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 Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V4, Malaysian GP-1 Kimi,2 Kubica,3 Heikki

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post Oct 22 2007, 10:27 AM

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Great F1 season. Nice to see the fight got taken to the last race....

QUOTE(munky @ Oct 22 2007, 10:21 AM)
what i meant was, they cannot slow down and let the team mate pass or something like that

Maybe i heard wrong.
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They can at their own choice, but the team cannot tell them to do so.

FIA monitors all radio communication and teams are not allow to tell the driver to let the other one pass by. But if the driver himself do so, it's not wrong.
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post Oct 22 2007, 10:49 AM

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McLaren to appeal the decision on Sauber and Williams team

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That's just great.
Let the fans wait for days or even weeks before the final outcome of the championship is decided.
What's more, it'll be decided in court.

This is a drag
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post Oct 22 2007, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Oct 22 2007, 04:45 PM)
LOL and how Ferrari won the Constructor title?

Sorry can't help it tongue.gif
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Is it Ferrari's fault that BMW and Williams ran on cooler fuel?
Do you wants to see Lewis Hamilton wins his championship in court?

If you do, you're the next Ron Dennis Jr.

I'm sure even hamilton doesn't wants the title anymore. There's no point for him to win it that way.
Do you think McLaren will be celebrating if Lewis wins it that way? I don't

The only person who will be happy about it is Ron Dennis.
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post Oct 22 2007, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(verx @ Oct 22 2007, 05:18 PM)
His point is Ferrari won the Constructors off the track as well. Ferrari doesn't seem too sad about it.
Lewis would obviously preferred to win it on the track. But to say noone would be happy is ridiculous. If Williams and BMW ran an illegal car then how can u argue otherwise. But if they are not then fair play to them.
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It's true that the constructors title wasn't won in the best way, but that doesn't meant McLaren should win the driver's title in the same manner.

From Lewis point of view, he's not going for just another title win, it would have been his first title win. If he wins it this way, it will forever be remembered as the win he gets after his team got someone else disqualified. This is because the FIA had already initially cleared both teams of any wrongdoings, so if they changed it and penalize them, it would be Ron Dennis who initiate it.

There's a difference between winning it after FIA disqualified both team, and winning it after Ron Dennis appeal to have both team penalize when the FIA had already cleared them of any wrongdoings.

The first one is fine but the second one isn't good at all. I don't see any cause to celebrate for the second scenario.
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post Oct 22 2007, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Oct 22 2007, 06:50 PM)
Funny, if they did something illegal and get punished. Is it McLaren fault if they benifit from it? rolleyes.gif
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Stewards decided they they are not illegal
So why is mclaren still pushing for a penalty for them?

Clearly Ron Dennis is trying to exploit the situation here to win the championship for his Lewis, which is so wrong.
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post Oct 23 2007, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 23 2007, 12:16 AM)
Ferrari won't mind Toyota doing it. Too small a fry. If it's McLaren, then it's worth fighting for.
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I think Toyota did have their headquarters raided by investigators. There was an investigation.
Not sure what happens after that, probably Toyota decided to settle it out of court?

Having other teams intellectual properties is wrong. What Ron Dennis should have done is to go straight to the police to report both employee. He didn't. Instead he let them run it in their simulator.

There was once a case where 2 Coke employee went to their rival companies with some formula. The rival company immediately lodge a police report.

QUOTE(bob @ Oct 23 2007, 11:28 AM)
ron dennis want to appeal regarding bmw/william oil tempt but both of mclaren drivers were not happy at all.
maybe 2007 WDC will be given to RON DENNIS ...
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post Oct 23 2007, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(bluswhitehat @ Oct 23 2007, 06:00 PM)
With Michael Shu i didnt wanna watch F1 la, it was so boring always he will win only.. at least nowadays damn keng the race damn unpredictable..

As for Alonso - yeah i hate him too.. I would rather Anthony Davidson or something win the championship than Alonso.
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Actually Michael was the one capable of doing what others cannot do. Of course if you only look at end result, it seems boring, but if you're actually following his race, he use to pull off special moves, suddenly putting in fastest lap.

I miss those days where we can hear the commentator says "michael is on the move" or something like "i tell you who's flying at the moment. It's michael, catching so and so at so and so speed." and sure enough, we can either see him overtake on track, or put in fastest lap after lap, and then overtake during pit stop.

