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joeblow
post Jul 3 2023, 02:15 AM

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Hi TS,

Thank you for this thread. Appreciate if you can answer the below:

1. You mentioned can remote start the car via app. So the car comes with free sim and data? For how long? eg Proton X70 comes with free 3 or 5 years I think.
2. For connectivity, can you use your phone internet via wireless connection for car data connectivity? Since car sim data might costs money once free period over.
3. For insurance, is it like insuring normal ICE car to include flood? I fear for the battery if there's incident of flood. BTW does the battery warranty include this? ie water leaked into it and spoil it.
4. For the battery warranty of 8 years, does it cover degration? If so what's the % if you know.
5. Did you tint the car? I mean would it be hot driving under hot sun? I plan to buy the cover and use only when parking under hot sun.
6. Your BYD supports Android Auto or Apple carplay now?
7. Does your car come with different charger head?
8. BYD Atto 3 comes with built in dashcam right? Front and back?
9. I find the yearly servicing a bit redundant considering Tesla does not require it. Seems like the local dealers' way to make more money. If we skip the servicing, will it void the warranty?
10. Lastly can your BYD car use Tesla charging station when it is built in the future?

FYI I am planning to change my car to EV sometime next year, waiting for BYD Seal, Tesla 3 and Volvo EX30.

Again sorry for so many questions, I am from JB and no legit showroom here yet for me to ask the sales people.
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post Jul 3 2023, 03:04 AM

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QUOTE(joeblow @ Jul 3 2023, 02:15 AM)
Hi TS,

Thank you for this thread. Appreciate if you can answer the below:


FYI I am planning to change my car to EV sometime next year, waiting for BYD Seal, Tesla 3 and Volvo EX30.

Again sorry for so many questions, I am from JB and no legit showroom here yet for me to ask the sales people.
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1. You mentioned can remote start the car via app. So the car comes with free sim and data? For how long? eg Proton X70 comes with free 3 or 5 years I think.

- 2GB of data every month, not sure until how long it will be free, will have to check later

2. For connectivity, can you use your phone internet via wireless connection for car data connectivity? Since car sim data might costs money once free period over.

- yes

3. For insurance, is it like insuring normal ICE car to include flood? I fear for the battery if there's incident of flood. BTW does the battery warranty include this? ie water leaked into it and spoil it.

- Insurance is normal like all other cars, and their panel also will include special perils for the first year

4. For the battery warranty of 8 years, does it cover degration? If so what's the % if you know.

Refer here for warranty clause

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5. Did you tint the car? I mean would it be hot driving under hot sun? I plan to buy the cover and use only when parking under hot sun.

- Good tint is compulsory for this car, especially on the panoramic sunroof as the shade for the roof is not thick enough to fully block the heat

6. Your BYD supports Android Auto or Apple carplay now?

- Apple Carplay is supported over wire, Android Auto wireless support is coming. But I dont use any of these, because the screen itself is an android tablet, so I hacked it to install all the available apps on Google Play Store

7. Does your car come with different charger head?

- Not sure what this question means, but it comes with 3-pin charging adapter and a V2L socket

8. BYD Atto 3 comes with built in dashcam right? Front and back?

- Yes, but front only, and it doesn't record audio

9. I find the yearly servicing a bit redundant considering Tesla does not require it. Seems like the local dealers' way to make more money. If we skip the servicing, will it void the warranty?

- Unfortunately yes


10. Lastly can your BYD car use Tesla charging station when it is built in the future?

- Tesla shares the same charging port connector, however its up to Tesla to allow or disallow other brands of EV to charge at their stations. Malaysia government has already setup a rule for Tesla to open a certain percentage (no need all) of their Tesla charging stations for other brands EV.


And BYD has open showroom and service at Johor



Showroom
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SNGjgMc4y7p8e2gs6

Service
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dYRjYUNKcCdVfcJN7

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TSBoy96
post Jul 3 2023, 11:23 PM

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Real world energy consumption

Trying out ๐…๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐จ ๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฅ charging method.

