"Wait, I thought Russia had no reserves"
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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines
News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines
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Jul 4 2023, 09:11 PM
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"Wait, I thought Russia had no reserves"
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Jul 4 2023, 09:19 PM
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well fact is Kyiv is still standing.
also fact is the air attack actually lessen a lot on Kyiv with the use if cruise missiles. another fact is also shaheed drone attack also lessen considerably for the past month. so either russia is stockpiling or their supply is slowing down. now i am not sure which but fact remains Kyiv still stands. QUOTE(judas @ Jul 4 2023, 09:10 PM) |
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Jul 4 2023, 09:24 PM
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Jul 4 2023, 09:25 PM
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Jul 4 2023, 09:28 PM
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Jul 4 2023, 09:33 PM
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actually their doctrine is quite good, even the BTG doctrine is workable, the problem or maybe blessing is the training of the ground troops and/or the top down policy didn't allow their doctrine to be full utilized without effective results.
but yes, they are adapting quite fast. in fact they even adapted the defensive strategy used by Ukrainian at Vulhedar against the counter offensive. QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 4 2023, 09:24 PM) |
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Jul 4 2023, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jul 4 2023, 09:33 PM) actually their doctrine is quite good, even the BTG doctrine is workable, the problem or maybe blessing is the training of the ground troops and/or the top down policy didn't allow their doctrine to be full utilized without effective results. this is a common misconception that soviet doctrine doesnt adapt but yes, they are adapting quite fast. in fact they even adapted the defensive strategy used by Ukrainian at Vulhedar against the counter offensive. read the doctrine thoroughly, nowhere it said to not adapt. in fact like all militaries, the commander have to adapt and improvise to achieve their objective. the only difference is soviet doctrine are more lenient on casualties than NATO's doctrine (obviously due to sheer amount of Soviet troops back then vs NATO's), due to their POV on how warfare is conducted where loss of lives are inevitable as long able to better negotiate the battlefield. their doctrine revolve around committing an assault force to its target and constantly testing the flanks and weak spots, once breakthrough pushing in deep to follow up with another force to target rear and continue pursuit of retreating oppositions without letting them breathe, disregarding own casualties. this is similar to blitzkrieg but an even larger combined arms level way beyond what the world has seen post WW2. those that keep spouting this nonsense are completely fed with hogwash from western propaganda chaosneo liked this post
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Jul 4 2023, 10:57 PM
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Russia Ministry Of Defense Briefing - 4 Jul 2023
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Jul 4 2023, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jul 4 2023, 07:50 PM) actually this is a four pics media, one showing the warhead still intact. Yea.Another one. ![]() |
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Jul 4 2023, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 4 2023, 10:04 PM) this is a common misconception that soviet doctrine doesnt adapt In terms of military strategy, it would be foolish to dismiss the traditions descended from the likes of Suvorov.read the doctrine thoroughly, nowhere it said to not adapt. in fact like all militaries, the commander have to adapt and improvise to achieve their objective. the only difference is soviet doctrine are more lenient on casualties than NATO's doctrine (obviously due to sheer amount of Soviet troops back then vs NATO's), due to their POV on how warfare is conducted where loss of lives are inevitable as long able to better negotiate the battlefield. their doctrine revolve around committing an assault force to its target and constantly testing the flanks and weak spots, once breakthrough pushing in deep to follow up with another force to target rear and continue pursuit of retreating oppositions without letting them breathe, disregarding own casualties. this is similar to blitzkrieg but an even larger combined arms level way beyond what the world has seen post WW2. those that keep spouting this nonsense are completely fed with hogwash from western propaganda Keep in mind the current Russian arm forces =/= Soviet. The current Russian armed forces are objectively inferior not because of doctrine, but because of execution. They can't execute to plan because of a more fundamental weakness in organisational culture and endemic corruption compared to the Ukrainians. They're adapting, just not as fast as the Ukrainians. There is an armed force using the best bits of soviet doctrine, but it's not Russian. chaosneo liked this post
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Jul 4 2023, 11:29 PM
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Nice to see Ukraine trash dead.
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Jul 4 2023, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jul 4 2023, 11:25 PM) In terms of military strategy, it would be foolish to dismiss the traditions descended from the likes of Suvorov. this is also another misconception based on western propaganda on russia's military performance. pointless to debate on this, as how many was done long ago and lets not go into there againKeep in mind the current Russian arm forces =/= Soviet. The current Russian armed forces are objectively inferior not because of doctrine, but because of execution. They can't execute to plan because of a more fundamental weakness in organisational culture and endemic corruption compared to the Ukrainians. They're adapting, just not as fast as the Ukrainians. There is an armed force using the best bits of soviet doctrine, but it's not Russian. youre already making the conclusion in advance then build reasoning around it when in fact its more akin to schrodinger logic, it can be A or B or both. nobody truly knows countingcrows and chaosneo liked this post
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Jul 4 2023, 11:48 PM
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now that i have time to read this, he is actually right by common logic and/or strategically. anyone who refute this actually needs a very strong logic.
russia is an invading army that relies supplies from its homeland, it probably cannot get enough supplies like fuel, food, ammo locally. one way to deprive an invading army is to destroy half the things he listed there. just ammo and fuel alone would render manpower useless in due time. QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 4 2023, 08:35 PM) |
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Jul 5 2023, 01:15 AM
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RU Sniper vs UA Sniper.
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Jul 5 2023, 01:22 AM
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Jul 5 2023, 02:38 AM
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Lancet & artillery ... dynamic duo
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Jul 5 2023, 05:57 AM
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 4 2023, 11:38 PM) this is also another misconception based on western propaganda on russia's military performance. pointless to debate on this, as how many was done long ago and lets not go into there again What Western propaganda? I think it's very clear which side is using its resources more effectively. Numbers don't lie. We can see the progression of the tech tree of both sides and territories exchanged as the conflict progresses and can deduce which side is more combat effective. It's not really a question of strategy or doctrine, but execution.youre already making the conclusion in advance then build reasoning around it when in fact its more akin to schrodinger logic, it can be A or B or both. nobody truly knows |
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Jul 5 2023, 06:07 AM
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jul 5 2023, 01:22 AM) When Russian do this all pro-Ukrainian dudes gleefully screamed 'cope cage!"lol countingcrows and kiasunkiasi liked this post
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Jul 5 2023, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jul 4 2023, 11:48 PM) now that i have time to read this, he is actually right by common logic and/or strategically. anyone who refute this actually needs a very strong logic. You do interdiction operations while you run an offensive, you don't stop an offensive just for the sake of running an interdiction operation. Because then you are only running an interdiction operation.russia is an invading army that relies supplies from its homeland, it probably cannot get enough supplies like fuel, food, ammo locally. one way to deprive an invading army is to destroy half the things he listed there. just ammo and fuel alone would render manpower useless in due time. Aiya if cannot advance anymore in their own big offensive just say so lohh.... No need to be shy This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jul 5 2023, 07:06 AM |
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Jul 5 2023, 08:56 AM
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