof that they use it.

So unless someone go forward with proof that shows Renault did something with those information, it will stay at this stage where they will not be punish.

It's all the same thing over again and yet people claim FIA acted differently.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Dec 7 2007, 10:15 PM

am now reading the official WMSC statement.

its a must read! half way through

F1 has become the latest dramatic event ever

nvm, there's still ......errrr ...... ALONSO !

Then, renault should be fined too, no?

The FIA couldn't prove that McLaren did something with Ferrari's info anyway so your point is moot. I would like to remind u that officially we were sanctioned based on the fact that we possessed Ferrari's info. So why aren't Renault given the same punishment? And it's not like a disgruntled McLaren employee gave documents to Renault; they literally stole it from us. You trying to defend the FIA makes me laugh.

Well I have to agree that the FIA imposed double standards regarding Spygate 2. I expected the same fines and exclusion from the WCC. Regarding McLaren and whether they did or did not use information, just read that the 2008 car 'may be under investigation.'

any1 know whether there will be testing here in sepang like last time before the weekend race?

Only if there's a second hearing with new evidence that they use it

I'm not defending FIA I'm just sick of all this pro Macca anti everyone else. I've read it a thousand times every where else and macca/lewis fans seems to conveniently, selectively remember certain incident only and accuse FIA of being bias against macca.

Did you not read about Alonso and De La Rosa email about the info being run in their simulator? That was why they were penalize. They use it. How then would like to define the term "use"? Only when they actually implement it on their car? Well, unfortunately, for the rest of the world out there, use is when you use the data in any way, not just specifically to implementations.

McLaren have the data, they use it in their simulator, and also exploit it to get the FIA change the rules about floorboard (is this anti Macca by the FIA?). Without emails for Alonso and the engineers, do you think the FIA can penalize McLaren? No, and in fact that was the decision when they first found McLaren guilty or possessing intellectual properties data but they couldn't proof that they use it.

What then do you think about this first hearing? McLaren got away as well under same circumstances? McLaren should have been fined during the first hearing?

Renault have the data. But so far no evidence that they use the data. What can FIA do without evidence?

ps: It doesn't matter how one obtained the info. Did mclaren went forward to the FIA and alerted Ferrari that a certain someone is passing data on? No they didn't. possession of intellectual properties is a crime.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Dec 8 2007, 04:19 PM

well i'm sick off Ferrari are the almighty do gooders and does not do any wrong doings.

imho,

i. Firstly, from what i read on mags and on internets, many believe that Alonso and Pedro emails exchanges does not have 100 % influence on WMSC desicion to punish McLaren. Remember the amnesty FIA offered and Alonso threatened Dennis with the emails?

ii. The FIA rules clearly stated that the floorboards must be rigid and must not move. So how is it that McLaren gain any advantages from this?

McLaren are punished for having Ferrari data, so why is Renault didnt get punish too?