We comparing capturing a small tightly-packed urban city to capturing empty fields and a few villages are we now?

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Nothing new on the Zhaporizhia front.

A week passed since the offensive (ostensibly) started and Ukraine is still stuck 15km from even the first Russian defence line.

Bizarrely, Ukraine is also look intent on recapturing Bakhmut

but these are probing attacks...
their priority is just to test defenses and response.

to be honest on all three major fronts they are actually making progress based on just probing, that actually saying a lot.
like...
1. losses may not be as bad as a lot has thought. if losses is bad, probing forward would have stop?
2. just probing and we have seen a lot of destruction on russian sides also.

i don't think the UA did not suffer casualties especially the first wave and loss of a dozen or more vehicles, but so far other than that incident, there doesn't seem to significant more losses as i am very sure russian media will be happily broadcast about it.

This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 15 2023, 11:16 PM

Bakhmut still not fully fortified, thats why Ukrainians are still attacking it

this way can keep the troops there occupied considering Russians are limited by manpower

You mean the small city that is also under attack and now back to being contested? Yes.

Behold

Seeing that these areas are mostly no more than empty fields that's not very reassuring.


This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 15 2023, 11:23 PM

these are mines field, trenches, defensive positions, lookout points, some small towns and its three square kilometers across a long frontline...

but maybe you are righr, russians just let them wander in slowly while giving small token of defensive forces to slow Ukrainians down as well, while the range of himars making its way touching Mariupol.

I still don't understand why pipul put so much stock in small-scale destruction by HIMARS when Russian strategic and tactical air units are bombing Ukraine literally on a daily basis nowadays?

And pls don't tell me u believe in those 'Patriot shot down 99%' nonsense

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 15 2023, 11:36 PM

Probably because when himars came online russia's advance rapidly became stalled was happy to stay where they are, while with russia's strategic bombing they are still losing ground.

Remember that period when russia basically tried to target ukraine's electrical generation for months? Didnt result in capitulation. Either ukrainians are really motivated to get their country back, or theres a disconnect between what russia thinks its doing and what the actual effects are.

I have a video released today, taken by Russian soldiers of many dead Ukrainians after they shelled their position.
Not sure if these vids are allowed.





This post has been edited by countingcrows: Jun 15 2023, 11:59 PM

any offensive will surely take losses but when you put on a grand scale like few thousands of soldiers are operating on the frontlines daily in trying to move forward, i think anyone would think that any less than a hundred casualties would be consider acceptable.

wunderwaffe, nuff said

i am pretty damn sure russian military took it seriously. they had to move their command center and ammo hubs far away out of range. decentralized their logistics and even change how their artillery units array.

just by itself, it wouldn't have made much difference, but with good intel as show throughout the past year and with its precision, it definitely because a game changer that affected the russians badly.

Global Hawk loitering in the Black sea, probably can look forward to some Ukrainian fuckery soon

I agree, it's been quiet the last couple of days but hopefully something big happens soon.

The counter offensive has started but at a level that's akin to probing.
UA has thousands of armored vehicles and a huge army that has still not been unleashed.

If they keep sending these small groups to be wiped out then good luck to them.
It's make or break. They need to send a tsunami to break through RU defenses but yea if they fail it would very likely be game over so I can understand why they are hesitant to commit to an all out attack.

It does affect Russia when Russia was attacking. But now the situation has been reversed. Defending is very very different from attacking.

Ukraine only has a handful of them and it's simply not enough to have much of an effect in an offensive situation. Also, things have changed.. Ukraine doesn't have much left to take down russian lancet drones, let alone russian airforce. Whatever Ukraine and west said, Russia still has hundreds of choppers and planes. There are still at least 300-400 tu95 bombers which Russia didn't deploy to perform carpet bombing of Ukraine. The tu95 only launch cruise missiles...

Russian soldiers chuckling away as the Ukrainian position opposite them is bombarded by artillery

If Ukraine has thousands of armored vehicles and a huge army, they wouldnt need to beg for more weapons and pull more men into army... They already recall people 5 times while Russia only did it once.....

Ukraine is basically has nothing much left and surviving on weapon "donations" from the west. Once the weapons delivery stop, Ukraine will collapse.