Nowadays its boring during a race. To win, just qualify for pole and fly away at the front. If you drop behind, you're doom there, no magical lap to win... We don't see drivers winning from the back of the grid or after their cars caught fire in pits anymore...

QUOTE(KimRoss @ Oct 23 2007, 10:41 PM)
Suddenly it's like lewis against the world.
Poor chap..
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Not true
Bernie, Ron Dennis, Damon Hill, and this Steward something, they all declare their love for him.
Damon even accuse FIA of helping Ferrari when BMW is not punished.
Not to mention ITV commentators. They shouted when they saw Lewis driving in pit lane, thinking he's slowing down on track again. They even said Alonso should let everyone pass him, if only to give Hamilton extra one place.

British people are taking their love for Lewis way overboard
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post Oct 24 2007, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(blah1134 @ Oct 24 2007, 01:32 AM)
schumi days more action ? hAHAHHAhAhAHahha
try remembering 2002 and 2004 and say that again tongue.gif

alonso and kimi beaten schumi ok ... don bring him back.

oh and whats the prob with brits supporting lewis ? they are all british, of course they support their own people till the end of the world. you dont support malaysians ? oh ... maybe we dont, coz we are malaysians and we ........................... (fill in the  blank laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(Aeon_Clock @ Oct 24 2007, 10:58 AM)
blah1134 said Alonso and Kimi beat Michael. So I guess that was referring to the 2005 season. But even then...I really don't think Kimi actually beat Michael fair and square, coz Ferrari's car was really bad that year. We're comparing the drivers, not the cars. Such big difference between the two...I wouldn't even call it competition.

Not saying Michael is god and Kimi shouldn't beat him...I wanted to see him do it but unfortunately Kimi didn't really have the chance to beat him before his retirement. He came close in 2003 though. smile.gif

I mean 1 year...between 1999 to 2006 - coz I started to watch in 1999 tongue.gif We don't have to go back to 1985 all over again rite? sweat.gif Let's just stick to the 20th Century icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yep. That's one common mistake people always make. People always thinks that when a person beat someone, it makes that person greater than those that has been beaten by that someone.

By that logic, that means that any new champion will suddenly becomes the greatest champion of all time, because he beat A who beaten B who has beaten C and so on...

The only way to compare them is to see all achievement. Alonso and Kimi will only beat michael once they get 8 WDC smile.gif
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Oct 24 2007, 05:34 PM)
The appeal by McLaren is to clarify things if this happens again in the future.

Although there is no indicator in the car that says theyve breach the temps, there is something to be gain (not in terms of WDC points) in case advantage is gained with that act, deliberate or not.

This will be important in the future if any teams are racing with others with this  same scenario.
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Funny thing is other team doesn't seems to be so concern
And the question here is, would they do that too if it happened to a team finished behind Lewis?

QUOTE(seydee @ Oct 24 2007, 10:26 PM)
Well latest news,  hmm.gif law......which is the craziest of them all.

Engine Frozen for 10 years
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at least it's guaranteed we'll have v8 for 10 years more tongue.gif
That's what the FIA wants, to halt everything for 10 years. I'm sure v6 isn't too far away if teams are allowed to developed their engine.

I once read about bringing back turbocharger... whatever happened to that plan...
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post Oct 25 2007, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Oct 25 2007, 09:50 AM)
By the time the other teams manage to be successful, Max Mosley already retired or dead..  biggrin.gif  Seriously, I am not saying that other teams wont be successful. It takes more than success to get special relationship with Mr Mosley. Need some people like Luca Cordero di Montezemolo. Need some good old years of relationship too.. There is always something happening within he himself. He can say anything he wants but no one will ever know what he is thinking.
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Jean Todt, Max, Ron Dennis, I think they were all involved in car racing before they became managers, right?

Not sure what is it, if not mistaken, some top people in F1 were once a race driver them self?
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post Oct 26 2007, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(SeaGates @ Oct 26 2007, 09:42 AM)
If he starts talking more he wouldn't be The Iceman anymore would he? tongue.gif
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And Bernie should start talking less laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Nov 3 2007, 02:17 PM)
it is understood that FA's separation contract contains a clause which states he CANNOT JOIN ANY MANUFACTURER's TEAM for one year, which leaves basically everyone out except for RedBull, Williams & Toro Rosso

i dun have to mention other non manufacturer's team coz it's very unlikely
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What a waste
I guess Williams it is then...