Arrived home at exactly 50% SOC. Had reset the trip computer previously when it was charged fully. At 50% battery, the car had travelled 164.5 km.

Condition

- 100% City drive
- Aircon in comfort mode, temperature set to 24ยฐC and fan speed at 2-3
- Regen mode in Standard, Driving mode Normal
- Tyre pressure set to recommended 260kPa cold
- Drive like setan like I usually do on my petrol car

Upon full charge back to 100%, wallbox app indicates that the car had taken in ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ“.๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ– ๐ค๐–๐ก .

164.5km รท 35.48 kWh = 4.636 km/kWh = ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ.๐Ÿ“๐Ÿ• ๐ค๐–๐ก/๐Ÿ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ค๐ฆ.

Due to energy loss during charging, hence why the BYD screen only shows 15.5kWh/100km. But cost wise, its better to calculate based on the full to full method since this is the amount we pay towards our TNB bill.

If calculated in comparison to rm2.05 ron95 fuel, this is equivalent to 6 liters/100km or 16.6 KM/L.

Unrelated Fun Fact: ChatGPT/Google Bard mentions that in 1 Liter of Petrol is roughly energy equivalent to 9 kWh of electricity . So to achieve a price parity of RM2.05/Liter, your electricity price should be RM0.23/kWh

Conclusion: Just plug and charge, no need to worry about all these calculation lah ๐Ÿ˜…

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post Jul 11 2023, 11:20 AM

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My home electricity bill actually drop for this month compared to last month despite charging the car more

The only difference i did was changing one of the room aircond to inverter type

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post Jul 11 2023, 12:19 PM

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For Malaysia, I hope japanese manufacturer continue improving their ICEngine efficiency for at least 10 yrs more

Within these 10 yrs PMX can force manufacturer to build ev charger station at 0 cost for malaysia
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:27 PM

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If calculated in comparison to rm2.05 ron95 fuel, this is equivalent to 6 liters/100km or 16.6 KM/L.


If install solar roof panels, lagi worth it.

However , an equivalent Jepunis car can get 10-15km/L without all the hassle of range anxiety and cost of installing 3 phase electrical wiring and wallbox. That's why EV for now remains out of the mind of many people.
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jul 11 2023, 12:27 PM)

If calculated in comparison to rm2.05 ron95 fuel, this is equivalent to 6 liters/100km or 16.6 KM/L.


If install solar roof panels, lagi worth it.

However , an equivalent Jepunis car can get 10-15km/L without all the hassle of range anxiety and cost of installing 3 phase electrical wiring and wallbox. That's why EV for now remains out of the mind of many people.
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But thats due to my driving style, even driving a regular small hatchback petrol car i struggle to get above 9 km/l, the left and middle lane is just not for me sweat.gif
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:36 PM

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If car break down road side cannot start and totally out of battery. How to engage neutral gear for tow truck?
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(blek @ Jul 11 2023, 12:36 PM)
If car break down road side cannot start and totally out of battery. How to engage neutral gear for tow truck?
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It has a 12v battery like normal car, can jumpstart and put the gear to neutral
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jul 11 2023, 12:38 PM)
It has a 12v battery like normal car, can jumpstart and put the gear to neutral
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Aiseh. So advance. Engineer really thought of every situation.
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jul 11 2023, 12:32 PM)
But thats due to my driving style, even driving a regular small hatchback petrol car i struggle to get above 9 km/l, the left and middle lane is just not for me sweat.gif
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Emergency lane? I heard you always wait your tow truck friend arrive
on emergency lane tongue.gif
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post Jul 12 2023, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(Strike @ Jul 11 2023, 12:19 PM)
For Malaysia, I hope japanese manufacturer continue improving their ICEngine efficiency for at least 10 yrs more

Within these 10 yrs PMX can force manufacturer to build ev charger station at 0 cost for malaysia
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Japan will phase out ICE after 2035.

By 2035 we here probably have 20-30% of ICE
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post Jul 12 2023, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jul 3 2023, 11:23 PM)
Real world energy consumption

Trying out ๐…๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐จ ๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฅ charging method.