If he went to BMW, BMW could possibly start winning next year. BMW is a very good team, besides Ferrari and Mclaren, they are constantly the next best thing
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post Nov 5 2007, 04:43 PM

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Saw it in today's theStar newspaper, Lewis says mclaren must get a team player driver.

he's going overboard with all this demand. first he doesn't wants alonso around, now he demands to have a scape goat. And to think he's only a rookie...
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Nov 6 2007, 09:28 PM)


Added on November 6, 2007, 9:59 pmSchumacher to make testing return for Ferrari
Michael Schumacher will test a Formula One car in earnest next week for the first time since his retirement at the end of last season. Schumacher will get behind the wheel of this year's Ferrari F2007 as part of the team's 2008 preparations....read more

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See, who says Schumi is going to McLaren biggrin.gif

Those are the usual silly rumors during season break...
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QUOTE(dropanyloot @ Nov 9 2007, 10:54 AM)
i hope it is Ferrari
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Who's there to spy on when you have 4 Ferrari cars on the grid smile.gif

QUOTE(dropanyloot @ Nov 9 2007, 03:53 PM)
hahaha....... u like Red teams dont ya?
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U dislike Red teams don't ya?
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post Nov 14 2007, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Nov 14 2007, 10:15 AM)
Brawn: My job now is to beat Ferrari
Link ~ http://www.planetf1.com

RB...you meant Spyker Ferrari don't you? whistling.gif
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Ross probably didn't watch F1 at all during his one year break laugh.gif
He need a magic wand to do that.

QUOTE(evoHahn @ Nov 14 2007, 11:07 AM)

yes, i agree with you. Brawn is instrumental in helping Schumi winning title with Benetton & Ferrari. Hope they can solve their aero package. This year aero package is a disaster; the team admits that.
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I don't think Ross alone can do any miracle to Honda. What he can achieve at Ferrari is because there's Ferrari and Michael. Honda has neither a great team or driver.
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Nov 19 2007, 10:13 PM)
Timo Glock confirmed as the new Toyota driver :

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2890958,00.html
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I wonder what's Alonso up to. Everyone's slowly filling up the space now. It would be sad if he finds himself without a drive next year...
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QUOTE(sqwerk2 @ Nov 20 2007, 01:53 PM)
having endorsements and support from the government is good. but, whether the driver can produce results is another thing. personally, i think fairuz is not bad, but make sure he does not end up like alex yoong. however, back to government financial support especially, i would really like them to endorse more established and more results producing sports rather than keep on with F1 project drivers at the moment. karamjit singh won APRC and yet no support from government. football receives huge sponsorship from the gov, yet they still play like shit.
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I agrees with the last line.
Our gov sometimes don't seems to bright at sponsoring sportsmen
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Nov 22 2007, 08:01 AM)
Is it just me, or is the editorial team of Planetf1.com just a bunch of Brit/McLaren propagandists? Their editorials are just horribly biased as well as being seemingly misinformed. I mean, just look at their write ups on the cool fuel saga. Davies writes as if it is absolutely certain that the BMW and Williams cars were illegal. He never mentions how the discrepancy in temperatures only comes about when the readings are compared to the FOM's reading but not when compared to Meteo-France's reading. Here's a quote from Sam Michael's interview with ITV

"The FOM ambient temperature is not an official FIA temperature in any way at all - and that is one of the points made clear in the hearing. FOM have a temperature sensor, but it became clear up to two years ago that it was not accurate enough to be used as regulatory. So what was agreed was that the FOM temperature would be used as a guide, and if there was any question mark over its accuracy, that would be reviewed with the Meteo France data."
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There are some online site that is horribly pro McLaren/Lewis. Probably casue they are British lol. They have a strange way of being patriotic.
People like Hill and Jackie Steward sometimes really go over the limit in defending McLaren and against Ferrari. They talk rubbish.
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QUOTE(blah1134 @ Dec 7 2007, 02:59 PM)
yaaaaaawn....

don worry guys mclaren will be kicked out of 2008 championship, FIA will FIND a way to do that.
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Good, won't miss them

I'm looking forward to having Mr Integrity getting his rear boot out by Mercedes
Or Mercedes break off with Mclaren and start their very own team

All this FIA anti-Macca is getting tired. Give it a rest already. The season is done and dusted.

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