Arrived home at exactly 50% SOC. Had reset the trip computer previously when it was charged fully. At 50% battery, the car had travelled 164.5 km.

Condition

- 100% City drive
- Aircon in comfort mode, temperature set to 24ยฐC and fan speed at 2-3
- Regen mode in Standard, Driving mode Normal
- Tyre pressure set to recommended 260kPa cold
- Drive like setan like I usually do on my petrol car

Upon full charge back to 100%, wallbox app indicates that the car had taken in ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ“.๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ– ๐ค๐–๐ก .

164.5km รท 35.48 kWh = 4.636 km/kWh = ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ.๐Ÿ“๐Ÿ• ๐ค๐–๐ก/๐Ÿ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ค๐ฆ.

Due to energy loss during charging, hence why the BYD screen only shows 15.5kWh/100km. But cost wise, its better to calculate based on the full to full method since this is the amount we pay towards our TNB bill.

If calculated in comparison to rm2.05 ron95 fuel, this is equivalent to 6 liters/100km or 16.6 KM/L.

Unrelated Fun Fact: ChatGPT/Google Bard mentions that in 1 Liter of Petrol is roughly energy equivalent to 9 kWh of electricity . So to achieve a price parity of RM2.05/Liter, your electricity price should be RM0.23/kWh

Conclusion: Just plug and charge, no need to worry about all these calculation lah ๐Ÿ˜…
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24deg AC - isnโ€™t that sort of like blowing lukewarm air?
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post Jul 12 2023, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(Chinoz @ Jul 12 2023, 09:00 AM)
24deg AC - isnโ€™t that sort of like blowing lukewarm air?
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I think you don't no how cold is 24ยฐC.
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post Jul 12 2023, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Chinoz @ Jul 12 2023, 09:00 AM)
24deg AC - isnโ€™t that sort of like blowing lukewarm air?
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It's time to send your car for Aircon servicing.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 12 2023, 09:03 AM)
I think you don't no how cold is 24ยฐC.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jul 12 2023, 09:08 AM)
It's time to send your car for Aircon servicing.
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I dunno - even living in 4 seasons country, max I go is 23deg when I drove up to ski resorts.

In summer, itโ€™s usually between Max and 21deg.
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post Jul 12 2023, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Chinoz @ Jul 12 2023, 09:00 AM)
24deg AC - isnโ€™t that sort of like blowing lukewarm air?
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Nope, now i even set the ac to 25ยฐc as its very cold at 24ยฐc. Different cars have different coldness level despite what the temperature reading is

For conti cars i have to set the AC at 21ยฐc to match the coldness of asian cars ac at 24ยฐc
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post Jul 13 2023, 05:07 PM

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Just came back from bangkok. BYD cars are everywhere at least in the sukhumvit area. Much more sense to use an EV there since the traffic jams are no joke.
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post Jul 13 2023, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Jun 19 2023, 12:47 PM)
actually i use CEE industrial plug with Portable Car Charger
RM2000- portable charger
installation
RM400 - my johor house
RM400 - my in law house

So i can move around and charge . from 6A,10A,16A,20A,24A to 32A

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If your house supports 3 Phase you could get the EVGuru 22KW(technically its 23KW because our LTL voltage is 415V) 32A Red CEE 3 Phase plug variant instead, a bump from 7KW to 22KW from just having two extra cables! and the charger is backward compatible with single-phase power so you can still adapt it to CEE Blue and UK plugs.

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https://www.evguru.com.my/product-page/3-ph...le-red-cee-plug

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post Jul 31 2023, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jul 12 2023, 11:48 AM)

For conti cars i have to set the AC at 21ยฐc to match the coldness of asian cars ac at 24ยฐc
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I have a preve
I love my preve as much as you love your suprima

But we both know theyโ€™re are aging vehicles and you have sold off yours and I plan to sell off mine soon

Is an atto a good replacement for the performance we had?

Did you consider an x50? Because I am considering x50 due to the fact I need to travel to East Coast and the perkampungan at West Coast occasionally (balik kampung)

As of now, there is no price that can match the performance of a suprima

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